Referee Skills/judges/commissioners

[RepoMantaur]

there could be attributes the refs have that determine; 1- if they stop the fights too soon, at the right time, or too late which could lead to; a lower match rating (too soon) injuries (too late) 2 - if they are able to catch fouls 3 - if they lean more towards allowing uneventful ground fighting (how soon they will tell fighters to stand up if they are just being tactical on the ground) 4 - maybe a rating that determines how likely they are to DQ someone if they are catching fouls, or how tolerant they are of fouls it would add an element to the game of trying to secure good refs (although it may be more realistic to allow commissions to appoint refs) -- i would like judges to have ratings as well; 1 - judgment (how accurate they will score the fight) 2 - ground (how much credit they will give to successful ground tactics) 3 - striking (how much credit they will give to effective striking) 4 - (possibly) wrestling (how much credit they give to effective wrestling, such as take downs 5 - favorite (how likely they are to score in favor of a favorite) 6 - corruption (if the bribe feature is used) --- also it would be nice to have an option to set the scoring to either round by round (10 point must) or overall (like pride, where the entire fight is scored and not each round) -- similar ratings could be applied to athletic commissioners 1 - judgment ref (theyre judgment in selecting competent refs) 2 - judgment judge (theyre judgment in selecting competent judges) 3 - corruption

[ACCBiggz]

If there are any judge/ref stats Cecil Peoples will be given a 0.

[Jacko00]

I think judges should be in the background and be chosen by the commisions.

[JMimic]

[QUOTE=ACCBiggz;218565]If there are any judge/ref stats Cecil Peoples will be given a 0.[/QUOTE] All 10s for Herb Dean! Hahaha...Love me some Herb Dean

[ACCBiggz]

Cecil Peoples is the worst judge in the history of MMA. He wasn't THAT bad in the one match I saw him ref, but it still was probably stopped short by a punch or two. But overall it wasn't a horrible stoppage. Herb gets a raw deal, he's good.

[Undertaker666]

[QUOTE=ACCBiggz;218601]Herb gets a raw deal, he's good.[/QUOTE] Generally i'd agree, not for the Ortiz vs Shamrock fight though!

[jeremybotter]

[QUOTE=Jacko00;218594]I think judges should be in the background and be chosen by the commisions.[/QUOTE] I agree. As in real life, poor judging should be something that only happens once in a blue moon. The judges scores usually reflect what actually happened in the fight, and very rarely do they make mistakes in giving the win to the wrong guy.

[RepoMantaur]

[QUOTE=jeremybotter;218604]I agree. As in real life, poor judging should be something that only happens once in a blue moon. The judges scores usually reflect what actually happened in the fight, and very rarely do they make mistakes in giving the win to the wrong guy.[/QUOTE] maybe thats been the case up until now in mma, but thats because there arent many judges or states that is legal in yet in boxing its as if one in every 7 fights is scored horribly and there are guys who can score fights incredibly badly and still get appointed to title fights regularly, particularly in casino based venues

[JMimic]

[QUOTE=Undertaker666;218603]Generally i'd agree, not for the Ortiz vs Shamrock fight though![/QUOTE] I know I'm only kidding; Herb is a pretty good ref.

[RepoMantaur]

it may be the fact that there are so few rounds that lead to there being less robberies in mma, but there certainly should be judges that prefer different things (striking, takedowns, submission attempts) on a side note if you want to see perhaps the worst, or possibly most corrupt judge of all time [url]http://www.boxrec.com/officials.php?official_id=63[/url]

[ACCBiggz]

[QUOTE=Undertaker666;218603]Generally i'd agree, not for the Ortiz vs Shamrock fight though![/QUOTE] Shamrock/Ortiz II was stopped correctly. Nothing was stopping Ortiz from delivering another 27 elbows to the grill. A lot of fans were just upset it was that short. [QUOTE]As in real life, poor judging should be something that only happens once in a blue moon.[/QUOTE] Haha. Riiigghhtt. There is a reason why Joe Rogan and tons of MMA personal including Dana White get upset with the NSAC. They've been employing boxing judges for MMA matches. Just watch some fight nights and you'll see some terrible judge, mostly by Cecil Peoples.

[mad5226]

I was one of those fans upset it was so short, damn PPV and charging me 35 bucks! I really the idea of the ref stats though that could really add a whole new element to the game just because then you can decide the type of ref you want other than just going for the best overall grade.

[TylerDrew]

[QUOTE=ACCBiggz;218612]Shamrock/Ortiz II was stopped correctly. Nothing was stopping Ortiz from delivering another 27 elbows to the grill. A lot of fans were just upset it was that short. Haha. Riiigghhtt. There is a reason why Joe Rogan and tons of MMA personal including Dana White get upset with the NSAC. They've been employing boxing judges for MMA matches. Just watch some fight nights and you'll see some terrible judge, mostly by Cecil Peoples.[/QUOTE] Dalby Shirley gives him a good run for god awful judge honors.

[Ghostface]

[QUOTE=ACCBiggz;218612]Shamrock/Ortiz II was stopped correctly. Nothing was stopping Ortiz from delivering another 27 elbows to the grill. A lot of fans were just upset it was that short.[/QUOTE]Those same fans would have been calling for Herb's head if Shamrock has been serious hurt and he hadn't stopped it aswell. Good call on Herbs part in my opinion. [QUOTE]I was one of those fans upset it was so short, damn PPV and charging me 35 bucks![/QUOTE] Thats the chance you take in any combat sport though. Ref/Judge stats are a great idea, it wouldn't be a true MMA simulator without some dodgy decisions from some crappy judges.

[javier_83]

tyeah, like Title Bout Championship Boxing there are ref, that stop the fights early, or make wort decision with a cut etc..

[thedraem41]

[QUOTE=RepoMantaur;218557]there could be attributes the refs have that determine; 1- if they stop the fights too soon, at the right time, or too late which could lead to; a lower match rating (too soon) injuries (too late) 2 - if they are able to catch fouls 3 - if they lean more towards allowing uneventful ground fighting (how soon they will tell fighters to stand up if they are just being tactical on the ground) 4 - maybe a rating that determines how likely they are to DQ someone if they are catching fouls, or how tolerant they are of fouls it would add an element to the game of trying to secure good refs (although it may be more realistic to allow commissions to appoint refs) -- i would like judges to have ratings as well; 1 - judgment (how accurate they will score the fight) 2 - ground (how much credit they will give to successful ground tactics) 3 - striking (how much credit they will give to effective striking) 4 - (possibly) wrestling (how much credit they give to effective wrestling, such as take downs 5 - favorite (how likely they are to score in favor of a favorite) 6 - corruption (if the bribe feature is used) --- also it would be nice to have an option to set the scoring to either round by round (10 point must) or overall (like pride, where the entire fight is scored and not each round) -- similar ratings could be applied to athletic commissioners 1 - judgment ref (theyre judgment in selecting competent refs) 2 - judgment judge (theyre judgment in selecting competent judges) 3 - corruption[/QUOTE] This is a great idea, I especially love the corruption idea, brings a different aspect into the game. Which could lead up to more depth in the game.