A Weight-y Issue: Weight Classes, and Weight in general:

[SirFozzie]

Here are the unified weight classes that just about all promotions (Even PRIDE will now that the Fertitas own them) run at, and should be in the game The Lighter weight classes are primarily used in Asia, I think the lowest weight class in general use is 155 in Japan, and 170 in the US, but don't take that as a mortal lock. Flyweight (125 lb, 57 kg) Bantamweight (135/61) Featherweight (145/66) Lightweight (155/70) Welterweight (170/77) Middleweight (185/84) Light Heavyweight (205/93) Heavyweight (265/120) Super Heavyweight No upper weight limit Fighters usually exist 5-20 pounds above their weight class, (for example, Chuck Liddell said a while back that when he's not in trying to make weight at 205, he usually is at 215-220 or so). Fighters should have a "Cut Weight" ability, indicating their ability to make various weights. Somebody who has a low cut weight ability, should struggle to make weight for a fight (or have a greater % of stat loss when trying to make weight, due to losing muscle definition). This is realistic, as one of the recent PPV's had a fighter fail to make weight, and the title fight was converted to a non-title fight, and the fighter was fined 20% of his purse (10% to his opponent, 10% to either the NSAC or chairty, I forget which)

[ACCBiggz]

[QUOTE]I think the lowest weight class in general use is 155 in Japan, and 170 in the US[/QUOTE] UFC has a 155 weight class, and WEC and other companies have 145 classes. In fact PRIDE's Lightweight title is 160-something, maybe 161 or 162. There was no word on if the PRIDE rules, weights, etc. would change, at least that I know of. Anything saying otherwise is speculation. I believe they'll agree on unified rules, but I heard nothing official about anything other than the sale. [QUOTE]Fighters usually exist 5-20 pounds above their weight class, (for example, Chuck Liddell said a while back that when he's not in trying to make weight at 205, he usually is at 215-220 or so).[/QUOTE] True, but you also have fighters wanting to come up in weight to fight others and do good jobs. BJ Penn is one, he is naturally around the 165 mark going down to Lightweight, going up to Welterweight, and even having bouts against guys like Lyoto Machida who fights at 205. Most UFC fighters are a good 15 pounds over, GSP/Hughes/etc. And cut down. [QUOTE]This is realistic, as one of the recent PPV's had a fighter fail to make weight, and the title fight was converted to a non-title fight, and the fighter was fined 20% of his purse (10% to his opponent, 10% to either the NSAC or chairty, I forget which)[/QUOTE] Lutter gets a bad wrap about this... even though he should have made weight and there is NO excuse at all for it... every other fight he made weight. Cutting weight is normally a manager or someone planning it for you and they know how to do it effectivly, but I agree this should be part of the game in some form. For instance I don't think the Liddell's, Couture's, Ortiz's, Silva's, etc. would miss a cut.... so the top tier guys are usually safe in that regard. Also, just for correction he was fined 10%, 5 to Anderson and 5 to the NSAC.

[SirFozzie]

From Meltzer's report: Pride would continue holding matches in the ring and be, as Fertitta called it, a "Japanese-centric" organization while UFC would be an "American-centric" organization. The only significant change talked about would be worldwide unified rules would be put in place, which would be the same rules UFC fights under, with the elimination of knees to the head on a downed fighter, stomps and soccer kicks in Pride, but adding elbows. White said Pride would keep its judging criteria for fights in Japan, but obviously, when running in the U.S., would use the commission-dictated ten-point-must system. Pride will also have weight classes change for worldwide consistency, and will crown champions at 155, 170, 185, 205 and heavyweight. Currently Pride has champions at 161 (Takanori Gomi), 183 (Dan Henderson), 205 (Henderson) and heavyweight (Fedor Emelianenko).

[ACCBiggz]

I won't discredit Meltzer as obviously he is a worldclass reporter. It'll just be interesting to see when this is done, as there is a Grand Prix for this summer in PRIDE. Eliminating knees to a downed opponent sucks and is a bad move. Not just a bad move because they should be allowed, but Dana has wanted the NSAC to allow them as well for the UFC, so wouldn't it be wise to keep them in and show the NSAC tapes for this and hope to change their mind? I think so. As for the other rules being unified and weight classes unified. I like it. Because it makes everything simpler now and we'll know a lot more about rankings and such when the Superfights roll around at unified weights.

