maskedpropaganda Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Alright - now "needs something to freshen character up" means Gimmick change I beleve (please correct me if I am wrong), and the notes tell ya something when ya need a heel/face turn for a character (if someone remembers off the top of ya head what exactly the note reads please tell me) BUT if ya running say INSPIRE or a start up indy that doesn't have Heels & Faces and is using a Key Feature of Realism and is trying to pass off as a "real" combat promotion heavily MMA influenced, is there anyway to get around this? If not, then if ya have no Heels/Faces or any promos or anything of the sort to initiate turn, and is 100% based around the competition - when can/do ya turn em? - Second if everyone in ya fed has NONE as a gimmick and they tell you to freshen the character... Whatcha do? OR any advice or thoughts thatcha can give me would be cool. Appreciations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximilian_WWW Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I don't know if there's any way around this but at least you can also turn your guys during a match. Not sure what that would do to your match ratings though. And I believe that "needs something to freshen up character" just tells you that you should think about changing someone's gimmick. As long as the "needs a change of character [U]desperately[/U]" message doesn't show up, you don't have to do anything about it. I'm not a 100% on this but that's how I understood it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Stranger Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 [QUOTE=maskedpropaganda;407215]Alright - now "needs something to freshen character up" means Gimmick change I beleve (please correct me if I am wrong), and the notes tell ya something when ya need a heel/face turn for a character (if someone remembers off the top of ya head what exactly the note reads please tell me) BUT if ya running say INSPIRE or a start up indy that doesn't have Heels & Faces and is using a Key Feature of Realism and is trying to pass off as a "real" combat promotion heavily MMA influenced, is there anyway to get around this? If not, then if ya have no Heels/Faces or any promos or anything of the sort to initiate turn, and is 100% based around the competition - when can/do ya turn em? - Second if everyone in ya fed has NONE as a gimmick and they tell you to freshen the character... Whatcha do? OR any advice or thoughts thatcha can give me would be cool. Appreciations.[/QUOTE] Have you actually had that happen? In five years in-game of Ring of Fire (with shows at least weekly all that time), I've never had a gimmick or alignment change note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedpropaganda Posted April 16, 2008 Author Share Posted April 16, 2008 [QUOTE=Phantom Stranger;407239]Have you actually had that happen? In five years in-game of Ring of Fire (with shows at least weekly all that time), I've never had a gimmick or alignment change note.[/QUOTE] YEP! Over and over again. It is getting like... so freakin' annoying... At first I just ignored them but now it seems probably half my roster is in need of this and it has really turned me off on that paticular game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedpropaganda Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 So no one has a clue huh? So what makes the game ask for this? I have None on Heels/Faces and 100% match ratio, I had Very Low on Mainstream that I switch to none... I no idea if that did ANYTHING, but it was the only factor I could even Imagine would be effecting this. It probably meant nothing, but there SOMETHING in game that makes it ask for this that I need to turn off or d@mn SOMETHING... it is probably easy and fixable I would imagine. ANY ideas would be helpful. I know some of ya like Stranger, Apu, and others know the mechanics of the game ALOT better then myself - and if ANY of you guys have any clue of why this is effecting this game then PLEASE inform. If ya don't have any ideas, then advice of what you would do if ya were in my place would be good. Thanks again you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Answers to a few questions: - There is a "Turn" road agent note you can use to turn people during matches. (if you want/need to) - the notes you get about characters/gimmicks could refer to gimmick changes OR turns. Adam stated this a while back, and added that either could work but there are times where it really is one more than the other. - Posting up a full product description may help. I suspect you've got Cult set fairly high as that is in fact an entertainment aspect of product. It doesn't mean "target only these fans", it means "target a group of fans who prefer deep storylines rather than simple storylines". If you have a lot of cult in your product your fans will expect subtle characters... Otherwise, what patch are you using and when did you start the game? It could be that your old product settings called for gimmicks and that the workers were getting stale at some point before that... and then their gimmick decline has just continued. If cult isn't your problem, try assigning some new gimmicks and see if you get any more notes about gimmicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedpropaganda Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 TRADITIONAL: MEDIUM MAINSTREAM: NONE COMEDY: VERY LOW CULT: VERY LOW (WAS AT MEDIUM BEFORE DEREK'S ADVICE TO LESSEN) RISQUE: NONE MODERN: KEY FEATURE REALISM: KEY FEATURE HYPER REALISM: LOW HARDCORE: NONE LUCHA LIBRE: MEDIUM PURE: HEAVY DAREDEVIL: VERY LOW That is what product settings are currently at after the Cult change. Anything else that would effect this? Like the Lucha I had to aid the High Flyers and few Mexican talents, but Lucha Libre is based off of gimmicks & heel/face feuds so thought maybe that would effect. Thanks for your advice derek!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Stranger Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 It *may* be Modern being so high, if I'm remembering what Modern is correctly. How many of your guys could you give Legitimate Athlete and No Gimmick Needed gimmicks to? I think you should be fine on face/heel with there being no difference, but those gimmicks may be what you need to rotate between in terms of your product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedpropaganda Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 [QUOTE=Phantom Stranger;407700]It *may* be Modern being so high, if I'm remembering what Modern is correctly. How many of your guys could you give Legitimate Athlete and No Gimmick Needed gimmicks to? I think you should be fine on face/heel with there being no difference, but those gimmicks may be what you need to rotate between in terms of your product.[/QUOTE] Actually the reason for Modern being so high was due to having so many CZCW talents in the fed (and it seems to work for them) as well as the two games I have played as PWG & ROH had Modern as a key feature and it worked well and it is what Warrior Battle Arts as far as ring product I always had in mind to be similar to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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