Match Cost

[wilts]

OK, this is a simple 1, that I am not altogether bothered about, but I am putting it out here for consideration. I know it is possibly the most hated game series in the world, but SvR has bought something to my attention. In the GM Season mode, you have a budget, and with the you have to account for all costs, including match types. At the moment, for every show, I could run a TLC, then a Cage, then a Hell in a Cell, then an Elimination Chamber, and it doesn't cost me a penny. What would be nice is if we could assign costs to match type, so Low, Medium, High, which would each be £X ($ for our American chums). Then each time you book that match, it costs you. That way, not only for the fans, but also for me, it would be a bit more special to hold a HIAC at a PPV because I can warrant spending that money for a PPV pop, and removes the temptation of having it on a weekly show. Don't know if anyone is interested, don't even know if I am, so like I said, just chucking it out there. Cheers

[Jay Lethal]

I'm all for this, and more... Would be also fun if we had a wepons warehouse, with chairs, tables, ladders, lighttubes, etc. Then, we could assign the wepons to matches that allow wepons. we could by good quality chairs or tables, or cheap ones, and in the end of the match we would havea message like "3 of the 4 tables were used, 1 chair was broken and 2 chairs got some damage, a ladder was used but no damage happen, 7 of the 20 lighttubes were used". This would also allow a true "fans bring the wepons match", where fans would bring the wepons making us save money in wepons. The wepons fans would bring would as much and as better as much diehard the fans are and as much antecipation if for the match in question (if it is the final match of the promotion's top feud, then the fans would bring lot's of wepons". Of course, this doesn't matter if you're the booker of the WWE, but, if you're booking a little company, this little things can make the game very interesting. Also, we could have cage's and what so ever in our warehouse, but minor promotions would have to use cheaper cages, and probably the public wouldn't bother (even though, some wrestlers may refuse to work if they don't feel the cage is safe), but in mainstream promotions, a cheaper cage may take quality from the match, as the fans wouldn't accept it

[The Bus]

I wouldn't want to go to micromanagement, with counting the chairs etc. But generally just having a price tag for a match and having the option of which level of equipment is being used. Simply low, medium or high level with the highest costing the most. Theres also the opportunity to have incidents included to these, such as ring ropes were broken or the cage doors were messed up.

[Phantom Stranger]

I think the idea is that all of this is covered under your Production costs.

[MaxxHexx]

I actually think this is a good idea. When working as an indy fed, the extra cost of a cage could make the match that much more special. For hardcore feds the weapons warehouse also sounds cool.

[Dolfanar]

You could have "one time costs" to buy/unlock certain match setups. For example: Steel Cage - $10,000 Once you buy the cage, then every match type requiring a cage would be available to you. Each set up would have a cost.Things like Tables, ladders, chairs and so on would be really cheap to unlock. Cages, scaffolds, barbed wires would be in the mid-range. Cells and Chambers would be at the absolute tippy top. After all, the Elimination Chamber cost a ton of money to put together, only a WWE or a TNA should be able to afford those types of matches. Even Steel Cages should be a major purchase for a small indy promotion.

[Phantom Stranger]

Regular payments are unrealistic, but I think a one-time-cost will do the wrong thing. Cage matches tend to have good prestige. Once you have a cage, a cage that cost 1/10th of your annual budget... you're gonna want to use that as much as you can. Which doesn't happen.

[Remianen]

[QUOTE=wilts;405986]At the moment, for every show, I could run a TLC, then a Cage, then a Hell in a Cell, then an Elimination Chamber, and it doesn't cost me a penny.[/QUOTE] Patently false. Methinks someone isn't paying attention to his/her finance screen. Seriously, it's easy enough to test out and see it at work. Special matches do have a cost built in to them, though it's largely insignificant right now. It's scaled to promotion size, or seems to be. So your local fed putting on a cage match will see a lower absolute cost than the International promotion doing the same thing. But most people don't pay attention to the individual category costs (choosing to instead focus on 'the bottom line') so I can see how this might be missed. I'm definitely not in favor of a console-ish "pay one price, get it forever" mechanic. A suggestion was made to tie certain match types to promotion size and/or to make promotion specific matches. So, no one but WWE would be able to do the Elimination Chamber and no one but TNA could do Ultimate X. The problem with that is the fact that all a person has to do is duplicate the match in the DB and rename it (or just remove the 'exclusive' label). The former is how it's done in reality (the 'Royal Rumble' is just a simple battle royal with a copyrighted name, for example) and the latter could easily just be made a mod.