[syndicate]

yamamoto is the 154 pound champion of k-1 gomi is the 160 pound champion of pride sherk is the 155 pound champ of the ufc all are considered lightweights i dislike the idea of super heavyweights but you should be able to make your weightclasses

[syndicate]

[QUOTE=ACCBiggz;216769]I won't discredit Meltzer as obviously he is a worldclass reporter. It'll just be interesting to see when this is done, as there is a Grand Prix for this summer in PRIDE. Eliminating knees to a downed opponent sucks and is a bad move. Not just a bad move because they should be allowed, but Dana has wanted the NSAC to allow them as well for the UFC, so wouldn't it be wise to keep them in and show the NSAC tapes for this and hope to change their mind? I think so. As for the other rules being unified and weight classes unified. I like it. Because it makes everything simpler now and we'll know a lot more about rankings and such when the Superfights roll around at unified weights.[/QUOTE] i don't like it one bit i love the idea of kicking/kneeing a fighter to the head when he is down... removing foot stomps ****ing sucks fighters like shogun would be very watered down

[JMimic]

I can do without the soccer kicks and stomps; the knees to the head of a downed opponent though is something I think they should keep and I think it might eventually make its way back. You thought Fedor's GNP was nasty before; now he can use elbows.

[ACCBiggz]

Stomps, Knees, etc to the body are allowed... stomps to the head should be outlawed. It's just dirty to me, and anything to the end like knees to the head on the ground, are taken away by the NSAC because they are concerned about the fighters well being and long term health. Fighters like Shogun will adapt, and it isn't a HUGE adjustment. The UFC has been vocal about wanting knees to a downed opponent, but the NSAC still say no, and until someone changes their mind it'll be that way. Again it comes down to fans griping about things like this when to the NSAC's credit, they are looking after the health of the athletes as opposed to those fans wanting a no rules bloodsport.

[syndicate]

[QUOTE=ACCBiggz;216854]Stomps, Knees, etc to the body are allowed... stomps to the head should be outlawed. It's just dirty to me, and anything to the end like knees to the head on the ground, are taken away by the NSAC because they are concerned about the fighters well being and long term health. Fighters like Shogun will adapt, and it isn't a HUGE adjustment. The UFC has been vocal about wanting knees to a downed opponent, but the NSAC still say no, and until someone changes their mind it'll be that way. Again it comes down to fans griping about things like this when to the NSAC's credit, they are looking after the health of the athletes as opposed to those fans wanting a no rules bloodsport.[/QUOTE] it's the culture... in japan it's not considered dirty fighting it's just accepted as apart of fighting shogun could adpat and has fought under rules where you can not use knees or kicks to the head on a downed fighter but the thing is his fights were not as exciting this goes for tons of matches... everytime i try to show somebody mma who is new to the sport i show silva vs kondo... most people freak out because they have never seen somebody get stomped 5 times in the head it's very brutal but it's something that peoples mouths drop when they see it because it's exciting and i would miss it very much

[ACCBiggz]

It is not a matter of culture, is that why Japan allows it? Maybe, but the NSAC and other governing bodies look at long term health of a fighter, ways to protect them from serious injury, etc. In my OPINION, it's dirty. Stomping to the body I can see... when a fighter just lays on the ground trying to maybe entice someone to join them (Silva/Lutter just recently), and then they bring the stomp down to the midsection. To the head is a different ordeal for obvious reasons. What if the neck is at an angle and you bring it down with force and paralyze your opponent? There are tons of different scenarios and to me stomping is the one thing that can go. Shogun and the other guys will be fine, and they'll adapt to the rules and still be world class. In unrelated PRIDE/UFC news, some are calling for the Pride lady to be removed... NO! She makes me laugh.

[SirFozzie]

[QUOTE=syndicate;216858]it's the culture... in japan it's not considered dirty fighting it's just accepted as apart of fighting shogun could adpat and has fought under rules where you can not use knees or kicks to the head on a downed fighter but the thing is his fights were not as exciting this goes for tons of matches... everytime i try to show somebody mma who is new to the sport i show silva vs kondo... most people freak out because they have never seen somebody get stomped 5 times in the head it's very brutal but it's something that peoples mouths drop when they see it because it's exciting and i would miss it very much[/QUOTE] If you want to give them something to freak about, show them Mark Hunt's Flying Butt Drop :)

[jeremybotter]

[QUOTE=ACCBiggz;216769]I won't discredit Meltzer as obviously he is a worldclass reporter. It'll just be interesting to see when this is done, as there is a Grand Prix for this summer in PRIDE.[/QUOTE] You should probably assume that all Pride events scheduled after April are probably canceled now. At least that's the impression that I'm getting. The April show will be the final DSE show, at which point Zuffa will take over and begin running their own events. This is not to say that the Grand Prix will not happen, but it's definitely not guaranteed at this point. Also, Meltzer got the information from a press conference call with Dana White and the Pride office after the press conference, so it's legitimate. Unified rules is a fantastic idea, as the fighters will be used to a certain style of rules and won't have to try and adapt when they fight in the US (like Wanderlei Silva against Dan Henderson, for example.)

