NickC13573 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 how many of you do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alden Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 in what way? I know how to count cards.....I grew up in vegas and my dad was a dealer before becoming a pit boss. He tought me how to count cards at around 18 when i asked. Never used it to be honest. If you are really good at match and use a low deck "table" it is not to hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickC13573 Posted March 3, 2008 Author Share Posted March 3, 2008 i know how to count cards as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alden Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 lol thought you were wanting to know how to my bad ;). you strike it rich yet :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickC13573 Posted March 3, 2008 Author Share Posted March 3, 2008 I was going to count cards to win enough money to buy a wrestling ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamGoddessLindsey Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 How does it work? Always sounded like simple odds calculation to me, yet it's always portrayed as being able to accurately predict things all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I'm not a fan of counting cards. Don't get me wrong I'm mad-gifted when it comes to mathematics, but it strikes me as too much work for a dishonest goal. I'm more of a slight-of-hand kinda guy. 7 Aces Biatch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningHamster Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 [QUOTE=Self;384855]I'm not a fan of counting cards. Don't get me wrong I'm mad-gifted when it comes to mathematics, but it strikes me as too much work for a dishonest goal. I'm more of a slight-of-hand kinda guy. 7 Aces Biatch![/QUOTE] Yeah does seem like a bit of work for a dishonest goal, and not fun work, maths type work. Me, I'm more of a confidence trickster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alden Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 [QUOTE=DreamGoddessLindsey;384815]How does it work? Always sounded like simple odds calculation to me, yet it's always portrayed as being able to accurately predict things all the time.[/QUOTE] in a sense it is "simple odd's calculation" but it does not take away the need to know how to play the game. I have always seen it as a "stradigy guide". If you are playing twenty one for instance. If you have say 16 and you know that alot of the four'ss and five's are out of the deck then you would be less incline to hit. It is in no way a "sure thing" and you need to have enough of a "bank roll" to play out the cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I've got a terrible memory but I can count cards fairly well for 1 or 2 decks. We play a lot of card games down at my girlfriend's and I have a bad habit of being able to win a lot. I'm good at most games though, I'm smart and as long as I know the rules I can work out how to win the game in question. I'm just goooooood. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamGoddessLindsey Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 So why is it considered cheating? Wouldn't it be more like reading people in Mafia? I mean, you're only using knowledge that you should have anyway in order to [i]skillfully[/i] win. All it does is make it more skill-based than luck-based, and I would think that would be plenty honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinesxe Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 [QUOTE=DreamGoddessLindsey;384988]So why is it considered cheating? Wouldn't it be more like reading people in Mafia? I mean, you're only using knowledge that you should have anyway in order to [i]skillfully[/i] win. All it does is make it more skill-based than luck-based, and I would think that would be plenty honest.[/QUOTE] The problem is if it was allowed there would be no way for the phrase "The house never Looses" to be true be it would be more so impossiable for them to win since the odds would be less on there side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickC13573 Posted March 3, 2008 Author Share Posted March 3, 2008 [QUOTE=DreamGoddessLindsey;384988]So why is it considered cheating? Wouldn't it be more like reading people in Mafia? I mean, you're only using knowledge that you should have anyway in order to [i]skillfully[/i] win. All it does is make it more skill-based than luck-based, and I would think that would be plenty honest.[/QUOTE] it is not illegal. Casinos throw you out because if you keep counting, they will lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akki Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Card counting without the use of a machine like a calculator or without paper is perfectly legal. But yeah, if you win a lot, whether by that method or by luck, a casino will give you your money, and then kick you out and not let you come back (or at least stop you from playing blackjack). They might even put you on the Black List (which is usually for actual cheaters), and then you probably wouldn't be able to go into any casino in Vegas or Atlantic City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamGoddessLindsey Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Sounds pretty underhanded. There needs to be regulation for that to stop the casinos from manipulating things. :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 [QUOTE=DreamGoddessLindsey;385010]Sounds pretty underhanded. There needs to be regulation for that to stop the casinos from manipulating things.