My 2 cents, things that should be in

[skumdkATgmailDOTcom]

1. How about adding the role Ring Announcer, all im seeing is that Lillian Garcia and Howard Finkle getting fired all the time, it would be a nice easy small addition to get game. 2. More involvment from the Booking team, i mean - what exactly do they do right now?.. Its a part of the game that should be developed even more.. Examples 1. We should book wrestling x with wrestler y, that would make a good feud 2. At this time it would make sense to change the gimmick on wrestler x 3. At this time you should turn wrestler x to face/heel At those sorts of things 3. Instead of Authority figure, how about GM, Assistant GM, Owner those sorts of roles. 4. Trainers?, Maybe even settings that could tell the wrestlers on what kind of stat they should improve their skills in.. 5. Spanish announcers?, the TNA and WWE Spanish PPV guys always gets fired.. You could also add Japanese and European employes and that would help your popularity in those markets.. That was what i could think of..

[Self]

[QUOTE=skumdkATgmailDOTcom;402405]1. How about adding the role Ring Announcer, all im seeing is that Lillian Garcia and Howard Finkle getting fired all the time, it would be a nice easy small addition to get game.[/QUOTE] I agree. At live shows, the ring announcer IS the guy who presents the show, and at the moment, with the 'Choose Announcer' thing, it seems to lean far more towards choosing a television style Play by Play + Colour Commentator Team. The importance of the Ring Announcer role seems to be being ignored. Example. Lillian Garcia was very comptetant at a RAW house show I was on. She made it a pleasant experience, and was very doable. On the other hand, the Ring Announcer at some indy show I was at was terrible. She kept trying to push American workers on us as the good guys, and didn't twig when we boo'd the crap out of them, and her. She hurt the product. [QUOTE=skumdkATgmailDOTcom;402405]2. More involvment from the Booking team, i mean - what exactly do they do right now?.. Its a part of the game that should be developed even more..[/QUOTE] I agree that the Booking Team is a bit pointless at the moment, but I'd rather see them removed completely than have them offering game-playing advice. Then again, it could be an "Easy Mode" type thing for newbies. I'd love to get "You should turn wrestler x heel" or "Think about hiring wrestler y" type messages, but I think their quality should be varied, and not always with your best interests at heart. [QUOTE=skumdkATgmailDOTcom;402405]3. Instead of Authority figure, how about GM, Assistant GM, Owner those sorts of roles.[/QUOTE] Bit WWE/TNA specific. Authority Figure is nice and neutral. [QUOTE=skumdkATgmailDOTcom;402405]4. Trainers?, Maybe even settings that could tell the wrestlers on what kind of stat they should improve their skills in..[/QUOTE] I can dig that. I seem to recall EWR training camps being quite cool. No opinion on that last one. Good ideas, some cool things to discuss.

[praguepride]

A couple rebuttle points: 1) As discussed many times, what about the numerous small promotions that do not have a "ring annoncer" role? If you look at it statistically, I'd imagine that very few promotions have such a bloated budget that they can have a person who's sole job is just to announce the next match. I would say that most promotions just use their Announcer. Plus, what would a ring announcer actually do game wise? I don't believe that a good or bad ring announcer would do anything for or against a match, their part in it is so trivial it's not really worth putting into the game. As for your concerns about ring announcers getting fired, remember this game is not a reality simulator, but a game that focuses on certain aspects of wrestling, not just WWE. Therefore you might want to think about just removing them from the game, as they're pretty much useless clutter. 2. Already discussed in numerous other threads. Next. 3. Once again, different feds of different sizes have all sorts of needs. While it is true that the WWE has probably close to a dozen "Authority Figure" slots, I don't think that a smaller fed would need a GM, a Commissioner etc. etc. as those types of roles are really tied solely to the SE world. Once you leave the SE market, authority figures aren't used, which is why the role is a) optional and b) generic. If you want to beat WWE and come up with two dozen authority figures, you can. THe game doesn't limit you to a specific number of authority figures. Finally, you mentioned all these different authority figure roles but how would they be different from each other. Angle wise they all book matches and interfere with the "natural" booking, so how would they be different from each other, different enough to warrent all these different positions? All that without adding a bunch of arbitrary limitations that don't really make sense like "onlly GM's can interfere with title matches etc. etc.) 4. Again this horse has already been beaten dead. No further beatings are necessary. 5. You only need "foreign" announcers when you travel to different countries. I have not tested it but I think that a spanish announcer would be more popular in mexico so therefore they might have a better effect because of their increased popularity. In reality though, once again the problem is that mod makers feel they have to freeze frame the credits and add every single roadie and boom hand into the game, and inevitably someone complains that the WWE fires a bunch of people right off the bat. This game will NEVEr represent reality, reality is just too complicated. Instead it focuses on a small slice, the booking. You don't need to worry about spanish announcers because it doesn't really effect the booking. So in conclusion, here's my advice. Streamline your database a bit and delete all those useless people that get fired right off the bat and just sit there useless for the rest of your game.

