Injuries really pissing me off, need help

[Caspel]

Is there any way to go around these two year long injuries that alway occur to my top fighter in my organizations? It has happened three times out of the three games I have played, always in the first year to my prized fighter. First game: GAMMA - With Foster Second game: GAMMA - With Rivero Third Game: WEC (Mod) - With Faber This is starting to deter the amount of time I want to play in the game, always have to wait two years for my best fighter to return when in fact he was at 95ish health before an "injury" happened. This is getting ridiculous. Adam, can you help remedy this situation so I can continue on to play WMMA, rather than quit now since it keeps happening and its no longer fun to watch my best fighter always go out in the first year or so and sit on the sidelines why I have to simulate two years of time to even get him back.

[Adam Ryland]

Point 1 - The fact that he was at "95ish health" before the injury is completely irrelevant. Just because someone is in good health doesn't magically protect them from training \ fighting injuries! Point 2 - You have been unlucky in getting three big injuries in three successive games, but that's exactly what it is - bad luck. There's nothing programmed to make this happen, and clearly it doesn't happen to every player (as evidenced by the fact that nobody else is complaining about it, and there are many diaries elsewhere on the forum where this hasn't happened). Unless you want me to remove injuries entirely, I really don't see what I can do? Injuries are part of MMA, the game involves you being an MMA booker - I'm afraid it's simply part of your job is to deal with them, as it is to real life bookers.

[BlackJackRob21]

How many differnt injuries are in the game? How many differnt injuries are in the game? The people in my game seem to be only getting injured with one or two things. A concussion or a back injury. I did notice one steriods charge, which was funny cause you would never expect the person. At the same time who expected Royce Gracie. Do people also break laws or get into any trouble.

[Caspel]

yeah, well I think I am going to have to cease playing then. For it has never happened to a lesser fighter, only to the guy that is the top in my organization with popularity at the time. It removes the fun right out of the game since not too many fighters in real life have 2 year injuries. If they incur a 2 year injury, it usually means retirement. Kind of unrealistic actually to keep having this occur due to 'bad luck.' I bet if I was to continue on, I would have that same "suspended for drugs" for a year to my next top fighter since that often occurs too. Oh, and it barely ever happens to rival companies... so for it to be bad luck, seems just a sad and misfortune to a game that I actually liked.

[Blasphemywebleed]

Its a full moon on the boards today :rolleyes:

[Adam Ryland]

[QUOTE]It removes the fun right out of the game since not too many fighters in real life have 2 year injuries. If they incur a 2 year injury, it usually means retirement.[/QUOTE] I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make here? If your point is that they should have retired then that doesn't really seem to fit in with your first post, as the end result would still be that you don't have access to that fighter? [QUOTE]Kind of unrealistic actually to keep having this occur due to 'bad luck.'[/QUOTE] That seems like an odd statement to make - how can bad luck be unrealistic? Injuries do happen, and do happen to big names and champions; Matt Serra springs to mind as a recent example. Having it happen three times in a row is unlucky, but not statistically over-the-top - if it had happened to the same fighter three times running then maybe you'd have a point, but it didn't, it was three totally different fighters. Giving up because it happened three times seems a bit crazy to me, especially as in your first two games you were GAMMA, which means that one big injury hardly destroys your promotion. I'm also not sure why you put quotation marks around the phrase bad luck; injuries are done by a random number, so luck is exactly what it is. Unless you think I'm lying about it being luck, which would be a bit nonsensical given that I have nothing to gain from it. It's your game though, if you decide to give up on it because of a streak of bad luck then that's your choice. I'm not going to eliminate injuries from the game because it occasionally takes out a big name star, that's part of the challenge of the game in the first place.

[Caspel]

you are becoming very smarmy Adam. Matt Serra's injuries aren't relevant to WMMA since his injuries are rehabilitated quick rather than this enduring and unforgiving 2 years that WMMA keeps sticking to top fighters. My point is that top of the line fighters don't have two-year long injuries while training that withhold them from fighting. It's All of the injuries that have killed the fun all occurred when the fighters were ready to be booked for another fight, sitting around doing nothing. I've never once asked for you to eliminate injuries, so stop bringing up that as if that's a cure to the problem. What i am looking for is a way to get by the system and fix this damn problem in all of my games because it's ridiculous. If there's a way, I'd like to know. If I have to accept that this game is depressing, then I'll move on to another game, but if not, feel free to give me a suggestion rather than trying to defend the game. Anyway, I give up on this since you are taking a defensive stance towards this problem that keeps coming up which is going nowhere.

[grits207]

2 year injuries aren't that realistic as Caspel said, if any body gets injured that badly they usually just retire. That said it is completely irrelevant because if all the fighters that got hurt that badly would just retire than you would probably be far more frustrated. Personally I have only seen one two year injury and although it was to my best fighter (Julio Regueiro who was 27-0) it hasn't been a big problem. It's just a game, not worth getting frustrated over.

