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Just seems a rather prolonged and formal route for something Genadi doesn't seem to want to be involved in. Makes no odds to me, I'm not wanting to use one of the mods for anything I just thought it'd be easier for the community and Genadi to just have a clean break instead of this (in my opinion, unnecessary) gatekeeping that routinely breaks out in petty squabbles. Should be said, I'm not familiar enough with the Mod Squad to know which mods are Genadi's and which are someone else's, as the frontman he's being used as shorthand which is probably unfair but it gets the point across.

Apologies in advance for anyone who thinks this is an actually useful update, it's not! I've been waylaid with other projects which haven't left me much time to do this, although I'd like to finish it one day. I have removed the "ALPHA" from the thread title, simply because I think it put some people off despite actually being very playable. If it did, give it a go! I've never been asked about this so I've never needed to post about it, but this mod is freeware. It isn't abandonware in the sense that I'm still here and will work on it one day, but if I ever vanish you don't have to wait three years before picking it up. It was always going to be freeware but I was going to make more of a thing about it when the mod was actually finished (or as close to finished as possible) then people don't start something and need to duplicate any work I do to fix/add to the current mod. However, given that I'm pretty far from being able to do anything substantial I'm offering this out now. It took a while so credit would be nice (better still, call your mod Wrestling Timelines: YEAR and we can have a series!), but it's not as if I'm not going to go and check. If anyone does make a start on a mod and has any questions about how this was put together or just wants to say hello, feel free to drop me a PM.

This is genuine curiosity and not a desire to stir anything up, but if Genadi no longer wants anything to do with this forum or TEW, why does he care whether someone converts and updates one of the old TEW2016 mods? It's hardly stepping on his toes, and if people can get "permission" from him just by messaging him on Discord, why not just allow it to anyone provided that credit is given? Surely that's going to be a lot easier for everyone involved?

No problem, Pat. If you get to the point you get FTD working in 2020 feel free to "release" it on the forum; it's unlikely I'll ever get the chance to do it again and we've brought some of it across into the ThunderVerse canon as well which would only confuse me! If @Big Roguey is happy to send over the files that'll save me looking for them

There have been hundreds, if not thousands, of hours put into creating the images for the ThunderVerse (there are 3,159 worker pictures in the pic file I have to hand and there have been plenty more that have been cut). A number of people have spent a considerable amount of their limited free time to create them, not even beginning to think about the amount of money spent on Daz3D content. The project has brought together a group of people who have worked on this for years (I started it more than 12 years ago!). Are the images dated? It's a matter of opinion. Some are, but the majority look as good as the renders coming out today just in a different style. I have always found the style to be consistent and of a high quality, but I'm not daft enough to think everyone likes them. Are there not enough alts? I started on this forum as an alt-maker using the likes of GIMP to make things like a Vader mask for Dread or masked alts for random workers. TVerse alting is significantly easier than Cverse, because the pose and sizing is consistent. If people want to have more alts, learning to do so is an incredibly fun (and relatively easy) thing to do. Will the ThunderVerse pic file ever change? It depends how long the project continues for, and how long TEW continues to appeal to players, but it won't be done by AI. If someone has the time and desire to create 3,159 AI images of ThunderVerse workers then I would question why they're not just making their own universe. I personally don't want to see a ThunderVerse AI thread, but as @Big Roguey said, we can't stop anyone from doing it. It won't get any support from us though, and even if someone found the time to redo 100% of the images, they won't get included as an official ThunderVerse add-on. This also seems as good a place as any to say don't use our images for training AI or for creating new renders by AI in-filling.

Perfectly put. That's the exact same reasoning I use.

