Owner but not booker?

[Raderick]

I know in TEW 2007 you have the option of being a booker but have to play under the promotion's owner. Bot how about allowing the opposite, which we can be the owner of the company but give the book to someone else? Whoever you give the book to would be the one who writes matches and angles, but you as an owner has the final say after shows are written.

[crayon]

So, kinda like automatic booking by another name? I don't think that's a very popular concept around these here parts of the woods :P

[Sigilistic]

[QUOTE=Raderick;404863]I know in TEW 2007 you have the option of being a booker but have to play under the promotion's owner. Bot how about allowing the opposite, which we can be the owner of the company but give the book to someone else? Whoever you give the book to would be the one who writes matches and angles, but you as an owner has the final say after shows are written.[/QUOTE] Ok everyone...take a shot!

[Raderick]

[QUOTE=crayon;404872]So, kinda like automatic booking by another name? I don't think that's a very popular concept around these here parts of the woods :P[/QUOTE] I guess what I'm getting to is to speed up the process for those who want to run the administrative side of a promotion but want to keep its involvement with the actual events to a minimum. If the owner doesn't like the event the writers book, he can obviously step in and make changes. If an owner wants a certain wrestler to be pushed a certain way, the admin can note that for the writers to push that wrestler.

[The Normster]

I kinda like that idea. I always wondered why you can be head booker but you can't just be the owner. I think it also adds the extra depth to go out and find a booker for your promotion. somethign along that. I say it should be given a shot atleast.

[hurricanendp]

Feels like an age since i last posted in here. Anyways, the idea is good, but the problem is, is that TEW is a [I]booking[/I] simulator, so as much as people may say "Yeah that's a good idea" or "I like this!" unfortunately it'll never happen due to the type of game it is. Obviously should Adam have Auto-booking make an appearance in TEW, you could half simulate this idea.

[Richyg]

I'll agree with everyone else and say this is not a bad idea but then your losing the point of the game's original concept, "booking". Where I think this could be better applied is to a child promotion type scheme. There, your the owner and then give it's head booker goals to achieve. This way your still booking your own fed but have this minor control over your child.

[JD61572]

I've never understood why people are so against the idea of an owner mode. Think about the Madden NFL series. It started out on Nintendo as just a football game, just like how people refer to TEW as just a booking game, but as time went by more things were added in to Madden. Now, you could own a franchise for years and years without ever having to play a single football game. You can have as much or as little involvement in your franchise as you like so if you just enjoy doing the draft, you can simulate everything else until it is draft time. Also, there is nothing to prevent you from playing as your team in the Superbowl if they make it. The same thing should apply to TEW. If you are really into roster management only then why shouldn't you have the option of only doing that if you want? And if you are WWE and WrestleMania rolls around then you could step in and book it if you so choose. I can understand if people don't want to play an owner mode themselves but what logical explanation can there be for not wanting other people to have the choice?

[crayon]

[QUOTE=Richyg;404952]Where I think this could be better applied is to a child promotion type scheme. There, your the owner and then give it's head booker goals to achieve. This way your still booking your own fed but have this minor control over your child.[/QUOTE] In agreement with you there. Likewise with brand extentions should you choose to hand over the duties (forgive me if that already is possible, but I've never played with brands).

[W3LSHY]

Although, personally it being a booking simulator and I myself liking the booking aspect of things, I think this idea is a hell of alot more feesible due to AI company's now booking angles.

[Dyn-]

I agree with Richyg, I think being able to have some control over the child promotion would be great. Maybe even be able to make notes of a certain worker to be the focus of the show, or make suggestions on who should hold the title. I don't know I'm just thinking out loud :)

[mike b]

i vote owner im in fav of being able to be an owner but to have the final say in how yr booker sets the matches ect ect:D :D

[Richyg]

I like this idea of having a hand in a child promotion's development, I can roll with that... Don't get the wrong idea though, i think we all play this game for the booking side of things really, right? Its what has made the series succesful and keeps players coming back. Plus wouldn't be much of a game otherwise... Pushing the idea on brand's maybe a feasible idea, but your taking even more control away from your game but it could be seen as option to hand over a lesser brand to AI control. Say you use it train up younger workers?