[syndicate]

[QUOTE=ACCBiggz;216861]It is not a matter of culture, is that why Japan allows it? Maybe, but the NSAC and other governing bodies look at long term health of a fighter, ways to protect them from serious injury, etc. In my OPINION, it's dirty. Stomping to the body I can see... when a fighter just lays on the ground trying to maybe entice someone to join them (Silva/Lutter just recently), and then they bring the stomp down to the midsection. To the head is a different ordeal for obvious reasons. What if the neck is at an angle and you bring it down with force and paralyze your opponent? There are tons of different scenarios and to me stomping is the one thing that can go. Shogun and the other guys will be fine, and they'll adapt to the rules and still be world class. In unrelated PRIDE/UFC news, some are calling for the Pride lady to be removed... NO! She makes me laugh.[/QUOTE] it has nothing to do with adapting to the rules it's about whats more fun to watch... k-1, pride, icon sports... and so on are some of the best companies to watch mma because of the rules they have i have never said it was not dangerous to get a head stomp... it's very dangerous i can remember a clip i saw from a mma fighter in japan (not sure what company it was) it had one fighter on the ring apron with his head off of the apron and the second fighter on top of him trying to stomp his head in... the guy on the ring aprons head kept going back like it was going to fall off... it's very dangerous and the ref that was a part of that fight (who ever he was) ****ing sucked and should of not let that happen however with that said it still was some very entertaining stuff to see and the japanese dont really care because when somebody kicks somebody down they dont view it as something negative the pride lady sucks... idk why dse brought her on the american telecast... bad move to market to the u.s. fans [QUOTE=jeremybotter;216875]You should probably assume that all Pride events scheduled after April are probably canceled now. At least that's the impression that I'm getting. The April show will be the final DSE show, at which point Zuffa will take over and begin running their own events. This is not to say that the Grand Prix will not happen, but it's definitely not guaranteed at this point. Also, Meltzer got the information from a press conference call with Dana White and the Pride office after the press conference, so it's legitimate. Unified rules is a fantastic idea, as the fighters will be used to a certain style of rules and won't have to try and adapt when they fight in the US (like Wanderlei Silva against Dan Henderson, for example.)[/QUOTE] but it's just unifed for pride/ufc/wec tons of companies all have dif rules

[ACCBiggz]

From what I heard prior they planned to keep the scheduled events or at the very least the Grand Prix. That was still scheduled to take place.. i'll try and locate the article.

[syndicate]

[QUOTE=ACCBiggz;216881]From what I heard prior they planned to keep the scheduled events or at the very least the Grand Prix. That was still scheduled to take place.. i'll try and locate the article.[/QUOTE] i have not really read the info on sherdogs maine page or seen the videos of the press confrence but i hope they keep the grand prix tournaments it's one of the best things of pride... i just hope zuffa will force the champions to defend the belts more :rolleyes:

[ACCBiggz]

You mean Mark Coleman wasn't good enough for you :p Or Gomi's sparingly defenses? I'll give Hendo a pass.

[Adam Ryland]

syndicate, stop swearing, it's against board rules.

[Adam Ryland]

Weight classes are definable within the editor. Each company can have up to eight weight categories, and their definition is up to you. They default to the Unified Rules under normal circumstances.

[BlizzardVeers]

..that's great! :D

[JMimic]

[QUOTE=Adam Ryland;217005]Weight classes are definable within the editor. Each company can have up to eight weight categories, and their definition is up to you. They default to the Unified Rules under normal circumstances.[/QUOTE] Beautiful. Will there be some kind of penalty or reward if a fighter goes up or down in weight to fight? IE if a 155'er tried to fight at heavyweight I don't think he would be nearly as good. On the other side if a good 170'er went down to 155 would he be better or will it just depend on his stats?

[jeremybotter]

I was thinking something along these lines would be a good idea. I think people fighting out of their "normal" weight classes should be penalized in terms of stamina and other stats, but obviously you can make up for it by having certain people who are good at 2-3 weigh classes, like Dan Henderson. I like the idea of being able to successfully fight out of your regular weight class being another stat point.

[Capelli King]

[QUOTE=jeremybotter;217354]I was thinking something along these lines would be a good idea. I think people fighting out of their "normal" weight classes should be penalized in terms of stamina and other stats. I like the idea of being able to successfully fight out of your regular weight class being another stat point.[/QUOTE] I also like that idea. That you can fight in any weight, with of corse different stats in comparisson to people in the new weight category. In other words a lightwieight fighter might be considerd to having 92% strength in comparisson to people in his weight catgegory but only 45% in comparisson to a heavyweight. This is important, especially for those people which want to have "openweight" tournaments to compare the best irrelevant to weight.