[Adam Ryland]

[QUOTE=Caspel;407818]this enduring and unforgiving 2 years that WMMA keeps sticking to top fighters.[/QUOTE] That is simply not true. The injury, and therefore the length of time it takes, is random. There is absolutely no correlation between how good \ well known a fighter is and what injury he may or may not get. [QUOTE=Caspel;407818]I've never once asked for you to eliminate injuries, so stop bringing up that as if that's a cure to the problem. [/QUOTE] Gladly, but I'll have to repeat my question from the first post then; "Unless you want me to remove injuries entirely, I really don't see what I can do?". I am not being "smarmy", I was asking you a genuine question - you've asked me to remedy this, but you've not said what you want me to do! Removing injuries isn't an option, so what do you suggest? The point I am making is that you have been the victim of bad luck, and bad luck only - what do you propose I do to stop that? [QUOTE=Caspel;407818]then I'll move on to another game, but if not, feel free to give me a suggestion rather than trying to defend the game.[/QUOTE] Of course I'm going to defend the game! You're attacking it over something that amounts to bad luck, why should I sit back and not reply? [QUOTE=Caspel;407818]Anyway, I give up on this since you are taking a defensive stance towards this problem that keeps coming up [/QUOTE] It's come up three times. There's lots of diaries where this hasn't happened. That's what I'm trying to point out, you're making this sound like it's a devastating problem that happens all the time - no it isn't! It's happened to you a few times in a row, that's all. I'm quite happy to implement any suggestion you have, but you seem to have given up already. Why not actually make a positive suggestion as to what you want me to do and we can actually try to do something to help you? I genuinely do not know what you want me to do, so this is going to go around in circles until you make a suggestion as to what you actually want.

[eayragt]

[QUOTE=Caspel;407818]All of the injuries that have killed the fun all occurred when the fighters were ready to be booked for another fight, sitting around doing nothing.[/QUOTE] I'm not an expert, but I'd like to lay good money that real life MMA fighters don't just sit around doing nothing because they aren't currently booked for a fight - they train, and training increases the chance of getting injury. You other point about wrestlers being injured too long and should retire is really just a way the game handels retirements - and the game handles it so workers are [I]more [/I]available than in real life. In real life you're correct - workers get serious injuries, and retire. Then they recover, often get back into training, and then decide to come out of retirement. The difference in WMMA is that they're available as soon as they're back from they're injury, while in real life there's a peroid where they decide whether they want to get back into fighting. The real life example must be really annoying for real life bookers to work with - the way WMMA handles injuries is much cleaner, as you know whether or not someone is going to come back and when. I'm trying to think of a solution to your problem, but the only one that I can think of is top fighters being immune from long term injuries. But that would be horribly unrealistic.

[BlackJackRob21]

Caspel Caspel have you ever played a simulation? I've been personally blessed with good luck as most of my guys if injured will only be with the three month variety. I've played other games case in point Madden Football which had me lose Adrian Peterson running back for the Vikings for his career. In many of Adams wrestling games people also get injured quite often for to long. I'm also only guessing that the fighters getting injured are either older and or used more which may lead to more injuries. Don't be angry because Adam did not give you a big welcome, I don't think he ever has said hey you bought my game thanks man. I don't need that kind of help, I purchased the game because I know his products kick ass and that is all. I hope you will feel the same way if you give this game more time.

[Caspel]

I didn't buy the game, I am a journalist and reviewed it. All I wanted was a, "hey, actually you could go to this file and remove a current injury from a fighter." I mean, even moving the health back to 100, they still sit around doing nothing. So I was hoping there was a way to correct this problem rather than have to wait two years to put together a card that involved the two best fighters in the division. I simply don't want to wait, nor do I want to start over since I have put over 12-15 hrs into this game save already. Since you have no idea, or in fact there are now remedies, then here's a suggestion. These two year injuries should be lessened if not removed, or if this is too drastic, then how about being able to have an option to remove a current injury from the fighter. If all else fails, have serious injuries as an option to turn on and off since I am tired of waiting around for my prized fighter to heal.

