takertitan Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 I liked this in EWR, kind of. I like the idea of workers being able to ask for more money esp if they have gone from no overness to a main eventer in 1 contract. My example of this is in my current game i have pushed Grandmaster Phunk to the moon(A+ overness) but he still makes little to no money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akki Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 [QUOTE=takertitan;395275]I liked this in EWR, kind of. I like the idea of workers being able to ask for more money esp if they have gone from no overness to a main eventer in 1 contract. My example of this is in my current game i have pushed Grandmaster Phunk to the moon(A+ overness) but he still makes little to no money.[/QUOTE] He signed a contract, he has to live with it. A contract is a contract, and the only thing he can do is wait for his to run out or quit. That's just how it works in real life. They could beg for more money all they want, but why should I give it to them when they signed a contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistaken Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 [QUOTE=Akki;395291]He signed a contract, he has to live with it. A contract is a contract, and the only thing he can do is wait for his to run out or quit. That's just how it works in real life. They could beg for more money all they want, but why should I give it to them when they signed a contract?[/QUOTE] I've always wondered how sports athletes get away with that. if they feel they should get a new contract the pout like spoiled brats not already making 10 mill a year, until they get a 20 mil a year contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akki Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 [QUOTE=mistaken;395294]I've always wondered how sports athletes get away with that. if they feel they should get a new contract the pout like spoiled brats not already making 10 mill a year, until they get a 20 mil a year contract.[/QUOTE] I guess they threaten to quit. Some have been called on their bluffs and been fired. Maybe in the game this could be done related to personality. Like a Kevin Nash-type would probably demand more money or quit. But someone like Chris Jericho would probably be thankful that they've made it big and would be willing to wait for more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day_Dreamer Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 well, in sports, athletes have options, so they can hold out, threaten to quit etc. And also for the franchise, they can trade him if they dont wanna pay him, but wrestlers dont have that privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 [QUOTE=mistaken;395294]I've always wondered how sports athletes get away with that. if they feel they should get a new contract the pout like spoiled brats not already making 10 mill a year, until they get a 20 mil a year contract.[/QUOTE] They really only get to do it in (American Sports) football. They can do it because their contracts are non-guaranteed. If their performance slips from when they sign a contract they'll be cut without hesitation, so naturally if they over-perform they expect to get more money. Baseball and basketball have guaranteed contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day_Dreamer Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 [QUOTE=justtxyank;395354]They really only get to do it in (American Sports) football. They can do it because their contracts are non-guaranteed. If their performance slips from when they sign a contract they'll be cut without hesitation, so naturally if they over-perform they expect to get more money. Baseball and basketball have guaranteed contracts.[/QUOTE] And in wrestling, people hesitate before cutting someone?? I get your point though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 [QUOTE=Day_Dreamer;395359]And in wrestling, people hesitate before cutting someone?? I get your point though.[/QUOTE] I'll be honest, I don't know anything about the legal structure of wrestling contracts. It's possible they are single side guaranteed? There may also be buyout clauses, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akki Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 [QUOTE=justtxyank;395363]I'll be honest, I don't know anything about the legal structure of wrestling contracts. It's possible they are single side guaranteed? There may also be buyout clauses, etc.[/QUOTE] Well, Lesnar bought out his contract for a quite a large sum of money and a no-compete clause until 2010. Then he sued and the clause was eliminated at least in Japan. That was part of an undisclosed settlement. And Day_Dreamer, how do you know that there's no hesitation in firing someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praguepride Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 I have begun to wonder if taketitan has actually played TEW extensively before posting about "wants" in '08. He talked about pushing Phunk to the moon, but wait until his next contract negotiation when Phunk goes from $500 to $5,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day_Dreamer Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 [QUOTE=Akki;395367] And Day_Dreamer, how do you know that there's no hesitation in firing someone?[/QUOTE] I just guessed that if there was any hesitation, we wouldn't be seeing as many layovers as we generally do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takertitan Posted March 27, 2008 Author Share Posted March 27, 2008 i been playing Adam's games since EWR. i own every game he has ever released, and i work as a programmer at a Cell Phone Game company. Maybe i do know a thing or 2 about video games.... nah, you must be right praguepride, you sitting at home watching wrestling 24/7 and being afraid of the sunlight must know more then me. */sarcasim off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praguepride Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 eh maybe I was a little harsh, I apologize. It just seems that you post before thinking things through. Although if that's a crime then everyone on the internet (including myself) should be held to capital punishment. I know I've burned through my three strikes. The point is that when you sign a contract, you're bound to that contract (unless you can legally prove that it was an unlawful contract... good luck with that) So if you sign up for 8 months at $500 a show, you're stuck until you either a) cancel the contract or b) wait for the contract to expire. Not being able to change a contract midway through is more realistic, plus it avoids the annoying parts of WMMA where you have to re-negotiate after almost every show because everyone always wants more money. Also, it's not my fault, the