Samoa Joe Rejects Extension

[woodyjw83]

TNA X-Division champion has turned down a three year contract extension. WWE originally was interested in him to play the Umaga character. Once that failed they brought back Jamal.

[djthefunkchris]

[QUOTE=woodyjw83;256418]TNA X-Division champion has turned down a three year contract extension. WWE originally was interested in him to play the Umaga character. Once that failed they brought back Jamal.[/QUOTE] I hate to ask, but where are you getting your information from?

[TravisL]

Normally I slap people like him, but I too saw the same in the Observer and on Gerweck. I wouldn't say he's leaving TNA just yet. He may be holding out for a higher payday.

[djthefunkchris]

[QUOTE]WWE originally was interested in him to play the Umaga character. Once that failed they brought back Jamal.[/QUOTE] That has been overdone forever. I have yet to see a link to it from one of the main people (mainly a WWE representative, or Samoa Joe himself). The only thing I ever found even close to one of them saying something, is Joe said something about "creative" difference's, and feels he has a good relationship, if any, with WWE... In other words, no bad blood. But I've seen that same statement on just about every wrestling websight that had anything to say about Joe, good or bad. Just never from Joe himself, and from his reaction when confronted about the "Umaga" character, I really doubt that statement is an actual fact, although.. There is no doubt in my mind there was some "Gimmick" that WWE wanted that Joe probably felt was too done over or boring for him. Irreguardless, there have definately been talks between WWE talent scouts and Joe. Wouldn't it be interesting if Joe ends up on WWE?

[Arrows]

If Joe winds up in WWE, I stop watching wrestling for good.

[woodyjw83]

I never said he was going to WWE. I simply said WWE was interested in him when designing the Umaga storyline and that his contract extension was tuerned down. There was many articles regarding the Umaga storyline and there are many about the contract extension. Once again I NEVER said he was going to WWE. [B]PW Headlines[/B] [url]http://www.pwheadlines.com/TNA/Top_Star_and_Champion_Turns_Down_Contract_Big_2008_Plans.shtml[/url] [B]TNA Wrestling News[/B] [url]http://www.tnawrestlingnews.com/headlines/185752774.shtml[/url] [B]Rajah[/B] [url]http://rajah.com/base/node/8456[/url]

[BIGJOSH]

TNA Wrestling News and Rajah are not exactly known for their accuracy. I heard from an inside source that this was just a bunch of bullcrap...Joe is locked up for another year and won't be going anywhere any time soon.

[Irish Wolf]

Personally I wouldn't like Joe in WWE. I wouldn't go so far as to say I'd stop watching wrestling but I just wouldnt be hapy about it. I'm not even that fond of him in TNA as I've seen him at two ROH shows and the matches he had there were 20 times better than anything he's done in TNA. As for Joe and the Umaga character I don't know if he was ever offered the spot but at one ROH show some of the fans started chanting "Umaga Sucks" and Joe verbally bitch slapped them. He said he's got nothing but respect for Umaga who he thinks is a great worker and sometimes a Samoan Brother has to do what a Samoan Brother has to do. So I've got a lot of respect for Joe who doesn't just piss on things because it's WWE.

[AfRoMaN36]

[QUOTE=Arrows;256426]If Joe winds up in WWE, I stop watching wrestling for good.[/QUOTE] A little extreme dontcha think?

[PeterHilton]

[QUOTE=BIGJOSH;256431]TNA Wrestling News and Rajah are not exactly known for their accuracy. [/QUOTE] If by that you mean "both sites are are run by a bunch of plagiarizing, rumor-monging hacks," then yes, yes that's true. Don't know about the extension thing, but it is true that the WWE tried to sign Joe. It was reported by Meltzer and Gerweck and some other sites. I also don't think its entirely coincidental that as Joe was being pushed as 'the Samoan Submisison Mechine' the E debuted their 'Samoan Bulldozer.' Was the E's initial idea for Joe to play that roles? Entirely possible. Would Joe have looked stupid in that role? Definitely. Has the Umaga character been a success as a midcard monster heel? Yessireebob. The character didn't fit Joe and he made the right choice by selecting to go with a company that would play to his strengths as a worker...but Umaga works great for what the WWE is.

