Winged Hussar

I'm currently playing as ROH and have done a brand split to make WOH its own brand and would like more titles for it. Would anyone be able to whip up a custom WOH Tag and WOH TV championships on this background? http://oi172.photobucket.com/albums/w15/TheWho87EWR/Backgrounds/EOAE_Belt_Base.jpg Placed diagonally to match this Much thanks

Alright. Just sent it to you then.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="southside_hitmen" data-cite="southside_hitmen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45652" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, as far as company x or y not being included it really comes down to a few things:<p> </p><p> 1) <strong>Necessity</strong> - Is this company needed in the mod due to a certain niche they fill? Is it an area under-represented right now that workers could use an extra promotion so they progress in stats?</p><p> </p><p> 2) <strong>Draw</strong> - Do they actually hold shows often and draw respectable numbers in doing so?</p><p> </p><p> 3) <strong>Time</strong> - Each company to add is a minimum of 4-5 hours of effort researching the product, getting accurate match type ratios over the past 2 years, looking at how they drew over the past 2 years to set popularity + many hours more if I have to add a bunch of new workers to fill out the company.</p><p> </p><p> Right now, I have a short list of companies I would like to add to the mod at a future date (not for this release, or likely the next one, as I'm in a new role at work and it is CRAZY right now limiting my mod time)</p><p> </p><p> Michinoku Pro</p><p> K-DOJO</p><p> Ice Ribbon</p><p> FREEDOMS</p><p> </p><p> (All of the above ran over 30 shows last year, draw 700+ for their big shows, and topped 1k in their biggest shows for attendance)</p><p> </p><p> Marvelous</p><p> Defiant (UK) - Probably the next company I will actually add</p><p> Mexico/Australia/Euro regional companies</p><p> </p><p> (These ones would be to fill out the regional scenes better in their respective areas, so people in the mod can work and gain stats)</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Best of luck with the Australian regional scenes but I think its going to be very hard to do in TEW for a few reasons. Firstly the biggest promotions here draw significantly fewer fans than many US based feds that would not even be considered for inclusion. Secondly the way TEW divides the Australia region with Western, Central and Eastern is a little strange geographically when trying to capture each region's wrestling scene. If they wanted to bundle it into three I would personally think West, North-East and South-East would probably make more sense in terms of territory but that's just me. Finally no promotion really stands out if you want 2-5 Australian promotions in the data-set. Once you add the 2nd or 3rd it becomes hard to justify not adding all 14 because they are sort of all on the same level and it becomes a case of "why did you choose this one over that one?" type of deal.</p><p> </p><p> One suggestion I could possibly make if your goal was to keep the number of promotions down might be to perhaps bundle a few of the promotions from each region that have a good working relationship with one another and then use their different promotion logos as brands or different show events etc. Although its not ideal it could be justified as many of the promoters here use the same talent anyway and have a working relationship with one another. </p><p> </p><p> If you need pictures of anything in the Australia region let me know. I have a half finished mod that I was making as a booster to Fleish's original mod that I sort of abandon. However I completed all the graphics of promotions and every Aussie workers so they are yours if you want them and you are free to cherry pick.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I just got a little tired of being asked "Why don't you add to the Australian scene" well now people know. I know nothing about the scene! It was added so I got some peace. If someone wants to work on it themselves I'll update it but for now it will have to stay the ballsed up mess it currently is.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If you're willing to do that it would be great, thanks. I'll add it and give full credit to you. It's just one of those "I live in the UK" excuses I know, but honestly, without paying out for promotions online services (which would bankrupt me!) and giving up my day job to get time to watch I've not really any way of seeing a lot of these promotions..</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There really is not any wrestling promotion here worth watching for anyone who lives in the UK or USA.</p><p> </p><p> Anyway this is in its very early stages. I'll try to get it finished and to you before your August update.</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#FF0000;">AUSTRALIA REGION BOOSTER PACK FOR FLEISCH (Early Alpha)</span></p><p> DATA: <a href="https://uploadfiles.io/ths9z" rel="external nofollow">https://uploadfiles.io/ths9z</a></p><p> PEOPLE AND PICTURES: <a href="https://uploadfiles.io/in8mz" rel="external nofollow">https://uploadfiles.io/in8mz</a></p><p> </p><p> I still need to do everyone's stats and information. This is more a blueprint than anything else so others from Australia can look at it now and give suggestions earlier rather than later on (It is not currently playable as everyone's stats are currently at 0)</p><p> </p><p> People Pictures: 100%</p><p> Company Logos: 100%</p><p> Company Contracts: 95% (Just need to add some owners/refs etc to some)</p><p> Belt Pictures: 20%</p><p> Wrestler Info: 0%</p><p> Wrestler Stats: 0%</p><p> Company Info: 0%</p><p> Relationship: 0%</p><p> </p><p> I'm surprised that there are a few Australians in this forum so if anyone wanted to give this blueprint a quick look and let me know if there are any wrestlers I missed that should be included or anything else before I go into greater detail on each individual character now is the time to let me know. Some of the character cuts are currently a little half-arsed because I think its very likely a good number of them might be cut in the final version. </p><p> </p><p> Feel free to suggest anything though as I think this might be the most complete Australia region when its finished however understand I'm also trying to keep the total number of companies in the region as low as possible while still capturing the fun of the Australian scene. There is kind of an over-saturation of crappy wrestling promotions in Australia that all sort of get in each other's way while also kind of helping each other at the same time. Its weird but should be fun for TEW.