I'm far too busy to do a diary at the minute but I'm enjoying this game too much not to share. I've just held Bash at the Beach 2001 which was a big success for me (although not actually my best ever show). I opted to hold both Big Bang and Great American Bash before I debuted Defiance (a 1 hour show on Saturday night on USA Network). Big Bang (in Greensboro, where else!) was, as you would expect, intended to relaunch the company under Shane. There were two "major" debuts on the show, both in the same segment; Buff Bagwell made an open challenge which was answered by Road Warrior Animal. Bagwell won after interference from a masked man which turned out to be BG James. I reformed Team Canada with Lance Storm (who unsuccessfully challenged Booker for the World title), Mike Awesome and Elix Skipper (who teamed to lose to Chuck Palumbo & Sean O'Haire). Major Gunns is back as their valet although she now appears as Tylene. I've "borrowed" (ahem) MrCanada's idea of having DDP as an announcer being taunted by Kanyon; Kanyon is claiming that DDP is a stooge who'd do anything a McMahon told him to do. As is often the case with these games, Booker vacated the US title at the Big Bang too. Great American Bash (in Las Vegas) saw a "tournament" to crown a new United States champion. In reality, it was two four-way contests and a singles match because I didn't want the whole show to be a tournament. Billy Kidman defeated Chavo, Disco Inferno and Reno to win his spot in the final, while Shawn Stasiak beat Sonny Siaki, Mark Jindrak and Johnny the Bull. Kidman won the final to become the new champion. Buff and BG James challenged Palumbo & O'Haire for the tag titles but it ended in a double count out after they brawled to the back. It is 2001 after all. Booker T retained his title again against Lance Storm, Mike Awesome and Road Warrior Animal who was put in the match after he came to the defence of Booker T earlier in the show. Kanyon continued mocking DDP but isn't getting a rise out of him yet. Defiance debuted on Saturday Week 3 of June (I moved some of the PPV dates around). With it only being an hour long it's quite tight for time, but I'm getting decent ratings all the same. The first episode was the "big" one, which saw Billy Kidman retain the US title against Buff Bagwell after the referee saw BG James interfering and disqualified the heels. Shane Helms beat the returning Crowbar in a non-title match, only for Chavo to demand a shot at Bash at the Beach. Mike Sanders tried to convinced Shane McMahon to make him the WCW General Manager, and Team Canada (Storm & Awesome) beat Booker T and Animal in a cage match. The next couple of episodes continued to built on this, with Team Canada focusing on Animal and Booker, Kanyon taunting DDP and Buff Bagwell and BG James stating that they are building an army (meant to be a not so subtle hint they are forming a DX style stable). Mike Sanders managed to convince Shane McMahon to hire a GM, but it wasn't him...instead it was Vince Russo who debuted on episode 3. I'm not a Russo fan, but it felt like a real Shane McMahon 2001 WCW move so I went with it! That third episode took place in Houston, mainly because I wanted a Booker T vs Lance Storm match to be called the Last Chance Saloon and it made sense to be in Texas. If Lance Storm lost then he wouldn't get another shot at Booker while he was champion. Russo interfered in that match to cost Storm the match and keep the belt on Booker. Russo revealed he wasn't on Booker's side, however, and it was all so that he could put the belt on his own champion at the Bash at the Beach. Earlier in the show BG James and Buff Bagwell had been seen playing nice with Russo so it looked like it was going to be one of them. It wasn't; on the next episode the show opened with a limo pulling up (again, it's 2001) and Russo exited with James, Bagwell and...Curt Hennig. Hennig would be Booker's challenger for Bash at the Beach. Russo told Team Canada that his actions to cost Storm the title weren't personal and offered them a tag title shot at BatB instead. He also promised Storm the first title shot at Curt Hennig when he won the belt. Shawn Stasiak and Stacy Keibler have become an it couple who spend each week deriding someone on the roster (usually Paisley who is acting as backstage interviewer). Elix Skipper beat Hugh Morrus, Lash LeRoux and Mark Jindrak to become the #1 contender to Billy Kidman's US title, meaning at the Bash everyone from Team Canada had a title shot. Here's Bash at the Beach: WCW BASH AT THE BEACH 2001 | Sunday, Wk 2 July 2001 Held in Miami, FL in front of 9,952 fans [PPV Buy Rating: 2.86] [Rating: 72] Announce Team: Scott Hudson, Arn Anderson & Diamond Dallas Page Officials: Nick Patrick, Billy Silverman and Charles Robinson QUICK RESULTS Vince Russo, Curt Hennig, BG James and Buff Bagwell arrive at the arena [57] Disco Inferno def. Psychosis, Kwee Wee and AJ Styles [52] BG James & Buff Bagwell def. Hugh Morrus & Lash LeRoux [51] Team Canada – Lance Storm, Mike Awesome, Elix Skipper and Tylene – are interviewed by Paisley. They say that they’ll be bringing the US and Tag titles back to Canada with them. [42] WCW Cruiserweight Championship Ladder Match: Shane Helms © def. Chavo Guerrero [61] WCW United States Championship: Billy Kidman © def. Elix Skipper [60] WCW’s “It Couple” Stacy Keibler and Shawn Stasiak are interviewed by Paisley [54] WCW World Tag Team Championship: Team Canada (Mike Awesome & Lance Storm) def. Chuck Palumbo & Sean O’Haire © [68] Booker T talks to Paisley about his match with Curt Hennig and promises he’ll not let Vince Russo screw him over [78] Kanyon def. Road Warrior Animal [71] Kanyon stands over Road Warrior Animal and continues his taunting of Diamond Dallas Page. [77] Paisley interviews Shane McMahon and asks about the situation with Vince Russo. McMahon says that he hired a General Manager to run the show and that he’s going to let him continue to do that. He’s seen nothing that requires him to change that approach but he will if he needs to. [76] WCW World Championship: Booker T (w/Road Warrior Animal) © def. Curt Hennig (w/Vince Russo) [72] I'm super-excited for Crowd Control which I'm making into a sort of Uncensored/Extreme Rules type affair, although it's still relatively tame as I'm choosing to transition on-screen quite slowly from the WCW's real product to the Ruthless Aggression product that the promotion starts with in-game. I'm holding the event in New York this year, although next year I might hold it in Philadelphia and have some sort of ECW thing going on. Because I've got Vince Russo on the roster I'm taking some elements of early NWA:TNA as well into my game. Russo's stable with Hennig, James and Bagwell will probably end up being called Sports Entertainment Xtreme (it's a dreadful name but it's very fitting of the era). I've also hired James Mitchell, Crowbar and Slash so I'll be booking the Disciples of the New Church when Malice gets back from rehab. I'm also adding Reno into the group because he needs something to do and has the right look for them. They're just working dark show matches at the minute. I'm also going to very, very slowly build up AJ Styles, Chris Harris and James Storm. As I mentioned above, I really like the realism of this mod (I find it very jarring to see 99 rated CM Punk vs Bryan Danielson main events at Starrcade 2001!), so I'm trying to stick roughly to the timeframes they started to stand out in real life. I'm going to switch up the announce team before Crowd Control as well; Scott Hudson is fine but Arn Anderson isn't the world's best colour commentator. I didn't want to replace him straight away and felt it more realistic to give him a few shows to "prove himself". I've hired Mike Tenay and Don West (again, due to the RL link with Russo) and they'll continue partnering with DDP until he gets back into the ring to beat Kanyon at Fall Brawl. Scott Hudson will have a Gene Okerlund style Control Centre segment I think, because it was always such a great idea that should carry on (and because USA Network wouldn't let me have a B-Show). I've actually risen to Medium following Bash at the Beach (I'd dropped the starting pop before the game) so I might be allowed a B-Show but I think I'll wait until after Crowd Control as it feels a bit more realistic given they've already turned me down once.