[crayon]

Yeah, I mean the default for brands would be you booking the entire thing.. but if you were to assign head bookers to any of them (you'd still have to manually book at least one brand yourself), then you got the option there. Seems like it'd add a little bit of realism to it, plus with three brands that's a hell of a lot of booking (and therefore time) for any one person to handle. (I guess you could always make the argument to choose to book a smaller promotion though)

[mike b]

i vote owner i agree with most of if not all the above statements please put a option in the 08 game yhat lets you play as just the owner but allows you to have a say in matches if you dont like the way your booker has set them up. pretty please.:D :cool:

[Remianen]

[QUOTE=JD61572;404965]I've never understood why people are so against the idea of an owner mode. Think about the Madden NFL series. It started out on Nintendo as just a football game, just like how people refer to TEW as just a booking game, but as time went by more things were added in to Madden. Now, you could own a franchise for years and years without ever having to play a single football game. You can have as much or as little involvement in your franchise as you like so if you just enjoy doing the draft, you can simulate everything else until it is draft time. Also, there is nothing to prevent you from playing as your team in the Superbowl if they make it.[/QUOTE] Waitaminute. Stop the presses! You're comparing TEW.......to MADDEN?!? That game hasn't changed significantly in 5 years. You take last year's game, add three fluff features, tweak the AI so one part of the game is grossly overpowered (and make it cyclical) and there you have Madden NFL 07+1. Look, adding an auto-booker by ANY name to this game is akin to playing Madden in demo mode. What's the point? So you can feel great because you signed Steve Flash or Sean McFly? So what, you signed him. Now what are you gonna [B][I]do[/I][/B] with him? Quick, name three workers with tons of talent who suck (or sucked) because they were booked wrong. Just because Eric Bischoff signed Mark Callaway, Steve Williams, and Allen Jones doesn't mean he gets credit for the way they turned out, does he? Or do the names 'Mean Mark Callous', 'Stunning Steve Austin', and 'Air Styles' jump first to mind when those names are mentioned? How's Shelton Benjamin workin' out? TEW is the best booking simulator on the planet. Watering it down by adding superfluous "features", like Madden has, just makes for a 'meh' game that isn't particularly great at anything. Why did EA feel the need to overpay for the exclusive NFL license? Because ESPN's game kicked Madden's arse in gameplay. Jack of all trades games SUCK (look it up, seriously). Attempting to be all things to all people leads to failure because you can't concentrate on making any one part great. [QUOTE=JD61572;404965]The same thing should apply to TEW. If you are really into roster management only then why shouldn't you have the option of only doing that if you want?[/QUOTE] Because the game's focus, its heart, its core.....is [B][I]BOOKING[/I][/B], not "roster management". In fact, roster management is a part of booking since, without a managed roster, you can't book much of anything. Let's be real here, there is little to nothing to do in TEW outside of booking. That, I imagine, is by design. Adam didn't set out to make 'Total Extreme Wrestling Mogul'. I think you're better off asking for a new game. TEW is a booking simulator, WreSpi 1 & 2 are career simulators, make the next spinoff (if there's even enough commercial interest) a management simulator and voila! You get to be Ted Turner, doing next to nothing besides signing checks.

[JD61572]

Let the record show that remianen votes nay on the proposed owner mode. I think you are jumping to a lot of drastic conclusions in your post. One of the major things you are assuming is that if there were an owner mode it would have to somehow hurt the other way of playing and I don't think that is a certainty. I would agree that if the overall game suffered because there was an owner mode then there shouldn't be an owner mode. But, I'm not ready to assume that like you are.