sunlight hurts my eyes :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alden Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 as far as wrestling contracts go it depends on what type they have. The majority of wrestling are working on a pay per apperience base. They can get more or less depending on several things. If a has raised attendence a few hundred or more then he would expect more money. If a person is selling alot of product then he would expect more money. then again if he is underperforming then ofcourse he would not make as much. if they are on a "writen" contact as almost if not all of the wwe guys are then they usally have to wait for there contracts to expire in most cases. They can ask for more and some times the contracts can be redone but unless they are super over it is not going to happen. The wrestles do have options. They can pull a warrior and "hold up" a promoter. Basicly refusing to go out unless they get more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rams Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I wouldn't mind seeing workers request more money if they suddenly get popular. While you wouldn't have to give them a raise it would effect a workers moral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Wolf Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I want workers to get the Kevin Nash WCW contract. Nobody in the compnay can get paid more than me. If you hire some one for more than I make my pay goes up so I'm payed more. Then you get all your friends to come work for the company and they keep asking for more money so you always get paid more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takertitan Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 also, old WWF during the Hogan era, the champion always got a fat chunk extra for being champ(i think it was like %13 of the gross). The basic idea is to help give the jerk wrestlers who are there for money and whatnot to be more of a pain to the booker. If i want to go out and sign Hogan to a contract, i have to deal with him. He is going to want more money whenever possible. He is going to want to main event every show. He is not going to work house shows. ... list goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Wayne Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 [QUOTE=Apupunchau@optonline;395687]I want workers to get the Kevin Nash WCW contract. Nobody in the compnay can get paid more than me. If you hire some one for more than I make my pay goes up so I'm payed more. Then you get all your friends to come work for the company and they keep asking for more money so you always get paid more.[/QUOTE] Bret made more than Kevin. His jump from WWF to WCW made him the highest paid guy in the industry. Even above Hogan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodzillahotrod Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 [QUOTE=Michael Wayne;395796]Bret made more than Kevin. His jump from WWF to WCW made him the highest paid guy in the industry. Even above Hogan.[/QUOTE] i remember hearing about that haha poor hogan.... besides that i wouldn't mind seeing a wrestler email u and request depending on a lot of things though like his personality stat. i wouldn't want to see a wrestler who is the most nicest guy in the world request more money until his contract is up, but a guy who is a manipulator would be asking everytime he goes up in his pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedraem41 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I've read over this forum and I think it's a great idea especially with the new neural stats. It would give the workers even more personality. I can't think of a Cornellverse character that would act like Hogan with all the demands, but it would be realistic for the manipulators and the greedy to ask for raises and grosses on shows they main event. It'd make you second guess hiring that National Hero. I can imagine them coming in and demanding to hold a certain title. I don't like the plain Main Event title checks, I think they should demand a certain title(to take away from the cheating). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob4590 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 [QUOTE=thedraem41;395879]I can't think of a Cornellverse character that would act like Hogan with all the demands, but it would be realistic for the manipulators and the greedy to ask for raises and grosses on shows they main event.[/QUOTE] Big Smack Scott :p or Bryan Vessey :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 While a great suggestion, the problem I see with it is, where do you draw the line? Some schmooze wins 3 matches and all of a sudden thinks he deserves a raise? Are you nuts? Even Kevin Nash isn't THAT egotistical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takertitan Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 clearly it would not be after 3 matches, but a couple of events that happens. stuff like...: Sudden popularity boost. Jump from midcard to mainevent quick. top workers leaving, he becomes the star attraction. you hire someone who he consideres worth less and pay him more. he is gods gift to wrestling, and thinks he should be paid as such. he wins a major title. ... On the note of money, it would be cool if you could ask someone to take less money. ALA Vince with Bret before he left. Bret was asked to backload his contract so that Vince could pay him later. Both parties agreed till Vince screwed him over. and finally, on the topic of contracts, being able to backload someones contract would also be cool. Alot of people had backloaded contracts in WCW(nash made 1/2 his money on the last year of his contract after WCW closed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praguepride Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I think this will just increase the micromanagement and also frustrate many players. Having a big roster 30+ workers means that you'll be having to do contract negotiations often enough without having to "re-do" them. Plus a system like that has a distinct possibility of frustrating smaller promotions that can't afford to be constantly shilling out more money every time someone wins a title. You mention all these big time people like Bret and Hogan, but they represent a very small percentage of the wrestling industry. I don't believe many workers can "name their own price" nor can many of them get away with redoing their contract whenever they feel like it. I believe the majority just have to take what they can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodzillahotrod Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 thats y we're saying after a certain amount of fame.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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