I've played a lot of "WCW Survives" mods over the years, because I find that when playing real world mods it helps to have a big point of divergence or I tend to stick to real life too much and then get bored. This is by far and away the best of these mods I've ever played; it's extremely fun to play, it's realistic and it's balanced. I admit I was slightly unsure at first on Shane running WCW but now I've started playing it works so well. I think a lot of that is the way you've built the roster (and the absences for the other WCW talent) that it makes sense for the timeframe, works with Shane's personality and still feels like WCW is a separate entity. Plus, you've also made the mod in a way that a player can easily pick Jerry Jarrett or Eric Bischoff (or whoever) as a user character and take over without it having any impact on the game (no pesky working relationships or a roster full of WWF loans for example) which is excellent. I also like that you can legitimately run WCW as, well, WCW. Often in the past these mods have relied upon you hiring people that have never worked for WCW because the original roster is so nerfed. My biggest debuts so far have been BG James and Road Warrior Animal, everyone else I've hired (not many to be fair) are at Unimportant and I'm still pulling solid shows. I did drop the US starting pop of WCW slightly to lower their attendance; I dropped it to 55 in Mid Atlantic and South East and 45 everywhere else which was too big of a drop I think (particularly as I then had to cheat to get USA Network to pick up my 1hr show!), but I'm having too much fun to care. I'm one episode of Defiance (apparently one of the names considered for the WWF's WCW show) away from Bash at the Beach and have ideas all the way through to Starrcade and beyond. Excellent stuff @MrCanada!

He wrestled as Bronco in the UWA as part of Los Diabolicos with Rocky Santana and Romano Garcia.

Yes, that's it exactly.

Well spotted. Fixed those for the next update. I've also set Capital Combat to take place in Washington DC.

Alpha Version 3.00 is uploaded to MediaFire. The link is located in post #2. The change list since Alpha 2.00 is below (although it doesn't include the new promotions or workers of which there are a number): I've also just noticed that I changed the IWA PR logo filename and forgot to update it in TEW. Either assign it (IWA PR.jpg) to the company before starting a game (or in the in-game editor) or rename the file IWA.jpg and it'll be picked up automatically.

I was referring to TV show logos (like the logo for Superstars). The broadcaster logos have indeed been changed over time (although I kept the same border).

Good news is that the logos are pretty much done. Bad news is that I'd forgotten that I hadn't set the new companies' products and owners yet though so there will be a slight delay but only until tomorrow (all being well!).

At the minute I'm doing logos for the new promotions as they were when they debuted. The plan is then to get back to finishing off the current workers and the future worker adding. I'll do logo "agers" at some point.