Champion Haters

[lovestruck420]

Why is it that as soon as someone wins a championship, the general or IWC turns on them with as much fervor as a fatman in Pie eating contest. I mean for yrs we heard "Oh man that Cena deserves a shot", then as soon as he gets it, Boom, we hate him. The same goes for Batista, Everyone wanted him as champ and then soon after he was a no talent waste of space........ The same will hold true for the Undertaker and the IWC, its just a matter of time. I'm just wondering why???

[AfRoMaN36]

Its true. I agree with you 100%. They did the same thing with HHH too. But for my opinion on Cena..... aw who cares... no one listens anyway. I may aswell stop doing those threads.

[PeterHilton]

[QUOTE=lovestruck420;219454]The same will hold true for the Undertaker and the IWC, its just a matter of time. I'm just wondering why???[/QUOTE] Actually, there's a pretty big group of people who haven't liked UT for years. Especially if you believe the rumors about the kind of guy he is backstage. As to your question: success breeds contempt. The same thing happens in music when little indy bands make it big and their "original" fans get all pissy because they "sold out." Fans don't know how to separate personal preference from doing what's good for business.

[Jasx12]

[QUOTE=PeterHilton;219459]Actually, there's a pretty big group of people who haven't liked UT for years. Especially if you believe the rumors about the kind of guy he is backstage. As to your question: success breeds contempt. The same thing happens in music when little indy bands make it big and their "original" fans get all pissy because they "sold out." Fans don't know how to separate personal preference from doing what's good for business.[/QUOTE] What rumors are these? The only thing I've heard backstage is that he's a nice guy that cares.

[AfRoMaN36]

Like Sunny for insance. I dont think many people who jumped on the "I hate Sunny" bandwagon, didnt realize their manhood because of her. And when she became "The most downloaded diva on the net" she grew some resentment too. Granted, she wasnt the Cinderella in the fact that she isnt the kindest person on earth who speaks to animals. But the negative remarks she has gotten from the IWC have been both uncalled for and unjustified. I remember being a member of April Hunters official fan club and one day, I asked her on her opinions on Sytch since she was with her in wCw. April responds (I paraphrase...) "I've actually spoken to Sytch only a few times, but I dont get any vibes of her being this evil **** the net fans make her out to be. She just seems to be a down to earth, straight to the point kind of girl who wont sugar coat. I think most of the negative press she gets is out of jealousy and envy of the success of a beautiful young woman. Sad too as this has also affected Candidos career too. Being the husband of this "wicked ****" wont do wonders for your press either. Its unfortunate because he deserves much more than he is getting." [QUOTE=Jasx12;219463]What rumors are these? The only thing I've heard backstage is that he's a nice guy that cares.[/QUOTE] I've heard that the Undertaker pretty much runs "His Yard" in the locker room. That before people do anything drastic, they ask him for confirmation. And when two workers are having a spat, he is the judge and the jury. Take that for what it is, their isnt really much too positive nor negative about any of that.

[PeterHilton]

[QUOTE=Jasx12;219463]What rumors are these? The only thing I've heard backstage is that he's a nice guy that cares.[/QUOTE] Well, he basically refused to job to DDP. Then when he thought DDP wasn't bumping properly in a match on a PPV, had the writers let his wife beat him. He has carte blanche over his character. Refused to lay down for Orton. Bitched about not being the main event at this year's WM. Is only slight less evil to rookies than Bradhsaw is/was. Nearly walked out after being told to put over Brock. I don't believe this..these are just some of the rumors I've read. I think UT is probably just a veteran worker who's extremely protective of his spot on the card, as vets are wont to be, but there is a certain backlash to his characte rand the fact that he's never really put over anyone.

[tristram]

I'm not sure I believe it either. He seems a pretty moralistic sort of bloke, reading between the lines he was appalled at what Vince McMahon did to Bret Hart and stood up to him for it. I remember reading World Wrestling Insanity which talked about the 'jury' system, seems a bit of a weird culture in wrestling locker rooms but how could it be normal given what they do 300 days of the year?

[Jasx12]

Yeah. Another thing I heard is that a few years back he suggested for Kane to stop his WM streak, but Kane said no. I can't blame him though, he put his time in. I agree with you Peter. Not that it matters, I enjoy watching him.