[Derek B]

Wow, for someone who didn't even buy the game you sure do come across as a calm, rational and knowledgable person < /sarcasm>. And for a journalist, you sure do know how to write in an inflammatory style while making demands of people to vary a game just because something has happened to not go your way. And now... to stop the pseudo flaming that I'm fully aware I'm doing because I know it isn't helpful in any way. Injuries happen for a variety of reasons. If it isn't as a direct result of a match then it could be from training, or worse still, from car crashes or similar unfortunate events. As has been evidenced in many different sports, some injuries can be career ending but some injuries simply take a looooong time to recover from properly. In football (soccer) it can takes years to properly heal from a severely broken leg.. some players may simply retire rather than try to rehab it, others will push themselves to get back to the level of fitness required to play again. The results vary from person to person, so while a two year arm injury may retire one MMA fighter... it may also simply shelve another fighter for a couple of years while it heals. WMMA is a simulation of the MMA world and culture... and in MMA injuries happen. While it has been horribly bad luck for you to have lost so many big names to big injuries, it really is just luck. Sometimes luck goes in your favour and you get everything going your way, sometimes it goes against you. As someone who has been around these forums a LOT (too much probably) I can honestly say I've not heard of anyone having a run of luck as poor as yours has been. And personally, I feel that the options that you want (and that Adam seems to be considering) are entirely unnecessary as it goes against the nature of the game. Of course, everyone wants to play differently and it's always great to have options... but a game where injuries are such a HUGE factor suddenly having injuries toned down... that just seems to take something away from the game IMO. But then, I've said pretty much the same thing every time someone suggests an autobooker for TEW too so take that with a pinch of salt. :)

[grits207]

[QUOTE=Caspel;407947] These two year injuries should be lessened if not removed, or if this is too drastic, then how about being able to have an option to remove a current injury from the fighter. If all else fails, have serious injuries as an option to turn on and off since I am tired of waiting around for my prized fighter to heal.[/QUOTE] What is the point of a game if you have total control over everything that happens in it? If this was a constant thing I MIGHT see your point but I have only seen one 2 year injury in all the time I have played WMMA. If you want a remedy for your problem with injuries, I recommend you check out this [url]www.exitbadluck.com[/url] Edit- BTW if you want a real life example of a fighter being injured that seriously just look at Martin Kampmann. UFC was building him into a star and then he got hurt and hasn't fought in over a year (and won't be fighting any time soon).

[Actarus]

[QUOTE=Caspel;407818] I've never once asked for you to eliminate injuries, so stop bringing up that as if that's a cure to the problem. [B]What i am looking for is a way to get by the system and fix this damn problem in all of my games because it's ridiculous. If there's a way, I'd like to know.[/B][/QUOTE] Sigh... Solution: before your event, turn off auto-save. Sim event. If your "prize fighter" is injured and you can't deal with the reality of that situation (length & severity of injury is simply too much for you to book around), restore. Simple workaround, really.

[W3LSHY]

You've haven't bought the game. So your playing on the demo. You get 6 weeks on the demo. What different does it make if your guy is out for 2 years or 2 months. It doesn't. I fail to understand how you can be 'tired of waiting around for your prize fighter to heal' when you wob't have been playing the game for more than 6 weeks, let alone 2 friggin' years. Idiot.

[Clarity]

The other option could be to take some other worker and craft him into your new prized fighter

[Caspel]

Please don't bring up Martin Kampmann... he's a C Grade fighter. Actarus: the save thing only works for future games, not ones that have already saved and I can go back to insert the solution to the problem of these two year plagues that keep coming up. grits207: I feel that if the user stumbles upon an injury that he/she believes is unjust (two years for an elbow injury that has happened to one of my characters), then they could have the possibility of going to the injury and "healing" it. It's no different than being on the verge of being bankrupt in the game and going to the modify data to give yourself all the money in the world you need. The game already permits the player to have a lot of control over the business, but it's the booking that gets to me as having a star fighter that wins his matches within the 1st round without an injuries and at peak physical condition, go down during his break between fights is something that doesn't favor the player who is playing the game. I hope this brings to light why I am stunned that this keeps happening to me as if I am doomed to never get past the first full year without a full two year injury happening to my top fighters or getting suspended for drugs for a year. And about my "demands," I find that you are misinterpreting the point of this thread. Question 1: "Is there any way to go around these two year long injuries that alway occur to my top fighter in my organizations?" Answer 1: "Unless you want me to remove injuries entirely, I really don't see what I can do? Injuries are part of MMA, the game involves you being an MMA booker - I'm afraid it's simply part of your job is to deal with them, as it is to real life bookers." If he would have answered in a manner of, "hey, sorry about the bad luck, but as of right now there are no options to correct your situation. Healing an injury is done autonomously within the system and the user isn't able to remove an injury that is being rehabilitated at the time." Instead, what I received was poor feedback on how no one else experienced it and I am being too picky. Sorry it has escalated this far, but I thought for sure there would have been a better response that would have been answered within the first post. If I knew the options that I could have asked (as Adam asks "what do you want me to do"), then I would have. But I am not the developer of the title, so that's why I am on the forum board asking you for help rather than the other way around. I see that there's nothing we as the gamers can do or you as the developer can do at this time. I will be anticipating the next WMMA release in the future, but I think it's time to start concentrating on new titles to play -- I am sure GTA IV is going to be a pleasure, and of course watching the St. Pierre/Serra fight this weekend too. Thanks.