[Derek B]

Reasons For There Not Currently Being An Autobooker (as of TEW07): #1: The AI isn't good enough to book to "human standards", thusly rendering anyone who wants an autobooker frustrated at how rubbish the AI is.... #2: Seriously, if #1 isn't enough for you then I give up. It's been explained a million times why there isn't an autobooker or an owner mode or any of these ideas that ALL revolve around the same basic premises of the AI/human disparity in the ways of playing the game. It's the same arguments every time and it always ends up in the same loop of "We should have autobooker/owner mode/able to book seperate brands...." "The AI isn't good enough" "I think we should have them anyways" "It won't work until the AI has been improved" "Improve the AI and then add it" "Yeah, cos it's that easy...." I'm not saying they are bad ideas but they aren't feasible yet. The core focus of the game is the booking, as I don't think there are many people who watch wrestling and go "[i]Damn, watching this really wrestling show makes me wish I could run the behind the scenes aspect of this TV show![/i]". The main audience are the people who want to book shows.... putting in significant effort to add more backstage features that appeal to a limited fanbase rather than spending time adding a wide range of features that affect everyone who plays the game is just a daft idea. And now... I'm done. Time to breathe again.

[Remianen]

[QUOTE=JD61572;405574]Let the record show that remianen votes nay on the proposed owner mode. I think you are jumping to a lot of drastic conclusions in your post. One of the major things you are assuming is that if there were an owner mode it would have to somehow hurt the other way of playing and I don't think that is a certainty. I would agree that if the overall game suffered because there was an owner mode then there shouldn't be an owner mode. But, I'm not ready to assume that like you are.[/QUOTE] heh I'm not assuming anything. This has been suggested since TEW05 was new and every single time, it's been explained why implementing this would be to the detriment of the game as a whole. If you upgrade the AI so autobooking becomes feasible, that AI would stomp the crap out of "casual" players who may not know the ins and outs of the game. Seriously, what happens when the AI is booking the best shows possible every single time out? How many human players could keep up with that? So now the difficulty of the main game is turned up to 11 so 40 people could have their autobooker/owner mode. But every couple weeks, this suggestion is made. Just think about how the game would need to be changed in order to accomodate this feature, in any decent manner. Then think about how much work would have to go into balancing it so it doesn't eviscerate casual players, ramping the difficulty of the game into the stratosphere. Now, how much time would that take and while that's being done, how much work is being done on the main game? It's a form of opportunity cost IMO.

[Sigilistic]

[QUOTE=Remianen;405543]Waitaminute. Stop the presses! You're comparing TEW.......to MADDEN?!? That game hasn't changed significantly in 5 years. You take last year's game, add three fluff features, tweak the AI so one part of the game is grossly overpowered (and make it cyclical) and there you have Madden NFL 07+1. Look, adding an auto-booker by ANY name to this game is akin to playing Madden in demo mode. What's the point? So you can feel great because you signed Steve Flash or Sean McFly? So what, you signed him. Now what are you gonna [B][I]do[/I][/B] with him? Quick, name three workers with tons of talent who suck (or sucked) because they were booked wrong. Just because Eric Bischoff signed Mark Callaway, Steve Williams, and Allen Jones doesn't mean he gets credit for the way they turned out, does he? Or do the names 'Mean Mark Callous', 'Stunning Steve Austin', and 'Air Styles' jump first to mind when those names are mentioned? How's Shelton Benjamin workin' out? TEW is the best booking simulator on the planet. Watering it down by adding superfluous "features", like Madden has, just makes for a 'meh' game that isn't particularly great at anything. Why did EA feel the need to overpay for the exclusive NFL license? Because ESPN's game kicked Madden's arse in gameplay. Jack of all trades games SUCK (look it up, seriously). Attempting to be all things to all people leads to failure because you can't concentrate on making any one part great. Because the game's focus, its heart, its core.....is [B][I]BOOKING[/I][/B], not "roster management". In fact, roster management is a part of booking since, without a managed roster, you can't book much of anything. Let's be real here, there is little to nothing to do in TEW outside of booking. That, I imagine, is by design. Adam didn't set out to make 'Total Extreme Wrestling Mogul'. I think you're better off asking for a new game. TEW is a booking simulator, WreSpi 1 & 2 are career simulators, make the next spinoff (if there's even enough commercial interest) a management simulator and voila! You get to be Ted Turner, doing next to nothing besides signing checks.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Remianen;405902]heh I'm not assuming anything. This has been suggested since TEW05 was new and every single time, it's been explained why implementing this would be to the detriment of the game as a whole. If you upgrade the AI so autobooking becomes feasible, that AI would stomp the crap out of "casual" players who may not know the ins and outs of the game. Seriously, what happens when the AI is booking the best shows possible every single time out? How many human players could keep up with that? So now the difficulty of the main game is turned up to 11 so 40 people could have their autobooker/owner mode. But every couple weeks, this suggestion is made. Just think about how the game would need to be changed in order to accomodate this feature, in any decent manner. Then think about how much work would have to go into balancing it so it doesn't eviscerate casual players, ramping the difficulty of the game into the stratosphere. Now, how much time would that take and while that's being done, how much work is being done on the main game? It's a form of opportunity cost IMO.[/QUOTE] I'm Sigilistic and I approve of these messages.