[keefmoon]

[QUOTE=tristram;219500]I'm not sure I believe it either. He seems a pretty moralistic sort of bloke, reading between the lines he was appalled at what Vince McMahon did to Bret Hart and stood up to him for it. I remember reading World Wrestling Insanity which talked about the 'jury' system, seems a bit of a weird culture in wrestling locker rooms but how could it be normal given what they do 300 days of the year?[/QUOTE] Yeah this is the thing that I think of when people mention these rumours. Undertaker is supposed to have kicked Vinny Mac's door down after Montreal and insisted he talks to Bret. I think he rules the yard, but in a veteran type of way. When you think how many eras he's surpassed since his debut and still remained relevant I'm not surprised. Roughing up the rookies and having people go to him for permission to do something is, I imagine, pretty much the norm for a guy who has been in the main event for the past 17 years and remains as respected as he's ever been. If Hogan is the left end of the veteran spectrum and Flair the right, I reckon 'Taker is left of centre. Demands respect, wants to keep his place, but does what is best for the company.

[Moe Hunter]

I've heard nothing but good about UT backstage - that he offered to let Orton beat him, but management saw it as a waste being just a single interpromotional match, and did the wise thing in leading an extended program. Yeah, he's the locker room leader - it's a good idea to check with him about stuff backstage. There was the thing where Matt Hardy got depushed for rolling out of the ring instead of feeding in for a chokeslam like everyone else was, but that's neither here nor there. He has every right to be pissed (if he IS, it was Batista who expressed it) about not being the Main Event of Mania for three reasons: 1. He won the Rumble. What good is winning the Rumble if it doesn't even get you close to the ME of WM? That's its whole purpose! 2. The title changed hands. That's a good enough reason to have it end the show. 3. He's THE UNDERTAKER. His Mania streak is huge, and Title vs Streak should have been the biggest selling point.

[WrestleManiac]

I've always hated Cena and Batista bores me. I have my favorites and I always follow them weather they're champs or not. Like someone else said earlier, it's like when a band makes it big... everyone craps on them. I liked Korn, Limp Bizkit, and Linkin Park long before they had their hits and when they got in the charts it's like I'm supposed to hate what I previously liked. I just don't get it. I've always liked Undertaker since the day I beat all my mates on the old Royal Rumble arcade machine way back in the early 90's. I liked Ultimate Warrior even when everybody elese decided he was uncool. And I hated Cena even when everyone said he was the best thing around.

[TCP1]

Despite my feelings on the Undertaker (I hate the fact that he never loses clean, like, EVER!), I felt that his Mania match should have been main event. That being said, if it was the lack of position that caused them to have the match that they had then that's fine with me. Plus next year you could have Cena vs Taker and have Cena take the streak!

[The Ego]

Theres only one man to take Takers streak..... Just Joe.... perhaps followed in second place by Savio Vega... perhaps followed in third place by Horace Hogan......

[Jorge_JBR]

I think Undertaker is a douchebag, but I also think he has a little bit of a right to be. There are few people that can remain in the main event for years and years with few gimmick changes. I think he'll cleanly put someone over at a Mania at his last one, or he'll just go out undefeated.

[flamebrain]

[QUOTE=lovestruck420;219454]Why is it that as soon as someone wins a championship, the general or IWC turns on them with as much fervor as a fatman in Pie eating contest. I mean for yrs we heard "Oh man that Cena deserves a shot", then as soon as he gets it, Boom, we hate him. The same goes for Batista, Everyone wanted him as champ and then soon after he was a no talent waste of space........ The same will hold true for the Undertaker and the IWC, its just a matter of time. I'm just wondering why???[/QUOTE] Because as soon as they are champ people panic that they are now agreeing with the WWE and LORD KNOWS we can't do that! :rolleyes: I think with the IWC its more fun to like the "cult hits" and when the general public cottons onto someone like Cena or even CM Punk, should that time come, then they lose their insider cache. It also doesn't help that they generally change the style that brought them to the top in favour of a more mass-appeal approach (look at Cena's early rap, then his weak ones then his non-existant ones). Its the cult thing: like what isn't popular, hate what is (the problem being that successful cult hits usually cross that barrier in the end). Plus I hate ALL champs because they're just another in a long line of folks holding The Big Valbowski down! :p

[Genadi]

[QUOTE=lovestruck420;219454]I mean for yrs we heard "Oh man that Cena deserves a shot", then as soon as he gets it, Boom, we hate him. The same goes for Batista....[/QUOTE] Where did you hear this? :confused:

[TCP1]

[QUOTE=CarlitoCoool;220038]Where did you hear this? :confused:[/QUOTE] I was certainly one of the first Cena bandwagon jumpers. I even went to a WWE event in England dressed as The Doctor of Thuganomics. This was at the time that he was feuding with Benoit, he came out to a chorus of boos and me and my mates cheered our lungs out. He then badmouthed England and still we cheered and whilst everyone else was sitting, we stood up and made the old Cena signal with our hands (too much rock for one hand thingy) and he gave us a little nod and a smile! Legend! That being said, he recently made Benoit tap-out on a tv match, which just doesn't sit right with me!