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TheCed" data-cite="TheCed" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41793" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hell no. WWE sucks in real life and it's totally realistic that their shows have bad ratings. There is only a handful of good WWE guys nowadays.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think part of the problem is the whole 'match rating' thing in real life has been bastardized in 2018 to the point that its very hard for mod makers to capture what a match rating should actually be now. The new fans regard NXT matches as having high match ratings yet none of those matches from a business point of view would ever draw money and make anyone other than a wrestling fanatic want to start watching the product.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>RWC--- SEAdLNNNG have been added to the data. I've updated Impact a bit too (feel dirty). There is so much still to do in terms of stat updates but honestly I can't be arsed going through everyone's stats. I've downgraded a lot of women's sex appeal but it was so boring I gave up part way through. I've probably done 50% of them. We can now all walk with Elias as he has had a slight stat boost (and bio update). Arkangel and Universo 2000 are set to deceased. Titles are up to date (for those cagematch has listed). Other odds n sods have been done too.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I feel you. Assigning stats to so many characters is incredibly boring, especially when its with wrestlers or a company you never intend to play as. If you get a chance I vaguely remember some of the women having crazy athletic stats. I think Charlotte Flair was up at 98 or something crazy when I checked but I might be wrong.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Only problem with 205 as a separate brand is the AI doesn't book it properly and you end up with half the roster going to Raw/Smackdown and non-cruierweights moving to 205 Live. It turns messy very quickly. Everything is in the game for the player to make the 205 brand themselves if they want in just a couple of minutes.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't think its possible for the AI to ever book 205 correctly so I think you made the right call. Sometimes for good performers in lower companies or brands it can work to give them good stats but then assign their starting popularity about 20 points lower than what it really should be so the worker stays in the lower brand or promotion longer instead of moving straight up as soon as the game starts. If their in ring stats are good they'll always be appealing to sign/push anyway and boosting their popularity can be part of the fun.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Cult3" data-cite="Cult3" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41308" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Can I please get these<p> <a href="https://i.imgur.com/Rl62FOq.png" rel="external nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/Rl62FOq.png</a></p><p> <a href="https://i.imgur.com/7xKQnmv.png" rel="external nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/7xKQnmv.png</a></p><p> <a href="https://i.imgur.com/XMMucwy.png" rel="external nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/XMMucwy.png</a></p><p> <a href="https://i.imgur.com/3PnyLxN.png" rel="external nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/3PnyLxN.png</a></p><p> </p><p> on this </p><p> <a href="http://i65.tinypic.com/2jaaipx.jpg" rel="external nofollow">http://i65.tinypic.com/2jaaipx.jpg</a></p><p> </p><p> Thank you</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <img alt="r6HpRAe.jpg" data-src="https://i.imgur.com/r6HpRAe.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> <img alt="JA2zOGs.jpg" data-src="https://i.imgur.com/JA2zOGs.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> <img alt="eMI5FkC.jpg" data-src="https://i.imgur.com/eMI5FkC.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> <img alt="nvFKEva.jpg" data-src="https://i.imgur.com/nvFKEva.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alpha2117" data-cite="alpha2117" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not denigrating them or the quality of the workers or product - any company based in WA is automatically going to struggle to get much attention outside of that area. Perth is the most isolated Major City on earth (furthest from the next major city) which means it's talent doesn't get as much exposure in the rest of the region. The RCW, MCW, PWA people do appear in the other areas and IPW tried to get a spinoff going up on the Gold Coast (not sure if it's still going) and people like Evie appeared in the East Coast promotions pretty regularly. AWF of course had a TV show (Aurora is still a channel ... well barely) so they have some awareness across the region that general fans may know. Some workers from WA do travel East and work shows but it's a long way to go unless you've got some other work or a ton of bookings.<p> </p><p> The problem with Progress's service is of course most people here (Australia) know pretty much nada about Progress meaning that people aren't going to hunt it down. It's all WWE in terms of coverage, NJPW toured earlier this year, IMPCT used to have shows on TV but not for quite a while now, sadly no ROH coverage ever. The hardcore base may know Progress and therefore know how to access EPW coverage but general wrestling fans probably don't. We know more about the scene in other areas because we are clearly hardcore enough to buy a wrestling game but a general fan is going to see the saturation WWE coverage and probably be satisfied with either the FOX coverage or the WWE Network or the cut-down shows that 9 shows on one of it's channels. I have no idea what the purchase rates of any of the non E subscriptions services but I cant imagine we are talking large numbers of people.