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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm just going to draw a line right here.... you're wrong, you've been shown to be wrong and you refuse to listen to what anyone else is saying despite clearly explaining mechanics and why you're wrong.<p> </p><p> So at this point, the discussion is over and if it is continued I will consider it to be deliberate baiting, trolling or deliberately attempting to spread misinformtion about the games since it's been explained how the game mechanics of both TEW16 and TEW20 take into account the very sitations you say they can't.</p><p> </p><p> Feel free to complain to me about this via PM, but be aware that continuing this discussion will lead to warning and the potential removal of posting privileges. If this seems harsh, it's because it's happened many times before and I don't want to see this behavious continuing in future.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Translation “I didnt prove you wrong at all, did not back up anything I said with evidence but because I’m a mod I will take away your posting privileges for disagreeing with me or providing negative feedback about the new game”</p><p> </p><p> Your “evidence” was baseless conjecture regarding non like for like real life scenarios, which I disputed and then the response to my dispute was (you are trolling and I’m going to ban you) the second evidence was a suggestion that throughly misunderstands the popularity mechanics of TEW, at least to date, by suggesting that people gain way more overness than <strong>is easily verifiable by actually playing the game</strong> . No you do not not gain 3 overness per TV show. This is empirically incorrect and saying otherwise from a position of “authority” does not make it so.</p><p> </p><p> Yes, very interesting. I do appreciate your on brand support for long time paying customers.</p><p> </p><p> I guess the benefit of being a small independent is you can just censor people when they provide constructive criticism.</p><p> </p><p> Protip: Since you’ve actually PMd me before about the horrible acts of arguing civiliy on an internet forrum(the horror!) have you considered the logical response which is to simply stop insisting you are right and trying to get the last word in, especially when you directly responded to someone who was not attempting to argue with someone, nor provided a sufficient argument in the first place.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> As a note, you’ve also gone into my DMs and told me I was trolling because I disliked the current product and was flamed by a group of people who stooged to the mods about me for the horrible crime of saying that the modern wrestlers are too small and lack promo skills. I know having an opinion that is common among the legion of lapsed fans but is deplorable to the Internet forum goers is again, a horrible, heinous act, but I’m starting to see a pattern here, and it’s not involving me. </p><p> In fairness, I used a swear word in one of the posts which is against the rules, and deserves a warning for that, however I did not appreciate being called a troll for having a non popular opinion.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I treat people respectfully, don’t insult people and yet at multiple times harassed by you in particular because I disagree with people. I simply have no patience for this.</p>

Except he empirically drew more money than Seth rollins, on a weaker brand. So which is it? Is Seth Rollins a midcarder as well? And if we aren’t going with, Seth Rollins is a midcarder in terms of perception, then why did Jinde, despite not being perceived as a major star, fail to hurt WWEs bottom line? As stated before, there is nothing to suggest that Jinder was a commercial flop, only that he didn’t really boatload the Indian market like he was supposed to, and thus the WWE had no further use for him as a guy like that with a gimmick like that would never move merch. And if we are coming to the conclusion that Jinder was overpushed yet failed to damage the compnaies bottom line, why are we still defending TEWs completely drummed up and forced overuse penalties which for all intents and purposes directly impact the company bottom line as the game is essentially about show grades? Humorously, the two real life examples people used to try to discredit me only proved my point. Both the Brock Lesnar push and now the Jinder Mahal push can not be accurately reflected in TEW any longer even though it works just fine in all previous versions.

Also the biggest problem is that Jinder was actually a very good heel champion but because the company has no real babyfaces to take advantage of it he was wasted. Brock is basically a heel and has been no better than a Tweener, same with the Fiend, the issue is the company has failed to get over babyfaces due to a dirge in charisma of top stars recently(except the current champion who they already ruined his first gimmick). Basically guys like Jinder and Corbin are there to make the babyfaces look good, the issue is they only had Styles and Styles wasn't going to be elevated from a feud with Jinder, he was already an established guy who had essentially plateaued. The idea that "Jinder was a bad champion" and especially for all these silly TEW mechanic related things isn't backed by anything solid other than he was boring. One hes a boring wrestler period, two he was this way at least partially by design, because he was an actual heel and not one of these tweeners who spend half the time trying to pop the crowd.

Jinder was a bigger draw than Seth Rollins. The funny thing about this whenever it comes to TEW is people always like to conflate real life scenarios which are much more complex and nuance toa booking simulation and put whatever spin they want to push their narrative. Jinder wasn’t even a commercial flop, he was a critical flop. No one wanted to see him wrestle because he was still boring and sloppy. He also didn’t really resonate with Indian audiences the way they had hoped, like Khali did, probably due to the way he was presented.

I personally don’t think his jobber past was the issue, Jinder is just really bad in the ring and had no real charisma. Hell, he really had nothing going for him other than muscles, size and being No this is not a good example. Jinders perception or popularity was completely irrelevant, he stopped being used because he has poor skills. Having poor skills means bad grades, bad grades means bad shows. Guess what? That means TEW as a simulation works perfectly without arbitrary nonsense enforcing more stringent booking limitations.

