BSC Anyone?

[M I Evil]

I was wondering if anyone used Babes of Sin City and if so how do you run them. I'm finding them to be particularly a challenge since they use more angles than anything else. I keep making too many matches. So what's the best way to run and maintain a fed of this style and also: what angles or angle mods would give me an edge when running this promotion? The answer may be as simple as i need to walk away from BSC and try a different fed that I better understand but I was hoping to get some insights on this style..thanks.

[Dragonmack]

[QUOTE=M I Evil;406779]I was wondering if anyone used Babes of Sin City and if so how do you run them. I'm finding them to be particularly a challenge since they use more angles than anything else. I keep making too many matches. So what's the best way to run and maintain a fed of this style and also: what angles or angle mods would give me an edge when running this promotion? The answer may be as simple as i need to walk away from BSC and try a different fed that I better understand but I was hoping to get some insights on this style..thanks.[/QUOTE] Realize that off the bat, your match ratings are going to be low, there is nothing that can be done about that as none of your wrestlers is particularly over or great at wrestling. Concentrate on angles, especially ones over 6 minutes for your best looking/ most popular stars. You will still only get D's and C's to start with, but it will help increase your grade. Bring in a couple of decent looking girls that have good wrestling performance skills and they can slowly improve your workers in matches so that the wrestling matches get better over time. BSC is not going to grow rapidly, as based on the starting level and product requiring overness and looks as the key components, it will take a long time to even hit regional. So plan for a long haul, and work to slowly build the overness and ring skills of your stars, and try and sign some female wrestlers that have some overness and looks. Names like Wanda Fish, or Alicia Strong when they debut can really bring up your main event matches a grade or more, and can spur your growth a little faster even if you can't keep them past the initial contract. And check out this BSC diary. It has gone for over a game year and may give you some ideas. [url]http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30325[/url]

[lazorbeak]

Pay attention to the product settings for match lengths and match percent. It might be worth your while to lengthen celebration and any other angles associated with looks, but even with that, you're going to see a lot of low ratings. Also, none of your matches should be based on in-ring skill. As far as who to sign, I think it's nuts to even talk about signing Wanda Fish or Alicia Strong. Yes, they're great workers, but the fans don't care, and both cost more than five times the rest of your roster. Just go look for people with decent looks combined with basics better than a C-. Eve Grunge, Agent 69, Paige Croft, and Nadia Snow are workers that can come in and contribute without blowing your entire budget.

[M I Evil]

First of all let me start by saying thanks for the timely response and helpful answers. After posting my original post and reading your response it occured to me that what i was really driving at is CAN a product like this ever actually hit high popularity to the masses and secondary would this product need to be modified at some point along the way in order to really attain those heights? My current thoughts are following your suggestions for the time being til I have a solid roster that looks good talks good and can wrestle fairly. At some point I was thinking perhaps switching to an intergrated roster that would both allow for some better access to talent as well as more possibilities for angles and storylines of a cross gender variety. Now I must admit I'm very much a noob here and I'm also not 100% clear on all the ingame terminolgy and how to translate that to what i like or have seen in the real world of pro wrestling. That being said the product I am envisioning ultimately taking with BSC would be still heavy on the TNA if not a main feature, and fall somewhere in between the mainstream WWE current model and the old cult ECW days. In other words a little heavier on the TNA than even WWE already is but edgier and more a product that would be adults only. More emphasis on in ring stuff or at least equal to the level of angles and such that already exist in BSC's product. Please forgive that lengthy interlude but if I could get some feedback both on if such a product like I am envisioning could work, and if so how best to set the product settings? Also what stars or stats in my stars should i be looking for, beyond the obvious looks and mic abilities?