</p><p> </p><p> Like I said the largest fed in Australasia would be lucky to be a small regional and to be honest I'm not even sure any of them are that large. I wish it was different. I wish Lucha Underground, ROH, New Japan etc got their shows on Australian TV but right at the moment it's sadly not the case.</p><p> </p><p> Now in new that effects the mod itself</p><p> [/color]</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree. I'd even take it further and say no Australian company is even regional level. In my opinion most are small or even local in size.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We get it. You "walk with Elias". Winged Hussar is giving me constructive criticism, which is helpful, you are just moaning Elias "is underrated while not providing me with any info regarding how good you feel he should be. For the record Elias stats are based off when he was in NXT and I've not had time to update him. What stats do you suggest? As for him being the most entertaining thing in WWE is that opinion or fact? Also, 60 pop sits him in midcard, is he now a contender for the top titles?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks for backing me up. I almost posted something in response to them earlier but decided not to because at this point I've written close to a short essay on something that was meant to be no longer then a couple of sentences lol.</p><p> </p><p> Anyway you mentioned you've lost a little passion for this mod and you have other ideas and projects you want to move on to and the next release might be your last. So I think now is a time it would be more tasteful to praise just how good this mod is right now as it currently stands (especially considering you mentioned that you stated this dataset off as only being for yourself and a few friends). Honestly don't stress too much over Europe and Australia. So many people probably turn those regions off anyway to decrease load times. Look forward to your next update, and if it never comes already satisfied with what we've all got so far. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Skummy" data-cite="Skummy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is an extremely WWE-centric view, though, to say that because one stat isn't relevant to the current product as WWE presents it means that no one should be good at. It would be like rating someone lower on Hardcore ability because WWE went PG. It doesn't take into account that there's a world outside WWE, or that WWE - in real life, or under you as the booker in-game - could change the product settings and revert <em>back </em>to bikini contests and bra and panties matches.<p> </p><p> I'm not going to get into a debate on sex appeal beyond that, as it's far too subjective, particularly when I'm not 100% clear on its in-game impact, but the game world has to be looked at holistically, not just "that's not how WWE do it".</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well when you quote just that tiny part it might sound WWE-centric but overall if you look through what I originally said then what you are saying is my point exactly. Currently members of the WWE roster have 95+ ratings in certain things like hardcore, sex appeal, etc that WWE simply do not base their hiring process and match styles around in 2018 and to have all their performers be 95+ rated in certain categories because 'they are the best in WWE' makes the game world as you put it "WWE-centric" and not holistic. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alpha2117" data-cite="alpha2117" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As I said before lets agree to disagree this is not the thread to argue over that stuff .... trying to resist responding ..... arghhhhh ........ nope biting my tongue .... you are entitled to your opinion .... arghhhhhhhh .... mustn't respond by saying Mandy isn't within 20 of Brock athleticism wise because like most of the roster she's at least 20 points above 2018 Brock ..... arghhhhhhh!<p> </p><p> Just joking (although to me Brock's stamina and athleticism have clearly deteriorated considerably over recent years - power, menace, star quality are all undiminished by time). As I said this thread is not the place for arguments over that stuff. In the end we are all going to have very different opinions on that sort of thing - if a stat annoys you too much in this or any mod you can always just use the editor to tweak it so that your version of the mod better reflects your view of the world. With Thousands of workers there is going to be a huge range of things that people can disagree on - that's what the editor is for to me. Tweak the heck out of any mod you play to maximise your enjoyment. It's one of the great strengths of TEW - the suckas easily customisable for most anybody playing.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think its funny you think I'm arguing. I used to make loads of mods in various games with teams of people and we'd discus how to optimize every detail of the game for the player. I just chose a random performer and a random stat to explain the concept of capturing a workers personality but it seems I chose poorly as we've gotten so sidetracked on the individual rather than the overall concept.</p><p> </p><p> I'll try one more time to explain this in EXTREME detail then I'm giving up.</p><p> </p><p> I have already edited my game. I have previously played and tested this exact mod and noticed there were times that took me out of the moment and thought could be improved and was simply sharing my experience to Fleisch who can then can do whatever they like. I think this mod has the most going for it and I wouldn't even bother bringing stuff like this up in other mod threads because so many mod makers get all excited but never actually finish a playable release yet Fleisch has numerous releases and has put in the work and I thought maybe I could help considering I used to mod like crazy back in the day.