[Jasx12]

[QUOTE=CarlitoCoool;220038]Where did you hear this? :confused:[/QUOTE] I always heard it. Don't you remember the WM match with him vs. Big Show? The man got some of the biggest cheers of the night. People used to love Cena, back before it was "in" to hate on him.

[shamelessposer]

[QUOTE=TCP1;220050]That being said, he recently made Benoit tap-out on a tv match, which just doesn't sit right with me![/QUOTE] The ****? I like Cena and all, but unless you're the third coming of Ric Flair you've got no business making Benoit tap out.

[TCP1]

[QUOTE=shamelessposer;220071]The ****? I like Cena and all, but unless you're the third coming of Ric Flair you've got no business making Benoit tap out.[/QUOTE] Exactly. As far as I know he's only tapped to Jericho and Angle (and possibly the Rock) on WWE tv and now to the submission specialist John Cena. pfft!

[Dubya]

It's not that I (and many other people assumedly) ever hated Cena, it's just that in his 05-06 run, they put him against a lot of heels that were already "internet darlings" so to speak, like Christian, Jericho, Angle, etc. Hell, Kurt Angle said he wanted to break Jesus' ankle and got cheered for it. Over the past year though, Cena has really stepped it up, and gotten my respect, at least. Edit: Oh yeah. I, too, died a little inside when Benoit tapped out to that lame STFU.

[D16NJD16]

Reading this post, it's painfully obvious to tell who gets their "insider information" from free sites and who gets their information from reputable pay sites.

[lovestruck420]

And who would actually pay to find out what is going to happen on there favorite soap opera before everyone else.......... As to where I heard it. Long before Cena even got to the WWE, when he was in OVW feuding with Leviathon, there were many people saying, "man they gotta bring in that prototype, he would be a smash hit in the WWE!".

[AfRoMaN36]

[QUOTE=Dubya;220115]It's not that I (and many other people assumedly) ever hated Cena, it's just that in his 05-06 run, they put him against a lot of heels that were already "internet darlings" so to speak, like Christian, Jericho, Angle, etc. Hell, Kurt Angle said he wanted to break Jesus' ankle and got cheered for it. Over the past year though, Cena has really stepped it up, and gotten my respect, at least. Edit: Oh yeah. I, too, died a little inside when Benoit tapped out to that lame STFU.[/QUOTE] I would have to agree with that. Hell, I bet you if he was put againts CM Punk on RAW tonight, CM Punk would be cheered favorably. Smarks come in droves and they can be a thorn in the side of many wrestlers. While children and women cheer their lungs out, you gotta realize, children and women arent smarks. Personally, why have I been seen making a few anti-cena comments? I personally find it unrealistic that he is dominating the entire promotion and this Cena-the-Unstoppable thing has gotten boring for me with his victory over HBK being the last straw. But for most people that isnt even the case. For most, they just choose to cheer for the guy that Dave Sherer and the "IWC" have wet dreams about and completely ignore the fact that they did the same thing for Cena a while back. While others just follow the boo's because its... "cool" now.

[djthefunkchris]

/nod. I find it interesting how I can look at a post over in IWC or some other websight sight giving a raw show expert point of view (lol). Then come here and bassically see some of the same EXACT Comments made, which makes it pretty obvious who is thinking for themselves, and who is just trying to look like they know what they are talking about. Personally, I like the "What did you think" threads, mainly because it's people that actually watch the show(s), and give their own viewpoint on them. Heck, they give out alot more appropriate viewpoints then I ever get from the other resource's. You can just watch it with anyone bassically, and you can tell by the way they react, especially if they hardly ever watch, what is working and what's not. You can always watch it yourself, and get your own viewpoint before reading someone's comments on it as well. To me thats the bottum line!! Because DJ CHRIS said so!! (Stone Cold tribute)