Contract talks

[RobbieD]

So basically you have to give them what they want or they don't sign. There is ZERO compromise. How is this realistic?

[Eyeball]

You don't have to. I find that you can always cut a fighters win bonus by about 25% and he'll still agree. Only case where you HAVE to pay the fighter what he demands is when signing an exlusive deal with him that would make him have to quit other organisations.

[gibson]

I tooootally agree. It also really bothers me that if I do not re-sign someones contract asking for 750,000 Alpha-1 or GAMMA will pick them up for 3,000.. gay.

[Derek B]

[QUOTE=gibson;410184]I tooootally agree. It also really bothers me that if I do not re-sign someones contract asking for 750,000 Alpha-1 or GAMMA will pick them up for 3,000.. gay.[/QUOTE] That's the Pay Parity feature kicking in. Workers of a similar level within the same promotion expect to be paid similar amounts. So if you have a highly paid guy who drops a lot of fights then when you re-sign him he'll be getting more than he's realistically worth.... and so everyone at his level will expect his higher rate of pay. CPU companies fire people more readily than human players do because they know of this but a lot of human players forget about it and end up with a hugely bloated wage bill by keeping on people they really should fire...

[The_Widow_Maker]

I think this totally ruins the realism of this game. What fighter would not sign for 750,000 but then quit and go to a different org for 3k? Why would you do this? If you were a fighter, would you take such a big pay cut, just on principle? Wouldn't happen. It creates a big flaw in the game.

[Adam Ryland]

[QUOTE=andyemmy;410588]I think this totally ruins the realism of this game. What fighter would not sign for 750,000 but then quit and go to a different org for 3k? Why would you do this? If you were a fighter, would you take such a big pay cut, just on principle? Wouldn't happen. It creates a big flaw in the game.[/QUOTE] You need to look at it from the point of view of this being a [I]computer game[/I], not real life, as you're applying high-level human thinking to the situation. The fighter isn't quitting a 750,000 job to go and work for 3,000 instead, he is quitting a 750,000 job for a specific reason and then - [I]as an entirely separate item[/I] - looking for the highest paid job that he can get. AI isn't a stage where the characters can realistically apply foresight and high-level reasoning to a situation, they can only make the best of a specific situation based upon a specific set of criteria, which is what they are doing in this example.

[syndicate]

[QUOTE=Adam Ryland;410596]You need to look at it from the point of view of this being a [I]computer game[/I], not real life, as you're applying high-level human thinking to the situation. The fighter isn't quitting a 750,000 job to go and work for 3,000 instead, he is quitting a 750,000 job for a specific reason and then - [I]as an entirely separate item[/I] - looking for the highest paid job that he can get. AI isn't a stage where the characters can realistically apply foresight and high-level reasoning to a situation, they can only make the best of a specific situation based upon a specific set of criteria, which is what they are doing in this example.[/QUOTE] the criteria should be changed then

[Adam Ryland]

[QUOTE=syndicate;410613]the criteria should be changed then[/QUOTE] I don't understand your post - what criteria did you want changed?

[BuddyGarner]

It doesn't matter if you pay everyone on the roster 750/750 you still can't lose money.

[RennikKain076]

The only thing that pisses me off is when I sign a guy to a long contract ( 8 to 10 fights) for lets say 4,000 a fight and he goes on to lose 5 or 6 of those fights and I try to resign him he still wants the same amount of money to resign with me. I wish you could cut they pay for not performing and still be able to resign them at a resonable price. Ah well.

[The_Widow_Maker]

This could help the situation.

[grits207]

[QUOTE=RennikKain076;410700]The only thing that pisses me off is when I sign a guy to a long contract ( 8 to 10 fights) for lets say 4,000 a fight and he goes on to lose 5 or 6 of those fights and I try to resign him he still wants the same amount of money to resign with me. I wish you could cut they pay for not performing and still be able to resign them at a resonable price. Ah well.[/QUOTE] I agree.

[Derek B]

But why would anyone accept a pay cut, especially when they still have several fights left on their contract that pays at the higher rate? That would make no sense as a game mechanic as it would be of benefit solely to the booker....

[RennikKain076]

[QUOTE=derek_b;410884]But why would anyone accept a pay cut, especially when they still have several fights left on their contract that pays at the higher rate? That would make no sense as a game mechanic as it would be of benefit solely to the booker....[/QUOTE] My bad I didnt really type what I was trying to say clearly, I was trying to say if I sign them for 8 fights and they win 2 and lose 5, it would be cool if when they only have 1 fight left on the deal I could lower they pay and resign them at a more reasonable price. Ive noticed all the guys on my roster that lose consistanly seem to want to get paid the same when it comes time to sign a new deal. Example Leon Banks went on a winning streak and I resigned him to a nice $20,000 or $25,000 contract for 8 fights sorry cant remeber which total it is lol, but he lost 5 fights on that deal and only won 2 but when he had only one left and I tried to resign him he wanted the same 25000 or 20000 deal.

[gibson]

[QUOTE=Adam Ryland;410596]You need to look at it from the point of view of this being a [I]computer game[/I], not real life, as you're applying high-level human thinking to the situation. The fighter isn't quitting a 750,000 job to go and work for 3,000 instead, he is quitting a 750,000 job for a specific reason and then - [I]as an entirely separate item[/I] - looking for the highest paid job that he can get. AI isn't a stage where the characters can realistically apply foresight and high-level reasoning to a situation, they can only make the best of a specific situation based upon a specific set of criteria, which is what they are doing in this example.[/QUOTE] Oh, I most definitely look at it from a computer game stand-point, and that's why I'm not boycotting the game. If you are telling me that it would be impossible to set something up to make it more like real-life (ex. Fighter doesn't get re-signed due to a large amount of money be asked for, and then signs with another company with a salary not even comparable from the other offer..) then I guess it's whatever and I cannot argue my suggestion because I'm no computer software designer in the least.

[gibson]

[QUOTE=RennikKain076;410907]My bad I didnt really type what I was trying to say clearly, I was trying to say if I sign them for 8 fights and they win 2 and lose 5, it would be cool if when they only have 1 fight left on the deal I could lower they pay and resign them at a more reasonable price. Ive noticed all the guys on my roster that lose consistanly seem to want to get paid the same when it comes time to sign a new deal. Example Leon Banks went on a winning streak and I resigned him to a nice $20,000 or $25,000 contract for 8 fights sorry cant remeber which total it is lol, but he lost 5 fights on that deal and only won 2 but when he had only one left and I tried to resign him he wanted the same 25000 or 20000 deal.[/QUOTE] That makes sense to me.. I mean even in real life it's VERY rare to see any professional athlete take a pay cut.

[RennikKain076]

[QUOTE=gibson;411196]That makes sense to me.. I mean even in real life it's VERY rare to see any professional athlete take a pay cut.[/QUOTE] True, but if they dont live up to thier contract then when it's resigning time the offer they get to stay wont be as sweet as the last deal. Especially in a promoter dominated sport like MMA. It's no big deal though if I think they can make a comeback then i'll sign them back for the same price but if not then generally I just say bye bye to the underpreformer. It generally works well.