</p><p> </p><p> Now onto the example I used. I mentioned Alexa Bliss did not feel like Alexa Bliss when I was booking her as she wasn't all that great at promos but was excellent at diva bikini contests and bra and panties matches etc. I looked at her stats in detail and understood. The funny thing is I suggested buffing Alexa Bliss overall improving her microphone, acting, etc. and lowering her sex appeal but rather then talk about the concept of trying to make characters have various strengths and weaknesses that capture what it would be like to book them a few peeps came in and didn't even read the whole thing and said simplistic statements like "I think Alexa Bliss is hot, 97 sex appeal is deserved" not understanding she'd actually perform better in game with what I was proposing. </p><p> </p><p> I'll even put screenshots for you guys for this specific example of Alexa Bliss so we don't have to talk about her anymore and can understand the overall concept.</p><p> </p><p> Here are her original stats as they exist currently in the mod:</p><p> <a href="https://s15.postimg.cc/afvslqxt7/Screenshot_61.png" rel="external nofollow">https://s15.postimg.cc/afvslqxt7/Screenshot_61.png</a></p><p> (notice her low charisma and acting make her flop with low rated promo segments) - something I think shes very good at.</p><p> </p><p> Here are the the stats that I have changed her to in my game:</p><p> <a href="https://s15.postimg.cc/51x0e40cb/Screenshot_63.png" rel="external nofollow">https://s15.postimg.cc/51x0e40cb/Screenshot_63.png</a></p><p> (maybe I went a little overboard increasing her promo skills as an over-reaction to her previous stats) - Granted I have not tested this, It is very difficult to balance out and get everyone's stats right relative to everyone else in a database without severe planning</p><p> </p><p> But ignore the specific stats themselves, please just focus on the goal that's trying to be achieved here of trying to get every worker to feel like that specific worker when booking them (maybe my edits have other problems, I dunno, I have not properly tested them as I said). If you want me to explain my edits I can and I encourage disagreement and conversation if the intention is to make things better. Anyway I lowered the sex appeal rating because although Alexa Bliss is 'cute' I don't think she'd perform to an A+ level in Bra and Panties matches and segments. However I think she'd still be alright at them and could slip into that style of wrestling and booking better than say Charlotte Flair so I still gave her a high rating but not obnoxiously high to the point where the booker has more success if they promote her in that way with sexuality in all her segments and a gimmick that is purely sex sells (essentially the sort of shit they are doing with Mandy Rose and that weird slow-mo cringe trying to do the baywatch walk entrance type of stuff).</p><p> </p><p> Onto athleticism I lowered that severely because this is what it says about that stat:</p><p> <a href="https://s15.postimg.cc/cuno63e17/Screenshot_65.png" rel="external nofollow">https://s15.postimg.cc/cuno63e17/Screenshot_65.png</a></p><p> From what I've read (and I could be wrong) its a sort of a MMA/Legitimate athlete sort of stat. A low rating will not hurt her or any other performer and a high rating can help achieve a better rating in a Verne Gagne style company (which WWE is not anyway).</p><p> </p><p> Onto Star Quality:</p><p> <a href="https://s15.postimg.cc/g1i7ppj1n/Screenshot_64.png" rel="external nofollow">https://s15.postimg.cc/g1i7ppj1n/Screenshot_64.png</a></p><p> (This is about variety in a database again. Daniel Bryan can have a low star quality rating and still achieve A+ rated matches every week if his ring stats and popularity in the region are high enough and the booker books him in the appropriate type of match to showcase his skills) - That is where the fun in a good database comes from.</p><p> </p><p> If you disagree with anything I've said I completely respect that. Different opinions are good and its good to discus things providing everyone can stay focused and on topic (unfortunately we got a little sidetracked). I'll take full responsibility for that, I shouldn't have used Alexa Bliss as the example since it appears so many people apparently feel so passionately about her. </p><p> </p><p> Anyway your input is good, and your thoughts on Brock Lesnar are interesting. I personally still think he'd have to have a high athletic rating but you made a good case as to why you could logically have him a little lower.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Seems shifting to 3 months has done very little to make me want to continue this as if I'm being honest, I rarely play TEW anymore and as this data started off being for me and a few friends, I see little point continuing to stress over it. I have more ideas for datasets I would much rather work on. Europe's a mess, Australia is a mess, the stats once again need a major overhaul (at least it took a year this time). Way too much work and effort than I am willing to put in just to have to go through it all again in another 6 months. I will release an update in August (for the fixes needed, July is not realistic) as a final release that people can build their own monthly updates off of.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It is extremely fatiguing modding and takes SO much time. If you need a break or have another mod you are craving to make more than this one and could have fun with I say do that instead as your enjoyment is the most important thing.</p><p> </p><p> I will also say things don't need to be perfect in a mod for it to be enjoyable. Despite a few odd things here and there this mod is fun and I'm sure many, many people have gotten lots of enjoyment out of it.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alpha2117" data-cite="alpha2117" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Lexi Kaufmann (Alexa Bliss) is a elite level competitive cheerleader in a previous life - it's actually really tough to compete at the level she did - she's really athletic. She's not Bianca Belair athletic (that girl basically broke every record at the performance centre in any category they put her through)but Alexa's physical capabilities are extremely high.