[mistaken]

why yes, yes I'll take some BSC. The biggest benefit to playing the game with the Girls from Honey's strip club turned wrestling company, are that your talent is not going to get poached that often. Why? because this federation has nothing to do with wrestling. I'm sure there are multiple ways to look at growing this fed, but the bottom line is the fans of BSC want T&A, so how ever you slice it, the drunk Ba$tards just want to look at the girls. you can bring in better wrestlers as DragonMack suggests. And they do indeed improve your grade, but they cost an arm and a leg so until you've got the ill gotten gains to support using them atleast twice a month to keep them happy steer clear. as well if you wait until you have hit regional to bring them in, i have actually managed in one game to get the both to stay beyond the first 6 months. as lazorbeak says cheap and pretty should rule your hiring decisions for the first year at a minimum. until you hit E+ in the south west, you are just not going to have the bank role. GET RID OF SARAH SILVER! she is a cash drain that will sink you inside of six months. utilize the power of female virtues. anything looks based is your friend. make booking decisions based on looks as well as skill the more over you can get the good looking girls in with their matches, the better you looks based segments with them will go. You will lose money at first. this does not mean you should resign yourself to this fact, you can make money. be careful who you hire as many F over people are F over every where and think they should be your main eventers, they should not! I hope i added something to this conversation, and if you have any other specific questions just ask.

[M I Evil]

[QUOTE=mistaken;406792]why yes, yes I'll take some BSC. The biggest benefit to playing the game with the Girls from Honey's strip club turned wrestling company, are that your talent is not going to get poached that often. Why? because this federation has nothing to do with wrestling. I'm sure there are multiple ways to look at growing this fed, but the bottom line is the fans of BSC want T&A, so how ever you slice it, the drunk Ba$tards just want to look at the girls. you can bring in better wrestlers as DragonMack suggests. And they do indeed improve your grade, but they cost an arm and a leg so until you've got the ill gotten gains to support using them atleast twice a month to keep them happy steer clear. as well if you wait until you have hit regional to bring them in, i have actually managed in one game to get the both to stay beyond the first 6 months. as lazorbeak says cheap and pretty should rule your hiring decisions for the first year at a minimum. until you hit E+ in the south west, you are just not going to have the bank role. GET RID OF SARAH SILVER! she is a cash drain that will sink you inside of six months. utilize the power of female virtues. anything looks based is your friend. make booking decisions based on looks as well as skill the more over you can get the good looking girls in with their matches, the better you looks based segments with them will go. You will lose money at first. this does not mean you should resign yourself to this fact, you can make money. be careful who you hire as many F over people are F over every where and think they should be your main eventers, they should not! I hope i added something to this conversation, and if you have any other specific questions just ask.[/QUOTE] Having just poured through your excellently written BSC diary it was very nice you to respond and I thank you for doing so. I do however have a question and this is more of a general i am a noob question but it does relate to the topic at hand. If I have two very good looking workers with roughly the same amount of overness who should get the victory. Or is it actually unwise to book two of my star looking over strppiers in a match together as putting them in with uglier stippers might make them look better? This same line of question is more general in that how do I know who to book together and who to give the wins to? I think it's fairly obvious you want your stars and up and comers in matches against people that make themselves look bad and the star look good. Am I understanding this correctly?

[mistaken]