[Guest The Aussie]

Judging by what he has said; Remainen is so full of fury over this idea.

[AndyJP]

I still want auto-book feature! I'd like to be able to only book one brand and auto-book any others. I don't really see what the fuss is, who cares about your argument over TEW being a booker simulator? If some people want to use auto-book, it will never affect you.

[darthsiddus2]

I'd like one too but this IS a [B]BOOKING[/B] sim. not gonna happen

[hurricanendp]

well, there's only one answer to everyone that wants it in, create a game yourself, then release it to the masses, have your work constantly batted between ignorant forum members that don't want to consider the options, and opt to just say "What I Want is......" Seriously, there's no problems in [b]suggesting[/b] features, but it seems people are [b]demanding[/b] this to be in, when in all honesty, it's fluff, it's not needed. Don't get me wrong, i'm all for the auto-book a brand, but i'd never consider using that so i could miss out the whole concept of a game!

[JD61572]

I know I don't speak for everyone who wants an owner mode but let me just explain what I think it would be like. Then all of you who hate the idea can explain to me why it isn't feasible and why it would completely ruin the game :rolleyes: First, on the screen where you enter the player details, you would have 3 options. You could either play as owner and booker, just booker or just owner (have I ruined the game yet?). It would be mostly the same when you are in owner mode compared to the other 2 modes. One difference would be that everything under the booking screen tab would be optional. If you don't feel like making tag teams or setting all the pushes then the AI would do it for you. Another thing would be when you have an event scheduled and you click next day you would be asked if you want to book the event yourself or if you want your head booker to do it. If you choose your head booker then you would just pass on to the next day and then you could find out the results of the show. When you let your head booker book a show, it would work basically the same way that the AI run promotions are simulated now. Adam already said that in 08 the AI booking will be better and more in line with the results a human player would get. There are a few different ways I think you could influence how the shows are booker without booking them yourself. You would basically be able to give owner goals. For example, if you told your booker that you wanted to push Shawn Michaels then he would be booked to win a lot of matches and headline shows. You could also have the option of burying a worker then that person would be losing a lot. You could exercise some control over your titles if you wanted, telling your booker that you want your current champ to hold the title until you say otherwise. You could make use of advanced booking so you could force a certain match onto a show and not have to book the entire thing yourself. The head booker would also try to hire people. You would get a pending decision saying "Stephanie McMahon has offered a written contract for $20,000 a month for 24 months to Ric Flair. Would you like to sign off on this?" then you could click yes or no. The same kind of thing would work for firings as well. The player could do negotiations themselves too. And that is basically what it would consist of I think. Now tell me, why do you not want me to have this option?