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    Thunderverse Alt Thread 2020

    in Total Extreme Wrestling 2020 Mods

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    On a similar vein to Idol, I tried rendering out a while into the development of TVerse 2020. I only ever made one render but in the spirit of the thread, here it is.

     

    feeling_froggy.jpg

     

    It's meant to be one of those in fashion in the mid 2000s animal hoodies that the person is wearing. :p

     

    "Mid-2000s animal hoodies" is very much a mid-2000s rawr XD emo girl thing, and now I wonder if you snuck that kind of throwback into the mod, too. :D

    Thunderverse Rey de Reyes Release Thread

    in Total Extreme Wrestling 2020 Mods

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    This version of the ThunderVerse I could literally play any promotion which hasn't always been the case. Since release I've had games with promotions in every region a d of every size, so I'm pretty happy with any to be honest!

     

    SPLASH! sounds like it could be one hell of a ride. I wouldn't even know how to book it, without having to smoke enough pot to send Snoop Dogg into a coma beforehand. :D

     

    UWT would be a different kind of challenge - reaching the top with such an old school promotion would be quite a feat.

    TEW2020 Product Suggestion Thread

    in Total Extreme Wrestling 2020 Suggestions

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    I think the Pseudo Sport product is a complete waste in its current state. It's virtually identical to the Catch Wrestling product, as they have similar match/angle ratios and neither require gimmicks. The latter doesn't even make sense based on Pseudo Sport's description, which points to showmanship as an important part of the product. The detail that really cinches my dislike for Pseudo Sport is that it requires a "Steal The Show" match in addition to a "Technical Masterclass" match. Both of those match aims require workers with high fundamentals to keep the match together. Why would a player run both of those matches in one night when the player would probably choose the same main event wrestlers for both aims?

     

    It seems like Pseudo Sport was gutted in favor of Carnival Days, the latter being much closer to what I would expect a World of Sport-inspired program to look like. Gimmicks aren't required but do have a tangible impact when used, and most of the other product requirements are the same. I think the best way to proceed would be to delete Pseudo Sport and rename Carnival Days to "British Sportsmanship", changing the description to reflect the influence of Pseudo Sport.

     

    You might be on to something here, old school British wrestling was highly technical, but there were quite a few gimmicks as well - even though most wrestlers largely did without them. I'd modify Pseudo Sport along those lines, keeping that name, while also keeping an altered version of Carnival Days; I was the one that first proposed it as a product, but maybe someone with a better grasp on the early history of the sport might be able to suggest some changes that'd make it resemble carnival wrestling more.

    How "close" are the various products to each other?

    in Total Extreme Wrestling 2020 General Discussions

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    Well, to my knowledge there is no such chart, but I can give a description to the best of my ability right here. Let's say Classic Balanced is the root of your "Product Tree". Your tree has many branches, representing the different types of product available in the game.

     

    I will start with the most insular branch on the tree: the "Diverse Aims" branch. This would encompass No-Style Style, Three Ring Circus & Tres Ring Circus. These products are extremely flexible, with generous match/angle ratios and a fanbase which will accept whichever match type you throw at them. The only strenuous aspect is that you must use three distinct match aims on each card, with Regular and the Crowd aims not counting towards your total. You are not required to use gimmicks with No-Style Style, which has the loosest match/angle ratio of them all (30/70 to 70/30). Three/Tres Ring Circus have tighter match/angle ratios and require you to use storylines, but you can to use Comedy characters in the main event. Tres has the "Lucha de Apuesta" add-on to reflect the lucha libre base while Three doesn't, which is the only notable difference between the two. I imagine Classic Balanced transitions very easily to any of these three.

     

    World Fusion is almost on this branch as it also requires three different match aims, but a few important details separate it from the other three. The product is described as fusing together the wrestling traditions of Mexico, Japan, & the United States. Thus it has the "Lucha de Apuesta" add-on, but also the "Important Match" length requirement from puroresu & the storyline requirement from sports entertainment. This product also discourages crazy/stunt bumps, which the other three do not.