[wilts]

Remianen, As always, your input is greatly valued, but could you please expand on your commend. Where exactly can I find the any cost effect of running various match types? [QUOTE]Patently false. Methinks someone isn't paying attention to his/her finance screen. Seriously, it's easy enough to test out and see it at work. Special matches do have a cost built in to them, though it's largely insignificant right now. It's scaled to promotion size, or seems to be. So your local fed putting on a cage match will see a lower absolute cost than the International promotion doing the same thing. But most people don't pay attention to the individual category costs (choosing to instead focus on 'the bottom line') so I can see how this might be missed. [/QUOTE] Admitedly, I really don't pay much attention to my finance screen. Boo me now, but I always tend to play with 1 of the larger promotions, so I have never really paniced if my money drops a bit. Many thanks.

[crayon]

If that is the case, it wouldn't hurt to have a cost somewhere in the details for when you're adding the match (or a total show cost in the show overview when booking it) for new users.. and even for older ones that run a tight bottom line. Although now I know of this, I'll be able to go check anyway.

[Remianen]

[QUOTE=wilts;406064]Remianen, As always, your input is greatly valued, but could you please expand on your commend. Where exactly can I find the any cost effect of running various match types? Admitedly, I really don't pay much attention to my finance screen. Boo me now, but I always tend to play with 1 of the larger promotions, so I have never really paniced if my money drops a bit. Many thanks.[/QUOTE] If you go to Business -> Finance and look at your balance sheet, included in 'Show costs' is the costs incurred from using gimmick matches. For example, and I admit it's easier to see if you're running a smaller promotion, do a month of shows where all matches are held in a gimmick of some sort. Like, do a month of cage matches or weapons based matches or the like. Now, the next month, do a show with only normal matches (no gimmicks). Compare the show costs and you'll see the gimmick month cost you more than the normal month. As I said, it's largely insignificant now (the gimmick month might've cost you $25,000 more at National, which is nothing) but it's there. I think what might be more likely to be implemented is adding a cost to each special match [I][B]but not disclosing it[/B][/I]. Keep in mind the fact that Adam doesn't like spelling everything out to you, to allow the players the joy of discovery. The costs would be pegged to typical promotion size based income. So your National sized promotion could afford a steel cell match but your Small sized promotion would have to make do with a cage. Not too many mom & pop sized local promotions with the dosh to put on an exploding barbed wire electrified cage match, after all. Adding costs to match types would be great. I'm all for adding strategy to the game and this would do it. Although, if this was added, I'd probably have to wait a year or so to put on my 'Descent to Darkness' match (2v2, steel cell, overhead wires, submission finish only, very high prestige). :p

[wilts]

[QUOTE=Remianen;406078]If you go to Business -> Finance and look at your balance sheet, included in 'Show costs' is the costs incurred from using gimmick matches.[/QUOTE] Thanks for that, will check it out. [QUOTE=Remianen;406078]Although, if this was added, I'd probably have to wait a year or so to put on my 'Descent to Darkness' match (2v2, steel cell, overhead wires, submission finish only, very high prestige). :p[/QUOTE] Dam, sounds like a nice walk in the park. Maybe you would have to wait, but think how great it would be, like xmas all over again!!