[QUOTE=M I Evil;406795]Having just poured through your excellently written BSC diary it was very nice you to respond and I thank you for doing so. I do however have a question and this is more of a general i am a noob question but it does relate to the topic at hand. If I have two very good looking workers with roughly the same amount of overness who should get the victory. Or is it actually unwise to book two of my star looking over strppiers in a match together as putting them in with uglier stippers might make them look better? This same line of question is more general in that how do I know who to book together and who to give the wins to? I think it's fairly obvious you want your stars and up and comers in matches against people that make themselves look bad and the star look good. Am I understanding this correctly?[/QUOTE] I don't know how long of a show your run. most of my shows are an hour. fans don't like the match part of a T&A match to run beyond 10 min. so in an hour your going to have only 2 or 3 matches which are going to be fairly short. you want to do your best to keep you bad matches early and your better matches late. so if your going to put your over looker (overness and looks) versus another over looker your going to want that to be your main event. if your looking to expose your under card to the crowd, and give the win to the over looker an opening or middle match is fine. be careful though you need atleast one of them to have some psychology and at least one to have some selling. As you can see from my diary Dharma Greg and Charlize angel tend to work well with each other. so build give Dharma some wins over the upper midcard, and charlize the same each week in the main event, and build toward a Dharma vs Charlize match up that caps off their feud. who you choose to win? that really comes down to the story your trying to tell. I've had Dharma and Charlize trade most over person in the South West in my fed one always seems to be at D- the other at E+ who ever has the win over the last seems to be the more over. so if Dharma is Carrying my story, then she probably won the last fued. if Charlize is Carrying my story then she probably won the fued last. as to your other post about product settings. I am playing in straight edge, thus Honey won't let me change the product. I've always thought about going in and change the product to a mixed gender enviroment, but i'm not sure i want to run a male stripper fed :D, and I am not sure you could maintian BSC lack of wrestling focus, by adjusting the product to be more main stream. (though your welcome to try i'd love to hear the out come) as for how big you can get big: my first game which has become neglected since i started the dairy game, they grew to regional and had a real shot at making cult. not quickly though, i was pulling the ratings to make cult, a C average for the show in the south west, and north west. but it was going to take a long time to make it there. I hope that helps some.

[Remianen]

[QUOTE=lazorbeak;406789]Pay attention to the product settings for match lengths[/quote] Match lengths in the product settings mean NOTHING for a human controlled promotion. Not a single solitary thing. [QUOTE=lazorbeak;406789]As far as who to sign, I think it's nuts to even talk about signing Wanda Fish or Alicia Strong. Yes, they're great workers, but the fans don't care, and both cost more than five times the rest of your roster. Just go look for people with decent looks combined with basics better than a C-. Eve Grunge, Agent 69, Paige Croft, and Nadia Snow are workers that can come in and contribute without blowing your entire budget.[/QUOTE] The second part of this advice is sound, the first part, ehh not so much. I would say that Alicia Strong and Joanne Rodriguez would be excellent additions (J.Ro moreso than Alicia, due to cost). Your most important free agent to go after should be Agent 69. Hands down. I sign her and change her to her real name (Zoe Ammis), have her form a stable with the Neptune Twins, and take the Queen of the Ring title off Dharma (who immediately turns heel and pairs with Charlize and Annie. The two stables are enough to produce D to D+ rated shows from the giddy-up. And it only goes up from there. As mistaken says, BSC's growth is severely stunted by its product. I managed to get them to Cult but it took me like 6 years to do so. Would've been faster if I had played in Freestyle mode (since I would've changed the product and turned it into more of a Lucha Va Voom style promotion, only with just women). In fact, running BSC is what finally soured me on straight edge. I wouldn't take over a promotion without significant power and resources backing me. But yeah, fire Sara Silver. She's not worth nearly as much as she's being paid. You could hire Sue Danes (who is a definite upgrade) or maybe even Farrah Hesketh for less. If you make them available (I play with restrictions off since I disagree with the entire concept of it), Melanie Florence or Joan Evans would be great as well. As for how to run the promotion, that's easy. Run them like WWE runs its "women's division", just with more skin shown.

[M I Evil]

Thank you all for your tips and suggestions, this is good stuff.

[lazorbeak]

[QUOTE=Remianen;407129]Match lengths in the product settings mean NOTHING for a human controlled promotion. Not a single solitary thing.[/quote] Pretend I said the match ratio. [quote]The second part of this advice is sound, the first part, ehh not so much.[/quote] Which was the first part? The match ratio, or the part where you'd be crazy to hire Wanda Fish or Alicia Strong for a small sized promotion?

[Michael Wayne]

[QUOTE=lazorbeak;406789]Also, none of your matches should be based on in-ring skill. [/QUOTE] lots of eye candy based matches. BSC is the female version of WWE, without the actual talent. Think WEW, with better production values, more angles and storylines and less emphasis on wrestling and men (nod to the old days of WEW).