     

    Next, I will describe the "Classic" branch. Though only a few products are part of the actual branch, by way of subsections "Classic" is the transition point to most of the products in the game. The following products are represented in "Classic": Lucha Libre, Mainstream Puroresu, Southern Rasslin, Sports Entertainment, Wild West. Based on the product, I would throw Golden Age Pro Wrestling in here as well, as it's a distinct category with its own successors that's viable in this family. Just by looking at that, I'm sure you can imagine the huge range of products in here; this encompasses pure technical wrestling, high flying styles, hardcore wrestling, and all the different sports entertainment derivations. Certain products intermarry, but I'm not even going to get into those because it's too complex for me to explain.

     

    We'll start with Wild West, because I have a controversial take on it. I think it's the true gateway product to hardcore wrestling. If you compare it to Extreme Hardcore (the first well-defined hardcore style), you'll see the match/angle ratios and required match aims are quite similar. It's not hard for me to imagine; Terry Funk came out of Texas, after all. So let's say you've moved from Wild West to Extreme Hardcore. You can go further down the ultraviolence route and use products like Gory Hardcore, Deathmatch, & Xtreme Adult Filth. Or you can use a specific themed variation, like Puerto Rican Hardcore or Psycho Circus. You could also let up on the violence a little, with products such as Anti-Establishment Hardcore, Bar Room Entertainment, or Hardcore Evolved. Though the level of violence is different, the ethos remains the same in all of these, and they all love the same sort of violent brawls Wild West offered back in the day.

     

    Golden Age Pro Wrestling represents the territorial US wrestling style. The next step from there is Silver Age Pro Wrestling, which still requires gimmicks but puts a bit more emphasis on the wrestling. You can choose puroresu-influenced products after that, such as Respectful Wrestling or East Meets West. Alternatively you could go in an even-more old-fashioned direction, with Catch Wrestling, Carnival Days, & Pseudo Sport providing those products. For a distinctly American workrate, you can go from Silver Age to Fast & Furious, or perhaps to Guerilla Warfare if you want the Golden Age gimmicks while continuing to step up the wrestling.

     

    Next is Mainstream Puroresu. This takes you down the pure wrestling path, but even then you can go in different directions. The traditional Japanese style is Wrestling As A Sport, which requires little in the way of angles, gimmicks, or stories, but quite long matches. Royal Puroresu is a pretty obvious take-off of Giant Baba's All Japan. Strong Puroresu takes you in the "Inoki-ism" direction, and if you're into MMA wrestling you can turn that into Shoot-Style Wrestling and then Faux MMA.

     

    Sports Entertainment is the most complicated style of them all, with a bunch of different routes available. You could choose any one of the "Episodic" products, which I personally consider a subset of Sports Entertainment due to the emphasis on storylines & characters. Telenovela & Soap Opuro are regional variants of the concept. Campy Fun, Family Friendly, Lighthearted, Morality Wrestling, & PG Rated are kid-friendly derivations of the phenomenon. Attitude Entertainment, Crash TV, & Ruthless Aggression are adult-centered versions of Sports Entertainment.

     

    There are other products in the game too, but I've had my fill writing this up. I hope this helps you and anybody else with questions about the different products.

     

    That's exhaustive, I don't think I'll be the only one finding this useful. :D

    How "close" are the various products to each other?

    in Total Extreme Wrestling 2020 General Discussions

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    So, I kinda want to begin a Thunderverse game as the IWF, a promotion with the generic Classic Balanced product; if I wanted to move away from it and towards a more defined product, in order to give the promotion an identity other than its being almost monopolized by a couple families, I'd have to change it, of course.

     

    Of course, some product changes can take place sooner than others, while some other such changes have to be implemented much more slowly; therefore, the game recognizes that some products are more similar to each other than to other products. However, there's no way to know, in-game, how many months will it take to make the jump from one kind of wrestling to another, before you actually click on the product change button.

