Vista Users: 07 for 08?

[NateRupe]

This is a question mainly for Adam Ryland, I have a vista computer and I experience the problems with TEW 2007 constantly, [I]constantly[/I] shutting down out of nowhere, I tried using the threads to help fix it but I'm not great with a computer so I haven't been able to do much but improve from 10 to 15. The point is though I paid $35 to play a pretty awesome game, not reset my computer 50 times... so I think it would be fair if Vista users would be able to exchange TEW 07 for TEW 08? Because I think I read somewhere Adam saying that he was doing something to make the game work on vista... If not it's basically a ripoff because I've done my best to fix it and can't :confused: On a lighter note awesome game, I lost interest for a while but now I started playing on the CornellVerse and really like the game again.

[Akki]

Yeah... I agree, but it's still an awesome game, and worth $35, especially if you take the time to get it to run as well as it can. I'm pretty sure your idea won't happen, though. Nice try.

[Craig Edwards]

This most likely wont happen as there is noway to tell who has Vista and who doesn't

[Basmat01]

WMMA works alot better on my computer (I have Vista) I got between 8-12 months of game time before it froze where 07 It would freeze every month. I think Adam said something about using what he did for WMMA in 08

[T-Jay]

Here's a sure fire way to be able to play TEW2007 on Vista without it crashing. I've now had it running for 6 days straight. 1. Go Here -> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx[/url] Download Virtual PC 2007. Get a copy of WinXP and install it within the Virtual PC environment. Once XP is installed install TEW07 on it and voila. No Vista crashes. Granted it's a bit of stuffing about but is the best work around without dual booting with XP. Also probably a good idea to get a free copy of AVG antivirus for the Virtual XP as it will still be online through your Vista net connection. Also if you install the Additions mod in the Action menu you can then drag and drop files from vista to Virtual XP.

[Adam Ryland]

See T-Jay's post, or the similar one in the Tech Support forum, so far it has a 100% track record of working. In answer to the question, no, exchanges are not feasible.

[NateRupe]

Where do I get WinXP? Is it free? Because I'm not able to buy anything right now.

[T-Jay]

Windows XP is still available from most computer stores. Try the smaller local computer places for cheaper copies. Even ebay or amazon.com might be a good solution. You could also ask friends/family to see if they have a copy of XP they no longer use.

[Plus-44]

[QUOTE=Adam Ryland;382795]See T-Jay's post, or the similar one in the Tech Support forum, so far it has a 100% track record of working. In answer to the question, no, exchanges are not feasible.[/QUOTE] So not only do they have to buy the TEW 2007 game, but after they do that and find out it crashes on Vista, your suggestion is to go out and purchase another copy of Windows XP in order to properly play your game? I mean, you don't have anything saying the game don't work on Vista when they go to purchase it, and then after they do purchase it not knowing that the game won't work on Vista, they get to find the above out. Maybe it's just me, or someone who works for GDS should try and put that there so customers who only have Vista aren't scammed for their money. I'm sure I'll get bashed for this, but it's very unethical to sell the game without a warning for Vista users, almost a scam in some cases like this guy who paid the $35.

[benjacko]

I just log off and back in when it does it, much quicker than restarting :).

[Moe Hunter]

[QUOTE=Plus-44;382868]So not only do they have to buy the TEW 2007 game, but after they do that and find out it crashes on Vista, your suggestion is to go out and purchase another copy of Windows XP in order to properly play your game? I mean, you don't have anything saying the game don't work on Vista when they go to purchase it, and then after they do purchase it not knowing that the game won't work on Vista, they get to find the above out. Maybe it's just me, or someone who works for GDS should try and put that there so customers who only have Vista aren't scammed for their money. I'm sure I'll get bashed for this, but it's very unethical to sell the game without a warning for Vista users, almost a scam in some cases like this guy who paid the $35.[/QUOTE] *sigh*. Seriously, this has been so vastly covered in the Tech Support forum it's not funny. Vista was barely even out when TEW07 was released, and certainly Adam could not possibly have been able to program, develop or test the game on Vista. It did not list Vista in its list of compatible Operating Systems. Also not listed are Mac OSX, Linux, etc. - because it doesn't work on them either. You don't see anyone who bought it complaining that it doesn't work on their MacBook.