[PeterHilton]

[QUOTE=Apupunchau@optonline;256434]Personally I wouldn't like Joe in WWE. I wouldn't go so far as to say I'd stop watching wrestling but I just wouldnt be hapy about it. I'm not even that fond of him in TNA as I've seen him at two ROH shows and the matches he had there were 20 times better than anything he's done in TNA.[/QUOTE] C'mon..you seriously saying that Joe-Kenta or Joe-CM Punk was 20 TIMES better than Joe-Daniels-AJ? That match was amazing.

[BIGJOSH]

[QUOTE=PeterHilton;256439]If by that you mean "both sites are are run by a bunch of plagiarizing, rumor-monging hacks," then yes, yes that's true. Don't know about the extension thing, but it is true that the WWE tried to sign Joe. It was reported by Meltzer and Gerweck and some other sites. I also don't think its entirely coincidental that as Joe was being pushed as 'the Samoan Submisison Mechine' the E debuted their 'Samoan Bulldozer.' Was the E's initial idea for Joe to play that roles? Entirely possible. Would Joe have looked stupid in that role? Definitely. Has the Umaga character been a success as a midcard monster heel? Yessireebob. The character didn't fit Joe and he made the right choice by selecting to go with a company that would play to his strengths as a worker...but Umaga works great for what the WWE is.[/QUOTE] Oh no doubt about the fact that the WWE tried to sign Samoa Joe...and who would blame them. The rumor was that Vince wanted him to lose somewhere in the neighborhood of fifty pounds and Joe said no thanks.

[soccergalaxy13]

[QUOTE=PeterHilton;256441]C'mon..you seriously saying that Joe-Kenta or Joe-CM Punk was 20 TIMES better than Joe-Daniels-AJ? That match was amazing.[/QUOTE] I have seen ballroom dances similar to Joe/Styles/Daniels. The 3-way was merely good, not great. Punk/Joe II is the best match in the US since HBK/Undertaker. Just my opinion on the match

[Irish Wolf]

OK so maybe 20 times was an exaggeration but it just feels the same over and over agian with him in TNA recently. Don't get me wrong I like the stuff he's done in TNA and Joe/Daniels/Styles was great but I saw Joe/Morashima(sp?) live and that match rocked so much more. I haven't seen Joe/Kenta mainly because I'm too lazy to download anything and too broke to buy DVDs but I have heard that was one of those matches you watch and you never want to watch anything again lest taint your eyes from it's greatness.

[PeterHilton]

[QUOTE=Apupunchau@optonline;256447]OK so maybe 20 times was an exaggeration but it just feels the same over and over agian with him in TNA recently. Don't get me wrong I like the stuff he's done in TNA and Joe/Daniels/Styles was great but I saw Joe/Morashima(sp?) live and that match rocked so much more. I haven't seen Joe/Kenta mainly because I'm too lazy to download anything and too broke to buy DVDs but I have heard that was one of those matches you watch and you never want to watch anything again lest taint your eyes from it's greatness.[/QUOTE] ROH-bot nonsense. It was stiff as hell but at his age Kenta just can't go. Joe-Punk II WAS a great match. I think the problem with Joe in TNA has been the way his matches have been been booked. I agree his matches have been repetitive, but partly its because very rarely has he been put in a situation where he's allowed to wrestle a match w/o 27 run-ins or some kind of ridiculous gimmick. Joe routinely got 20 plus minutes in ROH to establish a match, his style, and to tell a story with an opponent. The matches played to his strengths. TNA matches (with rare exceptions) don't.

[soccergalaxy13]

[QUOTE=PeterHilton;256453]ROH-bot nonsense. It was stiff as hell but at his age Kenta just can't go. Joe-Punk II WAS a great match. I think the problem with Joe in TNA has been the way his matches have been been booked. I agree his matches have been repetitive, but partly its because very rarely has he been put in a situation where he's allowed to wrestle a match w/o 27 run-ins or some kind of ridiculous gimmick. Joe routinely got 20 plus minutes in ROH to establish a match, his style, and to tell a story with an opponent. The matches played to his strengths. TNA matches (with rare exceptions) don't.[/QUOTE] Joe/Kenta was what it was supposed to be, a fun match. The crowd was really into it.

