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    Real World Data January 2005

    in Total Extreme Wrestling 2016 Mods

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    <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Shift" data-cite="Shift" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42619" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Great to hear! Yeah, doing some research on workers in 2005 is a bit hard to be honest, especially in Japan, but I'll keep looking as well and hopefully by 1.8 the Joshi scene will be a bit larger.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Take a look at a company named "HUSTLE" who was just getting started around that time, plenty of workers to put as free agents and even associated with it.</p>

    [Dev] 9000-verse: Ultra High Definition X

    in Total Extreme Wrestling 2016 Mods

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    <p>In crayon we trust!</p><p>

    Took me a while to see this thread.</p><p> </p><p>

    crayon, if you are reading this, how will be companies in the next update?</p><p>

    With Bleach ending in real life, will it still be top dog in this particular universe?</p><p>

    How about the crazy changes we got on the super hero universe?</p><p> </p><p>

    This mod predates marvel big MCU haha <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

    In fact, something I always liked on the mod is how it's a time capsule of pop culture of the 00's. And the changes, because they take time, dates the mod. But I enjoy that.</p>

    Marvel mod circa 1991

    in Comic Book Hero: The Greatest Cape Mods

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    <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="32612" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Have you read much in the way of Cap or Iron Man comics? Since the relaunch Cap has faced off with Red Skull, Sinn, Crossbones, Dr. Faustus, Arnim Zola, his evil clone from the 1950's... hardly a "who's who" of 'world-ending threats.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He also faced bigger threats. He did both! Just not on his book. His book has a "super spy" feeling that only Brubaker can do. I'm a big fan of his current on going actually.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="32612" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And arguing that Captain America and Thanos should be in the same popularity level is arguing that in terms of gameplay, Cap should be close to equal footing- and history has shown that's just not true. He's not even a threat, one on one, against Thanos or any other heavy hitter. Just from an AI perspective, "iconic" feels totally off. <strong>He won't even get involved in moderate level threats that generally take up most of his solo series, and gets pummeled every time he tries to take on Thanos or Galactus or whoever.</strong></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Now that's the best argument I've seen here so far. The AI won't pair him up with his regular cast of villains, yet he do shows up in world ending threats.</p><p> </p><p> I think for Cap, this means he is the middle of the road popularity wise. What do you think?</p>

    Marvel mod circa 1991

    in Comic Book Hero: The Greatest Cape Mods

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    So you want to make Captain American either iconic or legendary? That could potentially see him go up against a guy like Thanos 1 on 1... that's not right to me.

     

    Maybe the perfect solution is mixing popularity and power when deciding ingame popularity, it's just hard to find a consistent formula for that...

     

    Thanos stats would be so over Cap's that I really don't think he could beat Thanos.

     

    Thanos powers would also dish out way more damage than any Cap damage could ever do, while having more health than Cap and more energy.

     

    Would Cap be utterly useless in that fight? Nope. He probably be even be able to hit a punch or two.

     

    Would he brutally lose it despite being in the same popularity level? Yes.

     

    Just like a Cap vs. Thanos fight would.

     

    The true issue lies within team fights. How about Thanos vs. Thor, Iron Man and Cap? Testing would need to be done by the mod maker to ensure that Thanos has the upper hand. The three can even beat him but it needs to be tough, a "1 out of 10" situation.

     

    This is of course, regular Thanos. A gem powered Thanos would have so many resistances and other dirty atributtes under him I doubt the three would be able to do much even at iconic level.

     

    I hope you understand the point I'm trying to make here: Cap, Iron Man and Thor SHOULD fight world ending threats because that's what they do in events, most of the time.

     

    HOWEVER

     

    You need the context, the era that you are trying to reproduce. In 1991, you would need to read the characters and see if they saw much action against world ending threats and how they were portrait in such events.

     

    In a modern marvel mod I would have pause putting Cap here; Could go either way, however Thor and Iron Man would be a no brainer, mostly because they handled some heavy stuff in several events in this past decade. Iron Man stats wouldn't be too high though. For instance, Iron Man fought the Void, even hit the Void, but got pretty much defeated and it was up to Thor with some power up help from Loki to end the fight.

     

    I think the other point I'm trying to make here is: Popularity isn't -just- power levels. Atributtes and Powers are really important. Popularity should help you pair certain heroes to certain villains.

     

    The counter argument to this is often "Well what about their villains?"

    Most Cap villains would have better atributes and powers than him (MODOK comes to mind) but have less popularity, giving he a big chance to beat them but still be in danger of being defeated.

     

    Just my two cents. This is how I make mods, I try to think as popularity as "match ups".

     

    I've yet to make anyone Iconic in my Cosmic Marvel mod and in my secret mod only one character is Iconic (Dracula).

    Marvel mod circa 1991

    in Comic Book Hero: The Greatest Cape Mods

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    <p>I would have to say that Cap, Iron Man and Thor should all be Iconic.</p><p> </p><p>

    Why? Well they are the guys facing the world ending threats, that's why. And with the exception of Thor their powers wouldn't be able to do much, so they need all the help they can to face the Void or Snake Lord dude from Fear Itself.</p><p> </p><p>

    Now for other heroes being Iconic in the marvel universe...I wouldn't put anyone else in there. They are called "The Big Three" for a reason after all, they should be special.</p>

    Marvel mod circa 1991

    in Comic Book Hero: The Greatest Cape Mods

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    <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KColl" data-cite="KColl" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="32612" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Shrug. i disagree. But hey, no-one has to use my chars.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Honestly, we are using Adam's database as base, the RPG should help you guys visualize the powerlevels, however you need to use the context we are given for balance of the game.</p><p> </p><p> Reed would be probably be close to Reboot.</p>

    Marvel mod circa 1991

    in Comic Book Hero: The Greatest Cape Mods

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    I'm finding it extremely hard to do power levels, anyone have a good grip on that?

     

    Me and Kcoll are using this guideline here:

     

     

    STATS GUIDELINES

     

    Average human = 250.

     

    2* human = 450

     

    Peak human (Black Panther, Captain America) = 600

     

    50 tonner (Ms. Marvel) = 750

     

    100 tonner (Wonder Man, Collusus) = 800

     

    100+ tonner (Hulk, Thor, Sentry etc) 850

     

    Thanos = 900

     

    Celestials, Skyfathers = 950

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