still71 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 [QUOTE]"They have not done anything yet and I don’t even know any of those people except maybe Jeff Jarrett and a handful of talent working there. I don't know anyone behind the (scenes). I don't know Dixie Carter. If she showed up in my driveway, I wouldn't recognize her. I don't know anyone over there. I don't know who's doing what. I really don't care. So it's nothing personal here. I'd like to see them succeed…But the truth is, from what I've seen of their product, no one there really gets it. They're a small independent company that's been getting a 1.0 rating for the last five years. ..They keep trying to pull rabbits out of their hat with talent. 'Oh we're gonna bring in Sting and that's gonna turn the business around! ' Well, they brought in Sting, who's obviously a great talent, and guess what? Nothing happened. And then 'We're gonna bring in Christian Cage. It's a big surprise. He's hot in WWE and we got him and it's gonna turn things around.' Guess what? Nothing happened. Then 'We're gonna bring in Kurt Angle and he's the real deal. Things are gonna turn around!' Guess what? Nothing happened. Nothing's ever gonna happen until they get it." [/QUOTE] ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjdgoldeneye Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 I agree, mostly. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe Hunter Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 You can't really argue with that, it is true. They have great talent but they're not succeeding with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallbanger Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 So what, precisely, is this elusive "it" that Bischoff says TNA doesn't "get"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappyboy Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Sounds to me like he's suggesting TNA doesn't get the strengths they actually have well enough to play to them. That TNA keeps thinking they have to make this huge splashy move and wow people with all the brand name free agents they can get. When what the company ought to be doing is capitalizing on some of the names that could make themselves stars with minimal help from the board if they were just unleashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermore Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 What like Bischoff did with all the young talent in WCW :rolleyes:? Quote The Raven Nevermore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappyboy Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Didn't say he was the messenger for the job. Just what it sounded like his message was. Does rather sound like the blind leading the blind if my interpretation of Bischoff's words are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 He's not off the mark, but he's the wrong guy to deliver the message. He had tons of good ideas but he never changed his product and he ended up running off all the fans he gained. So while he could certainly give TNA some advice on how to get on top, I would hope they go somewhere else to find someone to tell them how to stay there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 It's pretty much true from a fan/supporter view also, I'm a TNA fan and I can recognise that and wish it would be better. But than again, when it comes to Bischoff knowing how to run a company, he's 0-1 with WCW, so how much of this do you think he knows very well. Hopefully "it" isn't the B.S that he did that only helped WCW short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanada Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 [QUOTE=Wallbanger;247581]So what, precisely, is this elusive "it" that Bischoff says TNA doesn't "get"?[/QUOTE] doing something different that the fans (and not the guys they already have brainwashed) want to see. People wanted the nWo when he did it, so he ran with it. TNA never does anything new or spectacular. They set up situations that allow workers to do insane spots, thats about it. There is nothing new from a storyline perspective (which is what really made WCW great once) so its just "WWE-lite" they dont get it. At least thats what I think it is. Its like city slickers. That one thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracyBrooksFan Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 he knows people behind the scenes he knows Taylor,Mantell,Russo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 [QUOTE=TracyBrooksFan;247604]he knows people behind the scenes he knows Taylor,Mantell,Russo[/QUOTE] And how is that relevant? EDIT: Not trying to sound rude. But what does him knowing people have anything to do with his comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfRoMaN36 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 0-1 with wCw? The man took a crappy fed with no direction and turned it into an empire. A force that seemed unstoppable. In the end the company folded and he was partially responsible, yes. But what comes up must come down, and I dont consider that a failure by any stretch. And Im sure when he spoke, he kept his own failures in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 [QUOTE=AfRoMaN36;247612]0-1 with wCw? The man took a crappy fed with no direction and turned it into an empire. A force that seemed unstoppable. In the end the company folded and he was partially responsible, yes. But what comes up must come down, and I dont consider that a failure by any stretch. [/quote] WCW was not exactly a crappy fed. They had a ton of talent and were responsible for the best actual wrestling that happened in the mid 80s to the late 90s. They were however poorly managed and booked. [quote]And Im sure when he spoke, he kept his own failures in mind.[/QUOTE] Actually, based on his book and his interviews, I can almost guarantee the exact opposite is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfRoMaN36 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Yeah I meant they were poorly managed. They were booked by geniouses like Dusty Rhodes who tells his workers to stab him in the eye on live tv because Turner wants to tone down the violence. And Im not sure whether EB had his failures in mind or not. But based on this blurb, it just looks like he's telling them how doing things he did "bringing in huge talent for ratings" that youre just setting yourself up for failure. I dunno though. I dont care much for Bischoff. (Albeit I just ordered his book because WWE.com offered me a Foley/Bischoff package for 20 bucks.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 [QUOTE=AfRoMaN36;247617] (Albeit I just ordered his book because WWE.com offered me a Foley/Bischoff package for 20 bucks.)