[PeterHilton]

[QUOTE=soccergalaxy13;256455]Joe/Kenta was what it was supposed to be, a fun match. The crowd was really into it.[/QUOTE] Never said it wasn't. Just responding to what Apupu had said he heard. Unless you are a total ROH mark, it was a good match and certainly not Joe's best effort in ROH. What made it special was the fanfare and Kenta's mystique.

[Irish Wolf]

[QUOTE=PeterHilton;256453]ROH-bot nonsense. It was stiff as hell but at his age Kenta just can't go. Joe-Punk II WAS a great match. I think the problem with Joe in TNA has been the way his matches have been been booked. I agree his matches have been repetitive, but partly its because very rarely has he been put in a situation where he's allowed to wrestle a match w/o 27 run-ins or some kind of ridiculous gimmick. Joe routinely got 20 plus minutes in ROH to establish a match, his style, and to tell a story with an opponent. The matches played to his strengths. TNA matches (with rare exceptions) don't.[/QUOTE] Like I said I didn't see the Joe/Kenta match I can only say what I heard. But basically I agree with you, the matches I have seen in ROH with him have been long and he's had the time to set up the matches and he can tell the story in the ring without ever once getting on the mic (although I do enjoy his mic work, "This Ain't MySpace, I'm not your friend, get the hell outta my ring" still always kills me.). TNA could let him go, even on TV against just about anyone and the fans would go nuts. Gimmick matches and everybody and their brother interfering just aren't doing it for me. But it's not horrifically bad either I adapt to the style of the promotion I watch which is why you generally dont hear me whining and complaiing about WWE because I know what to expect while I'm watching. When I first start watching TNA I was getting a lot more than I feel I'm getting now and the proof of this to me is I thought they would use some one like Joe well and by playing to his strengths they would boost him and at the same time themselves but I haven't seen any of what I expected and it seems to be getting worse.

[soccergalaxy13]

[QUOTE=PeterHilton;256459]Never said it wasn't. Just responding to what Apupu had said he heard. Unless you are a total ROH mark, it was a good match and certainly not Joe's best effort in ROH. What made it special was the fanfare and Kenta's mystique.[/QUOTE] Yea, it was good. Not 5 stars though, I hate Meltzer.

[PeterHilton]

[QUOTE=Apupunchau@optonline;256460] TNA could let him go, even on TV against just about anyone and the fans would go nuts. Gimmick matches and everybody and their brother interfering just aren't doing it for me. But it's not horrifically bad either I adapt to the style of the promotion I watch which is why you generally dont hear me whining and complaiing about WWE because I know what to expect while I'm watching. When I first start watching TNA I was getting a lot more than I feel I'm getting now and the proof of this to me is I thought they would use some one like Joe well and by playing to his strengths they would boost him and at the same time themselves but I haven't seen any of what I expected and it seems to be getting worse.[/QUOTE] Couldn't agree with you more. The fact that shill sites like tnawrestlingnews were calling the Rhino/Angle/Christian match from two weeks ago "THE BEST IMPACT MATCH EVER!!11!1'" makes me alittle nauseous. All three guys' style seemed to mesh; the match was actually entertainng for decent stretches..so what does TNA do to pad it out? Run-ins from no less than SEVEN different wrestlers..a good chunk of the match is spent setting up 5 different storylines..and as the match is ending..(here's the part that bothered me the most) Angle is in the ring alone with Rhino: Angle has been getting the unbeatable treatment for months now and is being set up as a legit fighting champion. Rhino is TNA's jobber to the stars. So how does the match end? Despite the fact that Rhino already looked strong throughout the match by taking everything Angle could throw at him and also delivering a Gore through a table? James Storm (another run-in!) spits beer in Rhinos face so Angle can get the pin. Essentially...just another overbooked clusterf*ck from TNA. We are wrestling my ass.