[Eddy Snow]

[QUOTE=praguepride;402427]A couple rebuttle points: 1) As discussed many times, what about the numerous small promotions that do not have a "ring annoncer" role? If you look at it statistically, I'd imagine that very few promotions have such a bloated budget that they can have a person who's sole job is just to announce the next match. I would say that most promotions just use their Announcer. Plus, what would a ring announcer actually do game wise? I don't believe that a good or bad ring announcer would do anything for or against a match, their part in it is so trivial it's not really worth putting into the game. As for your concerns about ring announcers getting fired, remember this game is not a reality simulator, but a game that focuses on certain aspects of wrestling, not just WWE. Therefore you might want to think about just removing them from the game, as they're pretty much useless clutter. [/QUOTE] In my experience EVERY promotion has a ring announcer, and normally in smaller promotions they do double up as the Play-by-Play guy. Perhaps if it was implemented to simulate real life it could copy the 'mini. wrestlers needed' so smaller promotions wouldn't really need one that is strictly just a ring announcer, but getting to regional would require one, then if a company has a brand spilt it needs one for each additional brand.

[Ping von Erich]

Every promotion on earth has a ring announcer, local promotions with ten people in the audience have someone to welcome the fans and announce the wrestlers. Also, foreign language announce teams aren't just for touring promotions.. as was said, WWE and TNA both have Spanish announcers for their programs employed by the promotion to dub over Spanish play by play and color for Spanish language television. It might be a cool idea to have a little tick box or a specific push for a Spanish or other foreign language announce team. As for the authority figure push.. I say nix it completely, anything that's not an active wrestler push, manager, announcer, color commentator, or road agent needs to just fall under the "personality" category. Just signify an authority figure with an authority figure gimmick. The "authority figure" push is hard to regulate when you auto push your roster, as the AI pushes oddball people under that role, usually not the person you want.

[djthefunkchris]

[QUOTE=skumdkATgmailDOTcom;402405]1. How about adding the role Ring Announcer, all im seeing is that Lillian Garcia and Howard Finkle getting fired all the time, it would be a nice easy small addition to get game.[/QUOTE] I would like that to be in the game. Depending on the size of your promotion, people might expect or not expect that (especially at live show's). Instead of a drop down list for 3 announcer's, we get up to four. One of them being the Ring Announcer. However, a small promotion would only need one announcer period, as a huge one, would probably be expected to have two at the table, one at the ring. [QUOTE=skumdkATgmailDOTcom;402405]2. More involvment from the Booking team, i mean - what exactly do they do right now?.. Its a part of the game that should be developed even more.. Examples 1. We should book wrestling x with wrestler y, that would make a good feud 2. At this time it would make sense to change the gimmick on wrestler x 3. At this time you should turn wrestler x to face/heel At those sorts of things.[/QUOTE] I would rather them comment on how well certain people seem to work together, or not, for shows we arleady booked, or ... as the pre-show does with when we set people to be partners, feud, or whatever, and we get that Email. Bassically, this is in there. I would like it to be availabe not only be email, but when you talk to them as well. IT could be something that is too much to add though. Since it's already in there, I'm not really having this feature be on the forefront. You get a message when a wrestler is stale, etc.. I always imagine that comes from your road agents or bookers. [QUOTE=skumdkATgmailDOTcom;402405]3. Instead of Authority figure, how about GM, Assistant GM, Owner those sorts of roles.[/QUOTE] AF cover's it. I think the bigger the promotion is, the more you can fit into that slot.. If not, it should be in there (especially when dealing with brands). However, I think this is one of those things that we will see from another feature, already announced. The one about treating brands seperately.. hope that includes rosters and all. [QUOTE=skumdkATgmailDOTcom;402405]4. Trainers?, Maybe even settings that could tell the wrestlers on what kind of stat they should improve their skills in..[/QUOTE] The mroe options we have on how to train a worker, the better. I think we've had a few options, I would definately like more (especially for developments). [QUOTE=skumdkATgmailDOTcom;402405]5. Spanish announcers?, the TNA and WWE Spanish PPV guys always gets fired.. You could also add Japanese and European employes and that would help your popularity in those markets.. That was what i could think of..[/QUOTE] I wouldn't mind the AI going specifically after announcer's that can speak specific languages, if they are in an area that calls for it. Most the time though, they can be translated by type on the bottum of the screen. Again, not really something I would put over other features.