<p> </p><p> We probably shouldn't go in a back and forth debate in Fleisch's thread - lets agree to disagree on those things.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You're falling into the exact trap that I was talking about before of taking an interesting minor skill/background someone has and going "ZOMG!! they are SOOOOO good! 100/100!" </p><p> </p><p> I know Bliss very well, she one of my favorites among the women. She was division 1 cheerleader at college, nothing more. You could bump it up 1 or 2 letter ratings over people with zero athletic background but thats it, you need to save room for people that are actual athletic beasts like Brock Lesnar. Even Mandy Rose who finished 1st place in the entire world bodybuilder and fitness competition (far above college level) should not be anywhere near a 91 rating Athleticism. Could Mandy be higher than the other women? Sure. Should Mandy be within 20 points of Brock Lesnar? Not a chance lol.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DatIsraeliGuy" data-cite="DatIsraeliGuy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This last page has been amazingly civil and constructive, it’s very surprising to see that on the internet.<p> </p><p> I’d like to add my perspective on the SA thing: my main issue with it is that I never use sex appeal angles because, you know, I look at women’s wrestling the same as with men, I wanna see good wrestling and/or good characters, not Eva Marie. So I don’t really know how important it is gameplay wise, since Alexa Bliss is being graded more on her entertainment skills. Of course WWE still won’t hire women who don’t look good enough in their eyes (I mean even Paige almost never got hired, ands she’s absolutely gorgeous), but I really think there are other stats that can get overhauled before Sex Appeal like Star Quality.</p><p> </p><p> Which if I’m already mentioning, two wrestlers I started to really follow are Shane “Swerve” Strickland aka Killshot from Lucha Underground, and Garza Jr.</p><p> Both are oozing charisma, have Star Quality for days but aren’t really represented in that way in the data. The only reason I came up with was so WWE won’t sign them immediately, but I do think they deserve more Star Quality and Charisma</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Star Quality is essentially the Walmart test: if they were a regular person walking around would the shoppers in walmart keep staring at them or would they blend right in with the other shoppers and no one notice them. Its very different to charisma. Great Khali for example would get A+ for Star Quality and very low for charisma.</p><p> </p><p> Shane Strickland's star quality is currently a D in the dataset. Its not totally inaccurate, he just looks like a regular dude but it does seem slightly harsh in comparison to many others in the dataset that are overly high. I think he could maybe be pushed up to a C?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alpha2117" data-cite="alpha2117" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hmmm that's a really bad picture of Kellyanne and not really indicative of how she looks now. She definitely isn't carrying those extra pounds.<p> </p><p> She's got a decent all tatted up bad girl look that plenty of people find attractive and sexy too. I wouldn't put her in the upper echelon's myself but she's currently better looking than that pic you posted.</p><p> </p><p> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/pg/kellyannefiendclub/photos/?tab=album&album_id=243191595694113" rel="external nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/pg/kellyannefiendclub/photos/?tab=album&album_id=243191595694113</a></p><p> </p><p> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/kellyannefiendclub/photos/a.779003522112915.1073741825.243191389027467/1876584955688094/?type=3&theater" rel="external nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/kellyannefiendclub/photos/a.779003522112915.1073741825.243191389027467/1876584955688094/?type=3&theater</a></p><p> </p><p> In the Shimmer pic she's better looking than Mia Yim, Zoe Lucas, Veda Scott, Kay Lee Ray & Rhia O'Reilly. Without seeing her in real life up close I have no idea if she is really better looking in real life but in the pic she is.</p><p> </p><p> Personally if you asked me who looks like they would be better in bed Kellyanne or someone like Eva Marie - I am going with Kellyanne.</p><p> </p><p> All these things are subjective. Is Nia Jax sexy? Sorta ... she's a big girl but she's got an attractive face and if you like meat on the bones then I can see how people would think she is sexy. Eva Marie looked like a Barbie Doll and whilst many people find that sexy others find the more plastic look a turn off. Like I said subjective. </p><p> </p><p> With any mod you have to make choices and for Alex Bliss she's a tiny little thing that is amazingly athletic and that's very attractive to many people. It's hard to quantify - the mod maker just has to go with his gut. You are rarely going to get absolute consensus on something subjective like Sex Appeal.</p><p> </p><p> Now Mustafa Ali's and Buddy Murphy's in ring abilities being too low - the last couple of months leading up to them getting a this is awesome chant during the traditionally dead last match on 205 live sums up how good those two are and how insane their chemistry is. Those are things that you can point to a series of matches over a decent period of time to try to prove. 3 months ago though not too many people would have said that either guy was under-rated in ring but now you can make that case pretty easily. By the by I would strongly recommend watching the last few months of 205 live to any wrestling fan because there is just some fantastic work from a bunch of guys who aren't getting nearly enough exposure.