     

    I was wondering if there was a chart or a map anywhere, displaying the relative closeness of the various products - going from Campy Fun to Deathmatch straight away would be wildly unrealistic of course, but gradual changes (not as drastic as this one, of course) have happened over and over again.

    Thunderverse Rey de Reyes Release Thread

    in Total Extreme Wrestling 2020 Mods

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    It looks like you need a plugin for Paint.net to open .svg files. Windows does have a tendency to open random file types (like PDFs) in Edge if it doesn't have a dedicated program assigned. It means you can view it, but you won't be able to edit it.

     

    Inkscape is the program I used for all of the logos (and banners) and is free, so it might be worth looking into if you think you're likely to do a few.

     

    Thanks, downloaded Inkscape and it works - doing an actual logo is going to take time, since I don't know shit about Inkscape, but since every single element of it is displayed in the file with its properties, I can just copy/paste those properties anyway. :D

    Thunderverse Rey de Reyes Release Thread

    in Total Extreme Wrestling 2020 Mods

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    Good job on the logo. The new style logos don't have a border and now have a flat colour background, rather than the gradient that I used to use, but it still fits great.

     

    In terms of the banners, I've attached an SVG file which should hopefully help. I use Inkscape, so I can't promise it'll work perfectly in other software but it's a standard file type so should be okay. You'll need The Next Font for the text on the banner.

     

    My laptop thinks it's a Microsoft Edge file even though it literally ends in .svg, and Paint.net doesn't even detect it. :(

    Are TEW dynasties dying?

    in Total Extreme Wrestling 2020 General Discussions

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    <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Vinsmoker" data-cite="Vinsmoker" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="53331" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is the case with any game series that brings out several, non yearly game titles. Fanbases will often split over new games in a series, unless the older game is (almost) literally unplayable or the sequel does something extremely different.<p> </p><p> When the Skyrim Remastered edition came out (and was free for people owning the original on the PC) many players and modders stuck to the normal version for years.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It happens with other things, too - most tabletop RPG players I know, for example, have stuck with the old <em>Vampire: The Masquerade</em> version and basically ignore the reboot. That said, the Thunderverse seems to be for TEW what Kaiserreich is for HoI, most activity is focused on the mod rather than the base game.</p><p> </p><p> I'd make an IWF diary myself, if I weren't horrible at making diaries. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

    Thunderverse Rey de Reyes Release Thread

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    We didn't upload it, but I'm guessing this is the one you are after?

     

    http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2381565&postcount=366

     

    I've not downloaded it, so I don't know if it works, but if not I can probably dig the file out and get MHero to reupload it somewhere.

     

    Obviously you'll need to add them in manually to the mod, in which case I'd suggest making a copy of the database once you've done it or you'll need to do it manually each time you install an update. At least if you've got a copy you'll only need to remember to import them.

     

    Doesn't work, when I download it, it shows up as a generic "file" rather than a folder.

    And now for something completely different

    in Total Extreme Wrestling 2020 General Discussions

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    <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Sons of Kohral" data-cite="Sons of Kohral" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="52337" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I like the idea of the "Anime, but real life" idea. <strong>Probably build it around a bunch of tournaments.</strong></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So, New Japan, but with joshi-esque fanservice?</p><p> </p><p> Or just Tekken. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

    Thunderverse Discussion Thread

    in Total Extreme Wrestling 2020 General Discussions

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    I’m sure I’m not alone in saying the release of this mod will single handedly make those hot too keen on the Cornellverse all the bang for their buck on ‘20. I am so psyched to see the schedules so fleshed out. That’s such a small thing that adds so much flavor to the world. Just one of those many things Thunderverse does so well to immerse you in this world.

     

    Yeah, I've been leaving TEW 2020 alone for the most part because I couldn't get into the CornellVerse (and because the Trails series of RPGs is long even for Japanese RPG standards, seriously, I've been playing it for months, with a few breaks in between to play other games... and they say NJPW storytelling takes years) so I'm eagerly awaiting the release of the ThunderVerse. :D

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