[/QUOTE] Man. Seriously f you want to pick up some rasslin boks read the Turning the Tables book next. Eric's is 200 pages of him saying how smart he was and how he had nothing to do with WCW's eventual failures. "Of curse I knew Austin and Foley and jericho would be stars...I wanted to keep them ....upper management..." and so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfRoMaN36 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 I can already tell I've got a hell of a read ahead of me....:o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe Hunter Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Whether he keeps it in mind or not, he does seem to know the sorts of things that lead to WCW's failure, whether he takes credit for them or not. He can say what he did just as well as you or I can - we can see that the current strategy in TNA is not working, and apparently combined they can't. Bringing in Hogan, Nash, Hall, etc worked for WCW at the time, because they had decent coverage and publicity. TNA doesn't. When Christian and Angle left WWE, hardly anyone knew that they ended up in TNA except for people who already knew about TNA, which is a relatively small portion of the wider audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlizzardVeers Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 I'm curious. Why does it matter who someone is if they make relevant statements to a situation, even if they had a worse one occur under their watch? Just because you 'eff up doesn't mean you don't know what you're doing in the end. On the statement? He's right. TNA needs ONE big storyline to get themselves over .. not big talent names. They need better writers, and a network that's not Spike TV for advertising, not better known workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 [QUOTE=BlizzardVeers;247631]I'm curious. Why does it matter who someone is if they make relevant statements to a situation, even if they had a worse one occur under their watch? Just because you 'eff up doesn't mean you don't know what you're doing in the end. On the statement? He's right. TNA needs ONE big storyline to get themselves over .. not big talent names. They need better writers, and a network that's not Spike TV for advertising, not better known workers.[/QUOTE] C'mon..that's just human nature to judge a statement partly on the person who says it. Like after the Paris Hilton stuff happened and OJ Simpson issued a public statement about how the American media is screwed up and should get its priorities in order. He was right...but it's also OJ..... A person's character adds weight to their word. Good and bad. EB is a smart man and could probably contirbute quite a bit to the business even now if given a chance but just one ~ONCE!~ it would be outstanding to hear him take some share of the blame for WCW's failures considering how much effort he puts into taking credit for WCW's successes. Even in this statement, the implication is that TNA doesn't "get it" and he does. So yes, he's right. Bully for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
still71 Posted June 21, 2007 Author Share Posted June 21, 2007 [QUOTE=Wallbanger;247581]So what, precisely, is this elusive "it" that Bischoff says TNA doesn't "get"?[/QUOTE] Entertainment. Exactly what Bischoff used to take the backwoods poorly run southern wrasslin promotion with huge star potential and make them into the top promotion on the globe. Now after that, well.... But TNA lacks the shock value, excitement, hype, entertainment, that WCW had when they shook the foundation of the wrestling world. Even Bischoff can see it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlizzardVeers Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 [QUOTE=PeterHilton;247632]C'mon..that's just human nature to judge a statement partly on the person who says it. Like after the Paris Hilton stuff happened and OJ Simpson issued a public statement about how the American media is screwed up and should get its priorities in order. He was right...but it's also OJ..... A person's character adds weight to their word. Good and bad. EB is a smart man and could probably contirbute quite a bit to the business even now if given a chance but just one ~ONCE!~ it would be outstanding to hear him take some share of the blame for WCW's failures considering how much effort he puts into taking credit for WCW's successes. Even in this statement, the implication is that TNA doesn't "get it" and he does. So yes, he's right. Bully for him.[/QUOTE] No arguments. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamebrain Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 So that's what a nail being hit on the head sounds like! I just wish TNA would stop trying to fill from the top and allow people to move up instead of being pushed down further as more and more "names" come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 [QUOTE=AfRoMaN36;247612]0-1 with wCw? The man took a crappy fed with no direction and turned it into an empire. A force that seemed unstoppable. In the end the company folded and he was partially responsible, yes. But what comes up must come down, and I dont consider that a failure by any stretch. And Im sure when he spoke, he kept his own failures in mind.[/QUOTE] That's why I said, Hopefully the "it" he was talking about isn't the type of short term success that WCW had. With the steps TNA are taking, they're going to make it known that they can stick around longer that 10 years. Bischoff and WCW went all out, gained a big fanbase, but it didn't last that long. I'd rather see TNA rise over a course of a long time, similar to the WWE, than crapping out every single dollar to their name for a short lived run on the top. It seems like Bischoff only did what he thought was right in the short term near future(which made the product excitin then), than really thinking out a plan for success to even last till now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 [QUOTE=flamebrain;247752]So that's what a nail being hit on the head sounds like! I just wish TNA would stop trying to fill from the top and allow people to move up instead of being pushed down further as more and more "names" come in.[/QUOTE] To me their strength lied in their younger worker base. The "Names" are ussually older but they really could utilize what they have alot better. Someone said they needed ONE SINGLE GOOD STORYLING to get them over this hump. I aggree to an extent. I think their biggest downfall is trying to tell TOO MANY STORY's at one time. I don't have a problem with two or three storylines, but in one hour's worth of programming, I wouldn't do more then two storylines in one hour (one per every 30 minutes). This would really build up whomever was in the storylines. I can't keep up with Stings, pluss Abyss, pluss added on storylines that twist them and turn them differently then another one, pluss add Christian, Perhaps LAX, or whatever... It doesn't really matter to me. Get one GOOD (doesn't have to be great, just something interesting) storyline going, keep with it, don't lose aspects and talk about five or six other storylines going on, keep this one in mind over time. When other wrestler's are performing, tell us about them and what/why they do the things they are doing, but after they are done, go back to a main storyline ging on. I just think they could do so much better, I mean... they have the names, heck.... At times I wonder who has the bigger names, WWE or TNA? I mean, they have people galore, and alot of them I've known for a long time. I would get one big storyline going amongst the most popular people I had (biggest names). I would revolve the show around this storyline, the rest of them would fall into secondary... THEN, IF the ratings start getting better, introduce some more storylines with the more talented wrestler's. Get them to where more and more people know who they are, then bring them up against the name's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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