</p><p> </p><p> Info for the Mod - Lio Rush was advertised as coming to 205 live so he's being called up to the Main roster shortly</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Sorry for not responding straight away to this, its a tricky thing to respond to. I wanted to write a proper explanation and not just a dismissive one liner because I agree with everything you are trying to say and like the way you put it forward, however I really think you're overthinking it and a little like the other guy using your personal taste as the rating rather than looking at it from the games point of view and a rating from a booker's perspective instead of a fans. If you want me to use an example of my personal taste I find Kelly Kelly very unattractive. I hate her and think shes too skinny, her teeth are fake bleached, her nose is hooked and her face looks squished up and I find 9/10 other female wrestlers better looking that her. HOWEVER there is no point me trying to justify what I like and don't like and for the purposes of a booker communicating to non-wrestling fans Kelly Kelly should clearly have one of the highest ratings in sex appeal in the mod and be 85+. There are other ratings like star quality that can be used as a tool to get girls like Alexa Bliss to be overall appearance wise better than Kelly Kelly. Maybe if you think of the name as "slutty appeal" over "sex appeal" it might help you break your bias.</p><p> </p><p> Also I wasn't going to mention it but you described Alexa Bliss as 'amazingly athletic' and it reminded me why on earth is she 91 athleticism in the mod? Look I get it, we like her... but no... just no lol. That goes beyond extreme fanboyism to actual cringe-worthy disillusion of reality. Check out the main TEW 2005 mod that everyone played to get an idea how to balance out ratings in a way that makes for an amazing playing experience. The top woman in the WWE in athleticism would probably be Shayna Baszler or Ronda Rousey however even they would not get a rating higher than something in the 70s most likely in that classic ratings system the same way as a male wrestler would never get a 95 rating for sex appeal. There are also ratings for stuff like flashiness and high flying yet when people try to justify a top rope move as athletic and boost that up or 'shes got a cute tattoo' as sex appeal you end up with very bland workers in the dataset as they are all so well rounded that there is nothing really to do as a booker.</p><p> </p><p> Lets stop using the women as examples, lets talk about the men. Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Steve Austin should be A+ star Quality, psychology and charisma then kinda average or below average in the ring. CM Punk could maybe justify a B+ at the very highest in star quality (probably lower) but he has awesome ring stats and can put on amazing matches because of his ability. The mistake many mod makers make is when they fanboy out to CM Punk, Daniel Brian or their favorite wrestler and use the logic "I view them as a star therefor they have star quality" or "I'm into Goth chicks more than playboy models so she should have higher sex appeal" not only does it make booking the worker unrealistic but it means there is no reason for someone like Hulk Hogan or the Rock to even exist in the mod because someone else can do their specialty already plus everything else. Also remember this, WWE is in a decline in regards to their talent and there is no worker anywhere in the world that is clearly the next big star. This is actually a good thing though as it means the player should have a difficult yet exciting choice what direction they want to go with their booking. Braun Strowman has the look but lacks ring ability. Kenny Omega has ring ability but lacks star quality. </p><p> </p><p> Anyway I hope that kinda explains it. Sorry if parts came across harsh, its a hard thing to communicate without getting distracted and caught up on individual appearances or individual stats. Its more a general thing about the entire database and making the stats of every worker in the game work together to capture real life and make for a fun experience for the player. </p><p> </p><p> PS: I saw Kellyanne a few weeks ago. I'm not going to make a comment on that though lol.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If you're willing to do that it would be great, thanks. I'll add it and give full credit to you. It's just one of those "I live in the UK" excuses I know, but honestly, without paying out for promotions online services (which would bankrupt me!) and giving up my day job to get time to watch I've not really any way of seeing a lot of these promotions.<p> </p><p> I've got an absolute backlog to do for RWC due to working on Flashpoint (priority) but I'll try to get some time to update what people have suggested/pointed out over the weekend.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It will take me at least a week to do them all properly. I'm probably going to give them on average much lower stats than the other people currently in your database because that's just what I feel they should be when actually playing as these tiny/local companies and to bring their salaries closer to what they really are in real life. So if you want when I'm done you can go in afterwards to their stats and boost them all up 15-30 points across the board to bring them in line with everyone else in your database. The big advantage though is you'll be able to see what each wrestler really is and their traits will be captured properly. For example the high flyers will be high flyers and the giants will be giants. I understand you not knowing them nor do I blame you. Australian wrestling is pretty silly. There are a few hidden gems here but because Australia is so far away from the rest of the world quite a few of them are scared of quitting their other jobs and taking the plunge to travel the world.</p><p> </p><p> Quick Question: What do you do when you don't know a workers age? Do you exclude them or guess?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I just got a little tired of being asked "Why don't you add to the Australian scene" well now people know. I know nothing about the scene! It was added so I got some peace. If someone wants to work on it themselves I'll update it but for now it will have to stay the ballsed up mess it currently is.