[lazorbeak]

I do think it would be cool if there was a recognized distinction between live and TV announcers. What about Spanish announcers for shows that air in areas with significant Spanish-speaking populations? As far as booking teams go, what I really want is kind of an expanded "talk to worker" section that's more like the advisers from the old Sim-City games. In addition to general stuff about how they're personally being used, they could offer opinions about how they feel about the promotion (which would effect morale more than just being used in every third show), who they think should be pushed (based on their booking style and their friends), and whether I should cut my transportation budget. Seriously though, it would be pretty cool, and it would organically lead to the kind of real-life changes booking teams go through all the time, but never have in TEW. Think about a guy like Cornette, and how upset he would be if he doesn't like the promotion's direction or who's being pushed, or matches end in non-finishes. It would also lead to great situations where pleasing your booking committee becomes a goal, so you might not just automatically push a guy just because he's talented (again, like real-life). If the booking committee says "push X-Pac," then, by god, X-Pac will never lose a singles match, even if D'Lo Brown is a better worker. The booking committee could be the figure-heads of the promotion, and fallings-out like BHOTWG or NJPW could happen for a tangible clash of egos. Really, I just want this feature so I can play a WCW mod and ask Hogan or Nash who I should push and get a screen like this: "Hollywood Hogan is reasonably happy with the direction of the promotion. Hollywood Hogan recommends you push: 1. Hollywood Hogan 2. Randy Savage (1 week later, you'd get a note saying to bury Savage) 3. The Giant 4. Buff Bagwell (high look, no skills) 5. Goldberg (ditto) So WCW players would not be able to immediately make Chris Jericho or Eddie Guerrero a world champion without half the roster being extremely unhappy. In addition to just a list of guys to push, a guy that favored entertainment would be happy if you had high rated angles and entertaining segments, while an old school guy might get frustrated by your dusty finishes in every match. I don't see it as an "easy mode" so much as the potential to make your life a pain in the ass, which, let's face it, is fun! If you're playing a game with a certain global mod, you have virtually unlimited funds, creative freedom, and the best roster money can buy. Pleasing a booking committee and dealing with big egos might actually make playing as a big promotion fun for something other than the ability to put on A* rated matches on a semi-regular basis.

[justtxyank]

[QUOTE=Ping von Erich;402449] As for the authority figure push.. I say nix it completely, anything that's not an active wrestler push, manager, announcer, color commentator, or road agent needs to just fall under the "personality" category. Just signify an authority figure with an authority figure gimmick. The "authority figure" push is hard to regulate when you auto push your roster, as the AI pushes oddball people under that role, usually not the person you want.[/QUOTE] I am quoting this portion of your post because I agree with it entirely.

[crayon]

Agree there needs to be more use for your booking team. But any additions would need to be governed by their booking skills.. so you're gonna get a large percentage of crap advice from people with low ratings, as opposed to them just keeping quiet. Seems like Road Agents could use some fleshing out as well.