[/QUOTE] It's a business. They have the right to refuse service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Most Vegas casinos use between 6-8 decks. Even if someone could count cards, all they are doing is tilting the odds in their favor; its not a sure thing. And realistically, if it was as easy as some people make it out to be, then the casinos at Vegas would be losing their shirts. And they aren't. Everyone and their mom says they have a system for winning in Vegas. And 99.9999999% are total bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallbanger Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 There are techniques that can minimize risk and even gain you short-term advantage. The issue with 99% of gamblers (including myself) is discipline. "Quit winners". It sounds so easy. But that win is a psychological high as powerful as vodka for a Kennedy. It takes a remarkable amount of will to walk away once you hit your session profit target. It takes twice as much will, it seems, to walk away after you've hit your session loss target. "The cards will come around. If I press my bet once that happens I'll be out of the hole in no time." I hear it all the time when I'm in the casino, and I have a story or two of my own. There's an interesting book called [URL="http://www.amazon.com/Bringing-Down-House-Students-Millions/dp/0099468239/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204578036&sr=8-2"]Bringing Down The House [/URL]-- not the greatest of prose, but the subject matter more than makes up for it, especially if you like Vegas stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 [QUOTE=Wallbanger;385075]There are techniques that can minimize risk and even gain you short-term advantage. The issue with 99% of gamblers (including myself) is discipline. "Quit winners". It sounds so easy. But that win is a psychological high as powerful as vodka for a Kennedy. It takes a remarkable amount of will to walk away once you hit your session profit target. It takes twice as much will, it seems, to walk away after you've hit your session loss target. "The cards will come around. If I press my bet once that happens I'll be out of the hole in no time." I hear it all the time when I'm in the casino, and I have a story or two of my own. There's an interesting book called [URL="http://www.amazon.com/Bringing-Down-House-Students-Millions/dp/0099468239/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204578036&sr=8-2"]Bringing Down The House [/URL]-- not the greatest of prose, but the subject matter more than makes up for it, especially if you like Vegas stories.[/QUOTE] Tremendously sound advice. This is why I stick to sports books. And only bet on sports that I follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alden Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 That is exactuly why i take a few hundred into a casino and to be honest expect to loose all of it. It is a good time to be honest, if you drink you get them for free *i get soda ;)* and well it is alot of fun to be at the tables and be on a "hot streak". to me if you win you win, if you loose well hell you expected to. But like has been said that is very hard to do and why alot of people loose alot of money. In all honesty most people are not going to "beat the house". As for card counting being illegal. Any place of business can refuse service to anyone they want for any reason they want. It is just that simple for casinos. You make to much money, they ask you to leave *sometimes ask is a understatment*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 And here's the thing...not all casinos will even do that. If they believe you are cheating or something I'm sure they might. But I've been at the Palms when guys get up HUUUUGE and they get comped a room or they might see some VIP treatment because.... let's face it..odds are..if you're one of those people who gambles big, you 'll win big every once in while, but eventually you lose big too. Also..as I said I don't play the tables..but I've been with someone who had a big night playing roulette and they ended up with a bunch of vouchers for free dinner and whatnot and got a free room upgrade. So it's not like these casinos are just cruelly throwing out anyone who gets way ahead. And not even the ones who they think are playing underhanded. Vegas is gong to come out ahead no matter what happens. It's a tourist trap more than anything. So it isn't anywhere near as mobbed up and shady as it used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamck Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 there is a movie coming out about counting cards called 21 has anyone heard of it I saw a commerical for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickC13573 Posted March 4, 2008 Author Share Posted March 4, 2008 i have it looks sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallbanger Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 [quote=PeterHilton;385204]And here's the thing...not all casinos will even do that. If they believe you are cheating or something I'm sure they might. But I've been at the Palms when guys get up HUUUUGE and they get comped a room or they might see some VIP treatment because.... let's face it..odds are..if you're one of those people who gambles big, you 'll win big every once in while, but eventually you lose big too.[/quote] Bingo. It's a fine line that the pit bosses, in partnership with security, have to walk. The competition between casinos for the mid-size player is pretty fierce, and they track EVERY bet you make. Last time I was in Vegas I scored about 5k playing dice and blackjack at the Venitian waiting for the Phantom show (unfortunately, most of that got spread around other casinos, see my post above). That was almost a year ago and I have had a host call me every two months since then asking when I was coming back so they could have a three-night comped room waiting for me. Of course they do -- they want their 5k back and more. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGW4LIFE Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Counting cards is a good way to make some nice bank playing blackjack. But I haven't played in so long (Moved on to Texas Hold 'em) I wonder if I still would be any good at counting? Maybe I should head over to the local casino boat and find out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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