[hurricanendp]

[QUOTE=Plus-44;382868]So not only do they have to buy the TEW 2007 game, but after they do that and find out it crashes on Vista, your suggestion is to go out and purchase another copy of Windows XP in order to properly play your game? I mean, you don't have anything saying the game don't work on Vista when they go to purchase it, and then after they do purchase it not knowing that the game won't work on Vista, they get to find the above out. Maybe it's just me, or someone who works for GDS should try and put that there so customers who only have Vista aren't scammed for their money. I'm sure I'll get bashed for this, but it's very unethical to sell the game without a warning for Vista users, almost a scam in some cases like this guy who paid the $35.[/QUOTE] As Moe said above, this was covered a hell of a lot in the Tech forum, i was actually one of the people that was talking about false advertising, however, and it's a big however, there's alot of people that it doesn't seem to work for on Vista, and there's a whole hell of a lot more (including me) that have no problems with running TEW on Vista, and that's without Virtual PC or whatever. So for you to critisise and say that there should be a warning saying it doesn't work on Vista would mean Adam adding a false statement onto his game, because the game [B]does[/B] work on Vista, just depends on certain specs, memory issues etc.

[NateRupe]

Well like I said I can't buy anything right now, so I can't even play the game :( I've tried to but I can't finish even one card without it crashing in the middle, is there any alternative that doesn't cost money? and is easy to do because I'm not good with a computer...

[Adam Ryland]

[QUOTE]So not only do they have to buy the TEW 2007 game, but after they do that and find out it crashes on Vista, your suggestion is to go out and purchase another copy of Windows XP in order to properly play your game? [/QUOTE] No, my suggestion is to try the other solutions listed first, and that XP is one alternative. [QUOTE]I mean, you don't have anything saying the game don't work on Vista when they go to purchase it, and then after they do purchase it not knowing that the game won't work on Vista, they get to find the above out. Maybe it's just me, or someone who works for GDS should try and put that there so customers who only have Vista aren't scammed for their money.[/QUOTE] There is a very clear message in the system requirements page: [I]We are aware that some users running this game under a Vista operating system have experienced problems with crashes caused by memory issues. Grey Dog Software highly recommends that all Vista users use the trial version of the game before purchase; this will allow you to check whether or not these issues would affect you.[/I] We're also very clear that people should try the demo first in all cases, even if they don't have Vista, so that they know what they're getting for their money. Someone would have to completely ignore the free demo and not bother reading the system requirements to run into problems. I'm not trying to "scam" anyone - and frankly I find that pretty offensive - the warnings are very clear.

[Akki]

[QUOTE=NateRupe;382887]Well like I said I can't buy anything right now, so I can't even play the game :( I've tried to but I can't finish even one card without it crashing in the middle, is there any alternative that doesn't cost money? and is easy to do because I'm not good with a computer...[/QUOTE] Restart your computer, or log off on on again. That's pretty much it. It shouldn't take too long unless you're running a lot of programs before you restart (which would probably be a reason for TEW07 crashing). If you can at least use the Task Manager, you can close some programs that take up a lot of memory. Also, go to the Tech Support Forum. It has a lot of different ideas for things you can try. As for the whole scam thing... I've seen worse, where I've bought a game (don't remember which one) which had everything fine on System Requirements, but when I got it, I found out that some other program on my computer prevented me from running it. That was BS. You can't say it works the same way with TEW, because at least you can play it for a while. I'm actually curious to know how far apart your cards are, and whether you mean you can't book two cards per play session. Also... SAVE A LOT!

[Michael Wayne]

TEW 07 wasn't even designed with Vista in mind, and certainly wasn't coded on a Vista machine. And since the spec don't say anywhere about the requirements being a Vista OS, I fail to see how this is false advertising. There's an old saying "buyer beware". People should have demoed the game first before rushing to purchase it, then crying cause they have problems with the game running on their pc.

[Greg McNeish]

I use Vista, and the program does crash a lot (not a memory issue, but every once in a while my CPU Usage shoots from 2% to 100%, and stays that way until the program is closed by Windows). That said, it's not terribly inconvenient, as it takes no more than 1 or 2 minutes to get back to where I was after logging out, then back in. Sure, it happens AT LEAST once per card that I'm booking (as well as when I'm Advanced Booking, most of the time), but I knew going in that Vista is a pile of crap (it came with the new computer, so I'm pretty much stuck with it). Also, it takes 2 seconds to click the Save button, then OK. I do that after EVERY SINGLE THING I DO. I have NEVER lost information because of the program crashing. This is hardly a scam. I had seen several places on the Grey Dog site (not even counting the forum), that either warn about Vista, or HEAVILY suggest that the Demo be thoroughly tried before purchasing ANY GDS game (not just TEW). I feel the necessity to apologize to Adam on the poster's behalf for the "scam" comment. I've been the victim of a scam artist in reality (several hundred dollars worth), and there is no lower form of life that someone who preys on another human being. You don't deserve the comparison. Have a good day, everyone.

