Roll-up Pins etc

[Carl1000000]

Here's some things that I think would be good to include in the new TEW: Firstly, the idea of the extra 3 finishes that Adam has added are great, but I think there should be another. A roll-up pin or school boy roll up would be a good inclusion. Although many people will see this as simply a "clean finish", if back in the day 1-2-3 Kid beat Razor Ramon with his finisher rather than a roll up, he may have gotton more popularity from it, and Razor would have suffered more. Roll-up pin finishes could have an effect on the loser and the winner in a lesser degree than if it was with a clean finish. Another thing, this was a problem in TEW 2007. Whenever you booked someone, if the person dies, you cannot substitute the person out of the match. It just crashes the came and you have to make do with the crowd missing out on a match, even if you do make a substitute match (without swapping it in the advanced booking screen). It would also be good to decide who survives the elimination tag matches, and possibly how far a wrestler gets in the royal rumble. Often in the battle royuals I book, Hulk Hogan will always be the last man eliminated, despite others being put to look stronger or to dominate the match.

[crayon]

Even though the booking notes drop-down menu is already getting kinda cumbersome (replace with listing box?), I'd also like a roll-up/quick surprise pin option. Coz it's definitely a loss which can be largely disputed--but not coz of sneaky tactics like using the ropes--as opposed to a clean finish. Other ones are good suggestions as well. With the Royal Rumble and Eliminations, it could just be 2 notes; one for "eliminated first" and one for "eliminated last".. may not even need the eliminated first one

[unicron]

[QUOTE=crayon;405187]With the Royal Rumble and Eliminations, it could just be 2 notes; one for "eliminated first" and one for "eliminated last".. may not even need the eliminated first one[/QUOTE] I may be wrong but I think that setting the "keep strong" road agent note against the worker you want to be eliminated last will do the trick.

[crayon]

Ah okay, was just going off the OP. I've never tried it myself (but can see why some would like control of it)

[tom_wk]

Yup I definately think quick/suprise roll-up pins'd be a good idea. There seems to be a bit of a gap in the matches finishes without them. I haven't tested but it seems logical that a face using a tainted finish wouldn't be as warmly recieved by the fans as if he'd just managed a lucky pin, which seems to be the only alternative at the moment.

[Zakarl]

A "Cheap Win" note is a must for booking those "upset" wins, as earlier noted, along with those fluke/lucky or "out-of-nowhere" finishes in tightly-fought contests. As I'm also a stickler for these things, having the option to specifically book all the details of elimination matches would be a nice additional feature. This is particularly important if you're booking, say, the Royal Rumble match in order to set up [i]WrestleMania[/i] feuds or a Survivor Series match in order to push someone.

[Carl1000000]

I think deciding on the full outcome of an elimination match would be a great idea. It would indeed be good for feuds to be set up/concluded. A Royal Rumble/battle royal may be too cluttered to decide on the full outcome of the match, but a survivor series would only take 9 losses in total. A much more expanded number of road agents notes would be required I'd think, perhaps bringing it to 20 rather than 10 if it hasn't been enlarged already. Maybe if adding the Cheap Finish and then the Pinfall note could equal a roll-up pin finish if Adam doesn't want to add to the already long list of road agent notes but I'd image it was gonna be put in already anyway seeing as Adam has pretty much nailed every aspect of wrestling already! This probably belongs somewhere else but I also think a 3 on 1 handicap option should be availiable. There have been 3 on 1 matches a couple times in the last couple years (Henry vs 3 Jobber, Lashley vs McMahons and Umaga), and will further demonstrate a powerful, dominant superstar.

[D16NJD16]

To me this is a level of intricacy that really does matter in the real world

[tom_wk]

Yeah to me it just doesn't seem right giving my plucky babyface a tainted win (eg using the ropes or grabbing the tights) when I just want him to win with a lucky roll up... (A cheap finish is a countout or DQ btw...)

[Carl1000000]

I think to go along with the roll-up pins other finishes could be concidered. Such as: DQ - Intentionally (Like Randy Orton did to Cena in a title match a couple months ago) or accidentally Countout - Intentionally (as in run away), or accidentally (like a face not making it back to the ring in time) It would give the finish more clarity, as, especially with the counts outs, intentional and accidental illegal finishes can greater define a heel or coward personality.

[NickC13573]

those are both covered by the cheap finish note.

[Carl1000000]

But cheap finish only definates that the match ended with a DQ or count out. It doesnt define that the DQ or count out was intentional. And intentional countout is very different from an accidental one. Losing cheaply by accident or bad luck is one thing, but running away from the match is entirely different. Say I had a Kane vs Chavo feud and they had a match on TV. I dont want there to be a clean finish because I want the feud to end on PPV. The TV match will, say, end in a count out when Chavo runs away. We can only book it that the result is a count out. Therefore, this result could mean Kane forced him to get counted out but knocking him unconscious outside or he could have battled Chavo outside the ring and then ran back in just before the 10. These two finshes which the game defines as a cheap count out are claerly very different form Chavo running away.

[Dolfanar]

With the new rules/options for long-time feuds, this request becomes even more important, imo. A surprise win, might be another way to have a finish which lowers the overall entertainment value of a match just enough to make the next match, with a decisive finish get a higher value.

[D. Boons Ghost]

[QUOTE=Dolfanar;415676]With the new rules/options for long-time feuds, this request becomes even more important, imo. A surprise win, might be another way to have a finish which lowers the overall entertainment value of a match just enough to make the next match, with a decisive finish get a higher value.[/QUOTE] Although it might be too much a hassle for Adam at this point (I've certainly no clue), this is an excellent point.

[the.danger.zone]

I think everything talked about in this post shuould be heavily considered. I dont know a lot about programming but I dont think adding these extra finishes would be all that difficult into the menus but programming the effects each of them have could take a little longer. Again I really dont know. I would be all for being able to fully list all 30 entrants and eliminations in a royal rumble. I know a lot of you tihnk that just the last elimination are all thats needed or even just a list of the eliminations but think of how huge it is in real life when a person wins the Royal Rumble from the #1 entry position. It could be a huge lift to a persons credibility and really help build up the popularity of a feud I think.

[Pythran]

[QUOTE=unicron;405204]I may be wrong but I think that setting the "keep strong" road agent note against the worker you want to be eliminated last will do the trick.[/QUOTE] I'm afraid it doesn't. It seems to be done in an order of popularity.