[crayon]

[quote]As I said, it's largely insignificant now (the gimmick month might've cost you $25,000 more at National, which is nothing) but it's there. I think what might be more likely to be implemented is adding a cost to each special match [b]but not disclosing it.[/b][/quote] While I understand it's not gospel what Adam will or won't do at the end of the day, I would like to interject that if match costs were significant, not disclosing it (at the very least in a ballpark figure) would be quite ridiculous in sense of both gameplay and realism. It seems a little unreasonable to have the user figure out whether or not they can afford to blow their annual budget on Gimmick Match X just through trial and error. It would be akin to saying in real life: [i]"I want to put on an elimination chamber match. I don't care the price, here's a blank cheque, and just make it happen dammit!"[/i] (If I'm interpreting your post correctly) People would be forced to put matches on (or search the forum), and write down the costs for future reference. Which would pretty much render the any point of hiding the costs from the user eventually moot, anyway. And let me say that I am for keeping some stuff hidden or vague. But only when it makes sense, such as worker's grades.

[Rams]

[QUOTE=wilts;405986]OK, this is a simple 1, that I am not altogether bothered about, but I am putting it out here for consideration. I know it is possibly the most hated game series in the world, but SvR has bought something to my attention. In the GM Season mode, you have a budget, and with the you have to account for all costs, including match types. At the moment, for every show, I could run a TLC, then a Cage, then a Hell in a Cell, then an Elimination Chamber, and it doesn't cost me a penny. What would be nice is if we could assign costs to match type, so Low, Medium, High, which would each be £X ($ for our American chums). Then each time you book that match, it costs you. That way, not only for the fans, but also for me, it would be a bit more special to hold a HIAC at a PPV because I can warrant spending that money for a PPV pop, and removes the temptation of having it on a weekly show. Don't know if anyone is interested, don't even know if I am, so like I said, just chucking it out there. Cheers[/QUOTE] I am not a fan of the cost idea. I would however like to see some downside to over using gimmick matches. In real life the WWE doesn't put on a cage match each night because it would lose it's prestige. So perhaps instead of adding a monetary value, if abused the prestige level of a match should go down for a set period of time.

[Remianen]

[QUOTE=crayon;406161]People would be forced to put matches on (or search the forum), and write down the costs for future reference. Which would pretty much render the any point of hiding the costs from the user eventually moot, anyway. And let me say that I am for keeping some stuff hidden or vague. But only when it makes sense, such as worker's grades.[/QUOTE] Umm, 95% of the content in the 'Advice Compilation' was learned by trial and error. While I'd agree that disclosing the costs upfront should be done if they're significant, I also don't think this feature in its initial implementation would qualify as 'significant'. Judging from how features have been rolled out in TEW05 and 07, Adam is more likely to err on the conservative end rather than through a HUGE financial feature in the game right from the start. Makes sense to do it over time (so you can observe the effects). So yeah, if it ever got to the 'major feature' level, it would only make sense to disclose the exact costs.

[crayon]

Not quite sure what the reference to the advice compilation is, but if a cost-match feature was implemented I can agree that it wouldn't do too much harm should it be on a small scale, as we've already managed thus far, as it goes with certain matches. However that said, barring time to code, I also can't see any benefits [i]not[/i] to include a [b]"Match Type X / Cost to put on: $xxx"[/b] indicated somewhere when booking your matches. Running a successful business has got a lot to do with how you manage your finances. Something that can't be done if your potential expenditure is being intentionally hidden from you. Unless us searching the TEW forum to find out the costs associated with each match is supposed to simulate a real life booker conversing with his production staff to find out how much it would cost :P Edit: Okay, and if it created too much screen clutter/data overload with little impact on finances. I'd conceed there that it should be shunted off to it's own menu for you to pull up if you want. But I don't see any reason for that kind of information to ever be MIA, personally.

[Guest Ransik]

Buying structures would make sense to add into the game. As it stands right now... you can have a local show draw 14 fans and put on a HIAC every single month if you want to and you never lose any money over it. Having to pay for cages, domes, and other structures as a one time cost would make sense. If I'm playing a local company with 5% popularity in just ONE region and I have 5 grand in the bank... where am I gonna get the money to put on a HIAC match?