[NateRupe]

I still think it would be fair for Vista users to be able to turn in their 07 code, it gets deactivated, and then they get an 08 code but of course somebody will lie so it's not going to happen anytime soon :( I guess I'll just try to put up with it but I don't see myself playing a whole lot now that I know it's just going to shut down again and again which sucks because $35 is a lot for me especially for a game.

[Michael Wayne]

[QUOTE=NateRupe;382939]I still think it would be fair for Vista users to be able to turn in their 07 code, it gets deactivated, and then they get an 08 code but of course somebody will lie so it's not going to happen anytime soon :( I guess I'll just try to put up with it but I don't see myself playing a whole lot now that I know it's just going to shut down again and again which sucks because $35 is a lot for me especially for a game.[/QUOTE] no offense, but TEW 07 has been out how long? And you're just coming out with this now? And you want to be able to get a free copy of 08 because of it? Why should you get a free 08' of out it? Because you failed to test the game on your pc first before blindly purchasing the same that pretty much says nothing about Vista under the system requirements? At least Adam and others are trying to find ways by which people can play on a game which is virtually unsupported on Vista. He could be like many programmers and just go "oh well, you bought the game, your loss". You're having problems with it running on Vista, and that's understandable. Others (Adam included) will try to help you out, but to say that you should be able to effectively get a "free" copy of 08 is ludicrous.. Then everyone else is going to want to "trade in" their TEW 07 license's for 08 ones.

[NateRupe]

I had it on a regular computer before switching it to my new vista, I didn't have any problems before and didn't think I would now. And saying I'm asking for a free one? I already paid for it, I was just thinking that it maybe worked like with regular Xbox games if you get one that doesn't work right you can exchange it for one that does.

[Thomnipotent]

TEW 07 doesn't work on my XBox 360. I want a refund. -cuts his arms in the shower-

[Michael Wayne]

[QUOTE=NateRupe;383089] And saying I'm asking for a free one? I already paid for it, I was just thinking that it maybe worked like with regular Xbox games if you get one that doesn't work right you can exchange it for one that does.[/QUOTE] fair enough, but TEW 08 is a totally new game. That's like buying a game at the store and taking back going "I bought this, but can I have Halo 3 instead?" With that aside, there's nothing wrong with the game. And other people with Vista (even though it's not "supported" and even though some still have issues) have gotten it to work. You'll just have to plough through it and find a way. If you really want to play it bad enough, you'll find a way to make it work. And I'm sure there is. But coming on here going "My TEW 07 doesn't work, I think I should get an 08' in exchange" is not the way to go about it.

[Basmat01]

[QUOTE=Thomnipotent;383098]TEW 07 doesn't work on my XBox 360. I want a refund. -cuts his arms in the shower-[/QUOTE] LMAO I say if the game dont work Stiff S*it

[panix04]

I have recently switched to Vista, when you buy a new machine you don't have much choise in the matter and my old rig was near to death! And TEW07 crashes a hell of a lot, despite having 4gb of Ram, a 2.7ghz duo-core processor and a very good graphics card. Now at the time TEW07 was created Vista wasn't around, but now that it is supplied with every PC you buy (and therefore is slowly becoming a standard as you would expect from any new microsoft OS) Will TEW08 be Vista compatible? I'm kind of worried it won't be, because TEW08 is going to be built around the TEW07 engine right? TEW07 has issues whilst running in Vista that Adam hasn't figured out (presumably if he knew what was causing the issues he would have patched them) So does that mean that until either Adam figures out what causes the issues in Vista, or TEW receives a rebuild from scratch. We won't see a completely Vista compatible TEW? I know this is a very difficult situation, because there are also backwards compatibility issues to worry about. If something is built that works in Vista, it might not neccasarily work in XP. But this is a worry for me, 'cos I don't know I have the technical smarts to figure out how to run XP in a seperate mode, plus i don't really want to shell out for a copy of XP just to run TEW, but on the other it is TEW! Any comment on the likely compatibility of TEW08? For the record I think the exchange idea was rather ill-conceived and I feel no dis-appointment at all about the situation with TEW07(despite the issues it is causing me!)

[MattQ2607]

Panix, This is what Adam wrote in the TEW 08 Faq. I have problems running TEW07 under Vista, has this been addressed in the new game? My last game, WMMA, had a lot of work done to it to make sure that it worked well under Vista; this seemed to be successful, judging by the lack of technical support queries about it. TEW08 incorporates (and improves upon) the techniques that were applied to WMMA, and so hopefully should perform just as well, if not better.