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> By theory my friend and I could make it for you near perfectly. Its quite an interesting set up here because there are a handful of different promotions but they share most of the same talent. I can't stress enough though how small the crowds are. Pretty much all the wrestlers are volunteers and if a show manages to make a profit they take a share the gate (depending on the promoter). I'd say almost every Australian wrestler would be satisfied with a pay of $20 for the night lol. We have a saying in Australia that no one is over, people here don't pay to see any specific Australian wrestler unless they've been in WWE, they just pay to see wrestling itself so it doesn't really matter who the promoter books. The crowds are so small here its insulting sometimes. Christopher Daniels wrestled here a few weeks back in front of 15 people maybe <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> You'll never be able to get their payment per show down low enough for it to be anything resembling realistic but if you lower their stats you might be able to sort of recreate the Australian scrappy on the cheap environment. The funniest thing and most enjoyable to see play out in TEW would be the scheduling conflicts with other promotions sharing the same core roster which happens all the time here in real life, and both promoters calling up putting pressure on the wrestler to perform at their show over the other.</p><p> </p><p> The one frustrating thing though is how the regions are divided. It really should be divided into North East Australia, South East Australia and West Australia. As it stands now every Australian wrestling promotion that is worth making would be based in Eastern Australia.</p>

it is very time consuming getting 2000+ characters appropriately rated in comparison to one another in so many different stats. Also quick question, where did you get your information on the Australian wrestlers from? My friend and I had a good chuckle at them (in a friendly fun way though). We know a lot of these guys in person and if they were making $900 per show they'd be so happy lol. Also you missed some big ones while including some complete jobbers, still... thanks for thinking of us. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="JamHead" data-cite="JamHead" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You're talking about an opinion stat and in MY opinion, she is the hottest woman on the roster since Christy Hemme and this stat is deserved.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think you missed the point entirely. I like Alexa Bliss too, shes one of my favorites however most people like the entire Alexa Bliss package rather then just staring at pictures of her purely because of her appearance alone like perverted wrestling fans used to do to the divas in the early 2000s. Sex Appeal is just one stat I chose to highlight in a bigger scheme, what I'm really talking about is every wrestler feeling the same or not capturing their personality from a booking perspective. For example Alexa Bliss currently has 58 microphone and acting which in game prevents the booker from using her how she is used in real life because she probably has the best female promo of anyone on the current WWE roster. A nerf to her sex appeal and a buff to her microphone and acting would actually make Alexa Bliss feel more like Alexa Bliss because as a booker I'd be encouraged to put her in promos to showcase her and get good ratings as opposed to bikini contests. I'm not going to try to keep explaining it with Alexa Bliss to you since you seem to love her and it will corrupt your ability to understand this point so I will use another example of someone else.</p><p> </p><p> Many ratings could be improved but the sex appeal rating across the board is wrong with pretty much every single woman in the dataset. I was trying to be polite before and not shame any particular woman but I'll use Kellyanne as an example instead to prove the point instead of Alexa Bliss </p><p> </p><p> This is Kellyanne</p><p> <a href="https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4202/34085471894_389212449c_b.jpg" rel="external nofollow">https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4202/34085471894_389212449c_b.jpg</a></p><p> </p><p> She was given an 86 "Sex Appeal" stat that is far higher than Eve Torres, Kelly Kelly, Madison Rayne and numerous other girls who ONLY managed to break into wrestling with the aid off their looks. I am Australian and I like Kellyanne too but her stat of 86 does not match who she is at all in real life and breaks the experience for me. She is actually a decent ring worker who probably will never get a chance in WWE due to her lack of sex appeal ironically enough.</p><p> </p><p> Another woman to explain this concept I can use who everyone knows is Becky Lynch who has the 5th highest sex appeal in the game trumping numerous models who can't wrestle at all but should have a high rating as its literally the only thing they have to offer. Now LOTS of people have a crush on Becky Lynch the same way as lots of people have a crush on Alexa Bliss however Becky Lynch herself even came out and said she never had a chance of being signed during the diva era because she lacked sex appeal. Those are her exact words.</p><p> </p><p> Anyway I'm not going to debate which girls are attractive and which girls are not, that was never my intention. I was just trying to help. Anyway, once again nice mod and good luck with whatever you choose to do in future updates.</p>

