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[Akki]

I saw the recently bumped B-Show thread on the TEW07 forum, and I came to some conclusions, which you can read over there. But those conclusion led me to think of a way to have B-Shows in TEW. I know Adam and others have said that it is illogical to run a show with the intended premise(for lack of a better word) that it is worse than another show. In fact, I even said that in the B-Shows thread. But a show like Heat isn't run with that purpose. It's used to give minor workers some TV experience without a huge audience watching if they bomb. There is no such thing as a standalone Heat taping. Why? No one would go. It's just part of the preshow of RAW. And yet it's on TV (or was in the US) and online. Here's my suggestion. After you have a TV deal already in place (the show must have been on for at least a season), you can then negotiate for a B-TV Show. Pretty much, when you go in for a New TV Deal (or when you REQUEST negotiations), there would be an option for B-TV. Selecting that would the give you a selection of what current show you would like it to precede, and the length (which would have to be shorter than the current show). Then you go through everything else, like day and timeslot. When you submit the offer, instead of looking at your promotion's prestige/popularity, it would use some precentage of that prestige/popularity in determining whether a B-TV show would be big enough to air on that network, in that timeslot. If you get the contract, you get the B-TV Show. Here's how it works in booking. When you go to book the A-TV Show, you will have not two parts (Dark Time and TV Time), but three parts. These will be Dark Time, Sub-Show, and Main Show. The Dark Time would again the optional, with the Sub-Show and the Main Show requiring their alloted time. The result of this is that the live audience experiences the whole show, which is what your Rating (Grade) for that show, along with everything else that related to the live audience, is based on. Then, just like it currently is in 07 (I'm pretty sure), the Main Show viewers on TV get only the Main portion, and the Sub-Show viewers get only the Sub portion. Rating and popularity would be handled differently once again. The same percentage that is used to calculate whether the B-TV Show gets on the air is used as part of expectations. That means that, if the percentage was 70% of popularity for a 100% popular promotion, a C+ show would be like an A*, but the popularity would only raise by 70% of what it would raise for an A*. If this is confusing, don't hesitate to ask for clarification.

[foolinc]

Wouldn't an easier way be just to have the Pre-Show extended to 40 minutes for all TV shows an hour and over.

[alden]

It is a intresting idea to be honest I think it can easily be exploited. For instance, if a 70 percent show would be like a 100 percent show but you would only raise 70 percent what is to stop somone from bring in all the main eventers to the "b" show, running a great event that is judged easyer then normal and raising the popularity that way? There would have to be a penalty for useing to "over of workers" I think.

[Akki]

[QUOTE=alden;386903]It is a intresting idea to be honest I think it can easily be exploited. For instance, if a 70 percent show would be like a 100 percent show but you would only raise 70 percent what is to stop somone from bring in all the main eventers to the "b" show, running a great event that is judged easyer then normal and raising the popularity that way? There would have to be a penalty for useing to "over of workers" I think.[/QUOTE] I agree there would have to be limitations, but this was pretty much my proposal for how something like this could work without the argument that you're booking a standalone show that's inherently worse than another one.

[Akki]

[QUOTE=foolinc;386902]Wouldn't an easier way be just to have the Pre-Show extended to 40 minutes for all TV shows an hour and over.[/QUOTE] An easier way to do what, though?

[foolinc]

[QUOTE=Akki;386906]An easier way to do what, though?[/QUOTE] Give match time to more of the undercard without hurting the promotion's overall overness, which is the point of shows like HEAT.

[Akki]

[QUOTE=foolinc;386909]Give match time to more of the undercard without hurting the promotion's overall overness, which is the point of shows like HEAT.[/QUOTE] I think the point is also to give them some TV exposure, which dark time can't do. Otherwise, Heat wouldn't exist.

[dvdWarrior]

I've always liked the idea of true B shows being included in TEW, even if they were syndicated or something, and booked the same way house shows are. I usually just pretend my dark matches are available for download at my promotion's website. It'd be nice if there were something more than that though. :)

[Jonfun]

We need a b show, its that simple.

[foolinc]

[QUOTE=Jonfun;386948]We need a b show, its that simple.[/QUOTE] What type of B-Show are you referring to? A B-Show like Smackdown and Superstars, or current day HEAT? If it's current day HEAT, use your Pre-Show time. The overness might not go up globally, but they'll get match experience and momentum. If it's a Superstar type of B-Show, then make sure you have a strong main event and some high rated promos to save the show.

[Akki]

[QUOTE=foolinc;386974]What type of B-Show are you referring to? A B-Show like Smackdown and Superstars, or current day HEAT? If it's current day HEAT, use your Pre-Show time. The overness might not go up globally, but they'll get match experience and momentum. [/QUOTE] Once again, I don't think you're appreciating the concept of actually HAVING a B-Show.