[Remianen]

My opinion: [QUOTE=skumdkATgmailDOTcom;402405]1. How about adding the role Ring Announcer, all im seeing is that Lillian Garcia and Howard Finkle getting fired all the time, it would be a nice easy small addition to get game.[/QUOTE] No. Unless they add something concrete, no. And if they don't, it's just a "flavor" addition and I can think of at least 10 better choices for that. How many people judge a wrestling show primarily on the ring announcer's performance? Let's be real here, Lilian Garcia's "success" as ring announcer has as much to do with how she looks as how she performs. Name Tony Chimel's great talent in comparison. [QUOTE=skumdkATgmailDOTcom;402405]2. More involvment from the Booking team, i mean - what exactly do they do right now?.. Its a part of the game that should be developed even more.. Examples 1. We should book wrestling x with wrestler y, that would make a good feud 2. At this time it would make sense to change the gimmick on wrestler x 3. At this time you should turn wrestler x to face/heel At those sorts of things 3. Instead of Authority figure, how about GM, Assistant GM, Owner those sorts of roles. 4. Trainers?, Maybe even settings that could tell the wrestlers on what kind of stat they should improve their skills in.. 5. Spanish announcers?, the TNA and WWE Spanish PPV guys always gets fired.. You could also add Japanese and European employes and that would help your popularity in those markets.. That was what i could think of..[/QUOTE] This would be nice, no doubt, but can be covered by worker suggestions and input. #3, Authority Figure encompasses all of those roles. The best thing you could ask for is a customizable field that lets you rename the role to whatever you want (from Authority Figure to 'Commissioner', 'Director of Authority', 'General Manager' or whatever). #4 is generally only needed for development promotions and the dev journal I read said it's already in 08. #5 is already in the game, just not as obvious as most people would like. Tell me, have you ever noticed that announcers are never judged on their ability to speak the local language....unless you use them in angles? Seems like you want to add an additional roster position to duplicate what's already in the game. If that's the case, let's distinguish between 'Manager' and 'Valet' and add a new roster position. Let's also add a position for 'Divas', those women who can't/don't actually wrestle but aren't Valets or Managers, because 'Personality' isn't specific enough. The foreign announce team SHOULD be fired because they're extraneous. They're not necessary, in game terms, because the existing first-tier announce team can already do what they do. Splitting the roles mechanically would alter roster requirements so that Cult and above promotions would HAVE to have these people suckin' up roster and payroll space. Do you really want to have to find and hire MORE of the most expensive non-wrestling workers on a typical TEW roster? How many Peter Michaels types are there in the Cornellverse? Now, imagine SWF having to find ones who speak Spanish and Japanese and French and Italian and German just to gain a foothold in these areas. Doesn't sound like much fun to me. :(

[djthefunkchris]

[QUOTE=Remianen;402849]My opinion: No. Unless they add something concrete, no. And if they don't, it's just a "flavor" addition and I can think of at least 10 better choices for that. How many people judge a wrestling show primarily on the ring announcer's performance? Let's be real here, Lilian Garcia's "success" as ring announcer has as much to do with how she looks as how she performs. Name Tony Chimel's great talent in comparison.[/QUOTE] Aggree bassically, except about Garcia. She has a great voice, and I've heard great things about her at live shows. Tony's great, but Lillian is no second rater hired only for looks, in my opinion.

[Eddy Snow]

[QUOTE=Remianen;402849]My opinion: No. Unless they add something concrete, no. And if they don't, it's just a "flavor" addition and I can think of at least 10 better choices for that. How many people judge a wrestling show primarily on the ring announcer's performance? Let's be real here, Lilian Garcia's "success" as ring announcer has as much to do with how she looks as how she performs. Name Tony Chimel's great talent in comparison.[/QUOTE] Yeah but a poor announcer can drag the enjoyment factor out of an event too, look at Self's experience for evidence of that, but watching tv Howard Finkel introducing The Rock always got a bigger pop than Lillian Garcia doing it, perhaps suggesting a good announcer can help a face get over, even a slight bit.