[djthefunkchris]

[QUOTE=Apupunchau@optonline;256460]Like I said I didn't see the Joe/Kenta match I can only say what I heard. But basically I agree with you, the matches I have seen in ROH with him have been long and he's had the time to set up the matches and he can tell the story in the ring without ever once getting on the mic (although I do enjoy his mic work, "This Ain't MySpace, I'm not your friend, get the hell outta my ring" still always kills me.). TNA could let him go, even on TV against just about anyone and the fans would go nuts. Gimmick matches and everybody and their brother interfering just aren't doing it for me. But it's not horrifically bad either I adapt to the style of the promotion I watch which is why you generally dont hear me whining and complaiing about WWE because I know what to expect while I'm watching. When I first start watching TNA I was getting a lot more than I feel I'm getting now and the proof of this to me is I thought they would use some one like Joe well and by playing to his strengths they would boost him and at the same time themselves but I haven't seen any of what I expected and it seems to be getting worse.[/QUOTE] The biggest thing I couldn't stand in TNA was their ring. I don't know why, but it just "Looks" to me like it's about half the size of a normal ring, although I imagine it's just as big square foot wise. You know.... I don't think all the "Messy" stuff they do is necessarily a "Bad" thing, but I do think it's very boring when that's all they do.. For example, all the things that have been pointed out (7 run-in's in one match, etc.) would be totally awesome, if there was some sort of build up to it, instead of it just being "the norm". Even if say 60% of the time they had match's without all the run-in's, or maybe a higher percentage, then the run-in's would have more of an "Impact" when they happen. Having this on every show though takes the steam out of it.

[dvdWarrior]

[QUOTE=djthefunkchris;256514]The biggest thing I couldn't stand in TNA was their ring. I don't know why, but it just "Looks" to me like it's about half the size of a normal ring, although I imagine it's just as big square foot wise.[/QUOTE] For the record, I believe that the TNA ring may be the same size, square foot wise, as a traditional wrestling ring, but I think the WWE rings are still bigger. Seems like I read somewhere that Vince McMahon wanted his rings to be bigger, so that they'd be more like a stage for his performers to work on. I'm also pretty sure I read on some wrestler's web site, (I want to say it was Lance Storm's site, but it's been so long I'm not sure), that the WWE ring was bigger, and therefore took a little time to get used to after making the move from WCW. But all that's coming from things I'm "pretty sure" I read online years ago, it could all be wrong. :o

[djthefunkchris]

[QUOTE=dvdWarrior;256517]For the record, I believe that the TNA ring may be the same size, square foot wise, as a traditional wrestling ring, but I think the WWE rings are still bigger. Seems like I read somewhere that Vince McMahon wanted his rings to be bigger, so that they'd be more like a stage for his performers to work on. I'm also pretty sure I read on some wrestler's web site, (I want to say it was Lance Storm's site, but it's been so long I'm not sure), that the WWE ring was bigger, and therefore took a little time to get used to after making the move from WCW. But all that's coming from things I'm "pretty sure" I read online years ago, it could all be wrong. :o[/QUOTE] Ahh, that explains alot actually. I've always thought WWE/F had bigger rings then eveyrone else.. I think right around Wrestlemania 1 is when I started thinking that (Comparing it to the other ones at the time), I mean... That particular show seemed to be when it "grew". My memmory sucks though, it might have been the third one, or it might have been like that all along, and I just noticed because of the "Name's" that fit in there.

[flamebrain]

[QUOTE=PeterHilton;256441]C'mon..you seriously saying that Joe-Kenta or Joe-CM Punk was 20 TIMES better than Joe-Daniels-AJ? That match was amazing.[/QUOTE] But it IS! I'd go so far as to say a 10 year old kid jumping into the ring and yelling for his mom is cutting a better promo than [I]anyone[/I] in WWE or TNA right now! Because its [U]in an ROH ring[/U]... Sorry, I thought I'd reply in the style of a ROHbot there... I don't think Joe has "rejected" anything. He just hasn't signed on yet, suggesting maybe there's some more negotiation in store for both parties.

[Tyler Gadzinski]

[QUOTE=BIGJOSH;256431]TNA Wrestling News and Rajah are not exactly known for their accuracy. I heard from an inside source that this was just a bunch of bullcrap...Joe is locked up for another year and won't be going anywhere any time soon.[/QUOTE] Ive too heard he still has a year left on his TNA contract... and way things are going having him BEAT Kurt I think he'll stay. I dont think he'll go to WWE as hes already turned down multiple contracts they've offered him... Also AJ Styles has turned down multiple contracts sent to him from WWE.