<p>This is my first comment on this thread so I want to start off by saying thank you for this fantastic mod and all the time and dedication you put in with updating it every few months.</p><p> </p><p> I've played a little bit of it and thought I'd try to give some feedback that I hope is constructive and helpful.</p><p> </p><p> Some of the stats are a little odd. Particularly the women. As much as I like Alexa Bliss in real life she probably shouldn't be anywhere near 97 sex appeal rating while women like Mandy Rose and Eva Marie are lower than her with numbers in the low 90s. Alexa Bliss's appeal comes from her mic work and her charisma that helps her connect with fans whereas the other 2 (particularly Eva Maria) just don't. Its not a deal-breaker and the mod is still great but little stuff like this does make the mod a little bit less immersive as a booker and at times feels a tad fanboyish with such an over the top 97 rating that I really don't think anyone in 2018 should have considering WWE has purposely moved away from utilizing Sex Appeal since the Womens Evolution. It might come down to a little bit of confusion also on what some ratings actually are. The sex appeal rating is often used for determining the success of segments WWE would run in the late 90s and early 2000s like the bikini contests and bra and panties matches. Since the womens evolution thing WWE have moved far away from these types of women so I don't think the current WWE roster should be filled with too many 90+ rated in this category.</p><p> </p><p> This is linked to a bigger issue that I also noticed was sort of the same but less obvious with the male Indy wrestlers and that is the slight lack of unique wrestlers that offer differentiation and difficult choice as a booker. </p><p> </p><p> For example if Alexa Bliss was down at 82 Sex Appeal (which is still very high) but had mic skills, decent psychology and was well rounded enough to perform better overall than Eva Marie but Eva Maria had 90 Sex Appeal but was hopeless with basics and other important skills so she could never put on a good match it would recreate the real life headache and position WWE were placed in where they had to make a choice what they wanted that division to look like.</p><p> </p><p> I noticed there were quite a few male Indy wrestlers in promotions that also suffer from this same problem where they were overall very well rounded while also having extremely high stats (95+) in certain things that they are no doubt very good at but made so over the top good at that skill/skills that other wrestlers who might kind of suck but have that one thing as the sole reason they were a wrestler lose their identity, particularly from a bookers point of view as to why you'd ever find signing them appealing. The Alexa Bliss one is definitely the most glaring obvious example of this I can find and also easiest to explain but there is a couple of males too I found myself having to edit down some of their stats before I start my new game.</p><p> </p><p> Anyway, that is just my opinion and regardless what you do in your next update I think we're all very thankful to you for this mod. Keep up the good work!</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Another addition to the database... again, it is EXTREMELY rough as I've just spent the last 3 hours attempting to research what I can.<p> </p><p> <span>http://melbournecitywrestling.com.au/wp-content/uploads/mcwlogo-1.jpg</span></p><p> </p><p> Australia finally has a promotion in the database. I'm not claiming to have gotten everyone in that appears regularly, or the correct main eventers (I've based that on recent title successes) but I've certainly got most who have made 2 or 3 recent appearances..</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If you want any help with the Australian wrestling scene let me know. Sadly I know most of it and know their stats and rough personalities even though I would never be caught dead at an Australian wrestling event. </p><p> </p><p> You're going to wanna start here - <a href="http://www.awfwrestling.com.au/roster/index.htm" rel="external nofollow">http://www.awfwrestling.com.au/roster/index.htm</a> (ignore their international wrestlers, those guys have probably appeared like once for them).</p><p> </p><p> then here - <a href="http://melbournecitywrestling.com.au/" rel="external nofollow">http://melbournecitywrestling.com.au/</a></p><p> </p><p> Then go here - <a href="http://www.prowrestlingaustralia.com.au/roster/" rel="external nofollow">http://www.prowrestlingaustralia.com.au/roster/</a></p><p> also here - <a href="http://riotcitywrestling.com/roster.html" rel="external nofollow">http://riotcitywrestling.com/roster.html</a></p><p> and here - <a href="https://www.prowrestlingsouthaustralia.com/wrestlers" rel="external nofollow">https://www.prowrestlingsouthaustralia.com/wrestlers</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> then here maybe - <a href="http://wrestlerampage.com/" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlerampage.com/</a></p><p> <a href="http://www.nhpw.com.au/index.php/roster/wrestlers.html" rel="external nofollow">http://www.nhpw.com.au/index.php/roster/wrestlers.html</a></p><p> </p><p> These guys are another step down - really should all be low stats - <a href="http://www.ipwaustralia.com.au/current-roster.php" rel="external nofollow">http://www.ipwaustralia.com.au/current-roster.php</a></p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.newagewrestling.com.au/wrestling-stars/" rel="external nofollow">http://www.newagewrestling.com.au/wrestling-stars/</a></p><p> </p><p> <a href="https://www.pcw.com.au/wrestlers/" rel="external nofollow">https://www.pcw.com.au/wrestlers/</a></p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.aawperth.com/copy-of-roster-1" rel="external nofollow">http://www.aawperth.com/copy-of-roster-1</a></p><p> </p><p> these guys are sort of dead but you could add them - <a href="https://www.iwawrestling.com.au/wrestlers" rel="external nofollow">https://www.iwawrestling.com.au/wrestlers</a></p><p> </p><p> Some of the funniest and best personalities for a database are actually the owners and promoters. Its often some super delusional serious old guy that thinks he used to be a star or some young guy who has had a few months of training and is now breaking away with his own promotion with a terrible idea.</p><p> </p><p> Its a hard market to capture, to do it right the popularity of wrestling here should sort of be capped. No one ever really gets more than 200 tickets sold to a gate. When I was younger I watched Tenille and Jessie McKay (Emma and BillieKay) and the crowd was probably 40 people and about half of that I'm guessing was their friends and family members showing their support to their kid or friend who was wrestling. The roster is often almost the same size or bigger than the crowd. </p><p> </p><p> There is actually some pretty technically skilled wrestlers out here and a lot of them do have that star quality but their popularity should be super low and it should be near impossible for them to gain popularity without leaving Australia.</p>