Yes I agree with you entirely, he should’ve been autopushed to midcarder but WWE pushed him as a Main Eventer. Sort of like how I just described in my push with Anders Thunder which was done almost the same exact way. My problem is now you cannot do that. I don’t think people understand how large the overuse penalties are on show grades, they are ridiculous. Sometimes 5-6 points for one worker. As for Derek, there’s absolutely no way those numbers are even in the ballpark, you are not gaining 3 overness per match on TV. You will gain 1 at best and usually less than 1 unless your SQ is massive(so Brock may apply) . You are probably talking mid 50s to low 60s by SummerSlam in TEW and that’s only because he’ll got to 35 or so by default.

First of all TEW has never been an accurate simulation of real life in almost any facet and it never will be because doing is impossible, especially in a world like wrestling. SI has failed to acccurately portray reality in Football Manager for over a decade despite having a huge budget compared to most. I play it quite often and the lack of realism makes a better gaming experience Second, it isn’t at all how real life works, as in real life, workers generally gain popularity much faster than they do in TEW with a big enough push. Brock would’ve been likely no better than a midcarder with exact mirror booking of his run up until SummerSlam with The Rock, especially given his win over Hulk Hogan on TV like 4 months into his WWE was on Smackdown which probably gains you like 2 overness because it’s on TV and not a prestigious annual event. Thirdly, the fans “accepting” anything is irrelevant, the game has nothing to do with fans, it’s rated in grades. Grades are earned through a combination of skills and popularity relative to popularity. Ergo, if you had a star worker capable of grading better than his popularity would suggest, it made sense to give him a higher push. Now the game arbitrarily tells you this guy isn’t popular enough and your show sucks despite getting good grades.

I don’t believe the WWE has had a figurehead since Cena.

Moreover, the MAIN away I enjoy playing TEW at least in most years is taking new guys that aren’t the same boring cookie cutter prospects or wrestlers and making stars out of them. In my PSW game I’ve posfed screenshots of multiple times in the past, I made Cult and one my biggest stars in the company was the organically pushed Anders Thunder, who through some insane steroid aided RNG improved his star quality from the 70s to 84, and then an additional 10 (i believe the max) on a weight gain, which meant I had an awesome game with a 94 SQ 90 overness Anders Thunder, a guy so obscure that his only usage in any diary on site is the intentional joke promotion Oddworld which intentionally uses crappy workers for narrative purposes. Anders of course starts with almost no popularity, I gave him a monster push after about 4-5 months of jobbing in a tag team to get his skills acceptable, once I did that, I have him both the World title and a Main event push when his National overness was 55 and he was still autopished as a Midcarder? Why? So I could use him in angles 2-3 times an event with a match so I could shoot his overnesss up. In less than a year he was 90 across the US. Now I can’t do that because I will get gimped for overuse because his popularity is too low to be seen as a major star. Also notable, the only reason this even worked was because Anders himself had the skills to be rated on Entertainment to receive maximum popularity gains through A rated angles with other big stars, because of the bonuses he recovers due to his massive star quality and average-ish entertainment skills. It’s not like I could’ve given the same push to The Minor Annoyance or Riley McMannus and it would’ve worked.

If it works like TEW2016 and you get like 5-6 point deductions on show rating for a single worker being overused it absolutely does not open up your booking. I literally constantly use the push system in 2016 solely to avoid these penalties, because I literally can’t book a guy like Ali for example in a 15 minute match with a top guy if he’s on a lower midcard or opener push. Or I can’t use a guy in a stable beatdown angle and also wrestle a match just because he’s an opener or enhancement talent. Now we have no way of getting around this and are forced to use over acts to keep the show ratings afloat.

That’s pretty rank. It basically invalidates things like the Sheamus push. I don’t even get why Push system was removed. A workers perception to the public has absolutely nothing to do with their perception in the company. All this does is make the process of pushing workers you want over way slower and technically arduous for no reason.

NJPW has a gigantic roster, I would address this first. Secondly you need to run more live events in large venues. Instead of running a bunch of small shows(these lose money) and one big show, try running 4 or 5 big shows a month, you’ll make money then.

Something I just thought about If Pushes are now totally gone and only perception matters, are there still overuse penalties and those huge penalties for using “two jobbers on the show” because that wouldn’t make any sense if the push system is removed. Any artificial penalties related to push almost have to be removed entirely now.

Age will do that In 4 he had one of the craziest runs in my mega company I had seen since WMMA3 Buddy Garner. Although for fun I’m doing a 1990 game in 5 so everyone comes into the game mostly in their prime.

Does anyone have any tips on speeding up diary writing/shows? I remember when I tried for a bit it took me like an hour to get one show done. I’m definitely wanting to try at least one dairy for 2020, I’ve tried 2016 but the stagnant feel of the game world and national battle system always kill my long term motivation. Overall 2020 I can probably maybe find a way to play TEW the way I want to, which is a dynamic, ever evolving long term gameworld that plays out differently every time you boot it up(2016 is literally the antithesis of this, more than any other single entry in the series due to the way National Battles ruined a huge part of the game) All that being said, if I’m going to do a 3 or so year diary I’m going to need a way to efficiently write up all the shows.