[mistaken]

B-show, it's the only way, infact it was those "B-shows" on saturday afternoons that got me into wrestling as a child, i had no idea those "no body" wrestlers were the under card, i learned to love them, by the time we got cable, they were main eventers and i had rooted for them for years! B-shows rule, it's that simple.

[KeyserSoze]

But I can see the problem of the B-show as a problem of gameplay. In a game for each decision there must be the chance of good things or bad things. And I can see where is the drawback of the B shows. You can improve and give overness to your worse workers without the risk of lossing overness in your company. Of course if there is a potential negative impact of the B show that compensate the profits, well, it can be a good thing. (for example that if you put a lot a worker in the B show, he can be upset by being considered a b-worker). But I don't want a feature that could break the equilibrium of the game.

[Jonfun]

If I done a brand split with DAVE I would like to make my second half a up and coming brand so they would not be main eventers. Thats why I want a B-show.

[Michael Wayne]

[QUOTE=Akki;387014]Once again, I don't think you're appreciating the concept of actually HAVING a B-Show.[/QUOTE] You keep citing Heat as an example forgetting the fact that Heat was used for years as a show to "put over ppvs". Very little wrestling happens and a lot of time was spent on angles. They loaded the show with stuff to get you to order the ppvs for that night. And on the nights where there weren't ppvs, yes; the show had an undercard premise. However guys like Benoit worked the main event. The main event was never "Eugene vs so and so". So even the show with a premise like Heat can't get away with an "all undercard event". And even then, Heat was still used to put over things that had happened during the week. Storylines, promos, recaps...

[dvdWarrior]

When I think of B Shows, the first that comes to mind for me is usually WCW Saturday Night. To be honest, I could probably get a decent rating booking a show like that in TEW - just feature a pretty good main event, some of the main event stars in interview segments or hype videos, and matches with the rising young stars, with the occasional upper midcarder slipping in there just for good measure.

[foolinc]

[QUOTE=Jonfun;387041]If I done a brand split with DAVE I would like to make my second half a up and coming brand so they would not be main eventers. Thats why I want a B-show.[/QUOTE] Well then you are going to have to pay the consequences of running a show like that. There is a reason why ECW is an hour show @ 10 on Sci-Fi and that Smackdown had Batista constantly getting rematches. The B-Show (which is really a B-Brand) you are looking for is easily doable in TEW 07: 1. Put the show on either a small national network like Pop! or a reigional network in whatever region your home base is. This way you will do the least amount of damage to your pop while getting the talent over in the areas that will be most advantous to the promotion. 2. Assign some over wrestlers to the 2nd brand. Even though the 2nd brand should be be about the up and coming talent you need some over guys for various reasons. First and foremost, it's a hell of a lot easier to get the new talent when there is over people to give them the rub. Secondly, your undercard is most likely going to score poorly, so you are going to need high quality main events to help save the show. 3. Abuse 5/6+ minutes angles. This goes hand and hand with using your over guys to produce quality main events to save the show. Long angles affect the show in the same way a match does for the card and is another way to give unkonwn wrestlers a rub.

[foolinc]

[QUOTE=dvdWarrior;387052]When I think of B Shows, the first that comes to mind for me is usually WCW Saturday Night. To be honest, I could probably get a decent rating booking a show like that in TEW - just feature a pretty good main event, some of the main event stars in interview segments or hype videos, and matches with the rising young stars, with the occasional upper midcarder slipping in there just for good measure.[/QUOTE] Bingo!

[Akki]

[QUOTE=Michael Wayne;387047]You keep citing Heat as an example forgetting the fact that Heat was used for years as a show to "put over ppvs". Very little wrestling happens and a lot of time was spent on angles. They loaded the show with stuff to get you to order the ppvs for that night. And on the nights where there weren't ppvs, yes; the show had an undercard premise. However guys like Benoit worked the main event. The main event was never "Eugene vs so and so". So even the show with a premise like Heat can't get away with an "all undercard event". And even then, Heat was still used to put over things that had happened during the week. Storylines, promos, recaps...[/QUOTE] YEARS? Hell, nothing major happened before a PPV on the majority of Heat shows. A few of them, like the Rumble, had qualifying or whatever, but nothing else. When Benoit wrestled there, he wasn't really a Main Eventer, he was closer to the midcard. By the time he was in the Main Event, which was around 2003, he wasn't on Heat or Velocity. I think the only major things that happened on Velocity were some debuts, like Kennedy or Kazarian, or a CW title switch or two. Heat had plenty of Eugene main events, as well as guys like Maven. Usually the only things having to do with guys above the midcard on the B-shows were recap packages or, very rarely, re-shows of matches.

[Deadman36g]

B-Shows and TV Specials will be a huge selling point to me and several others for this game. I hope they do make it this year (they were one of the main reasons I didn't pay for 2007)