[Caspel]

[QUOTE=W3LSHY;407978]You've haven't bought the game. So your playing on the demo. You get 6 weeks on the demo. What different does it make if your guy is out for 2 years or 2 months. It doesn't. I fail to understand how you can be 'tired of waiting around for your prize fighter to heal' when you wob't have been playing the game for more than 6 weeks, let alone 2 friggin' years. Idiot.[/QUOTE] I am sorry, but you are the one misinformed and are coming off as an imbecile. Per the code I received, I have the full game. Mark W3LSHY down as one users the mods will want to pay attention to in the future; he'll bring forth posts that are full of moderate retardation.

[mad5226]

Correct me if I'm wrong but in the editor isn't there an injury file with the lists of injuries and severity of them. An easy solution would be to go into it before the game and remove the injuries you feel are "unreasonable"

[Clarity]

[QUOTE=Caspel;407947][B]I didn't buy the game,[/B] I am a journalist and reviewed it. All I wanted was a, "hey, actually you could go to this file and remove a current injury from a fighter." I mean, even moving the health back to 100, they still sit around doing nothing. So I was hoping there was a way to correct this problem rather than have to wait two years to put together a card that involved the two best fighters in the division. I simply don't want to wait, nor do I want to start over since I have put over 12-15 hrs into this game save already. Since you have no idea, or in fact there are now remedies, then here's a suggestion. These two year injuries should be lessened if not removed, or if this is too drastic, then how about being able to have an option to remove a current injury from the fighter. If all else fails, have serious injuries as an option to turn on and off since I am tired of waiting around for my prized fighter to heal.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]I am sorry, but you are the one misinformed and are coming off as an imbecile. Per the code I received, I have the full game. Mark W3LSHY down as one users the mods will want to pay attention to in the future; he'll bring forth posts that are full of moderate retardation.[/QUOTE]This is so full of holes.. You say you didn't buy the game but were emailed a code? Check the quote and you will see your exact words. You then claim to be a Journalist reviewing the game but your wanting to edit the game to reflect what you feel shouldn't of happened. Does it say the exact extent of the injury.. In fact, you have never even mention what they were. Maybe he had his leg run over by a car and has shattered his bones.. Who knows. Also have you ever considered that maybe your running your guys too hard. Surely any reviewer would check more than 3 games to see if its a constant thing. Try another promotion and see if their top workers were effected as well. Considering that your the only one experiencing this, could mean that its more what your doing than what the games doing.

[Comradebot]

Okay, I know I've only played the demon of WMMA, and despite my lack of knowledge of how the real life world of MMA works, it came off as a very solid game. That aside, I'm a diehard fan of Ryland's other franchise, TEW. Where, much like WMMA, bad luck can screw you royally in the wrong circumstances. In the fed I'm currently running I've had suffered through injuries, bad chemistry at the worst of times, and of course having 90% of the people with talent stolen by larger organizations. So did I quit and throw my hands in the air because the guy I was grooming to be champion suddenly jumped ship? No. Losing a top guy sucks, but all it means is now you'll have to look to someone else to build up. Suck it up and take that gaming punch like a man. The fact remains, you've just had a very bad run of bad luck. To be able to simply "remove" injuries would take a large factor of the fun out of these games. It's like beating a game with God mode on, anyone can do it and while it can be mildly amusing it will quickly ruin the fun factor in the game (as you'll have removed the challenge). Perhaps two year injuries COULD be less frequent (though they are very plausible), but I supposse that's up to Ryland. On a side note... did you happen to drop that whole "I'm a reviewer" thing as a scare tactic to get Ryland to bow down to your demands, under the possible threat of you writing a bad review? Seems like extortion might be a rather exorbitant measure to resort to for such a minor issue.... about a computer game.

[Caspel]

[QUOTE=Clarity;408001]This is so full of holes.. You say you didn't buy the game but were emailed a code? Check the quote and you will see your exact words. You then claim to be a Journalist reviewing the game but your wanting to edit the game to reflect what you feel shouldn't of happened. Does it say the exact extent of the injury.. In fact, you have never even mention what they were. Maybe he had his leg run over by a car and has shattered his bones.. Who knows. Also have you ever considered that maybe your running your guys too hard. Surely any reviewer would check more than 3 games to see if its a constant thing. Try another promotion and see if their top workers were effected as well. Considering that your the only one experiencing this, could mean that its more what your doing than what the games doing.[/QUOTE] I have already reviewed it a few months ago, so this isn't harming any scale of my objectivity. I am stating that I am a reviewer because... [QUOTE]Don't be angry because Adam did not give you a big welcome, I don't think he ever has said hey you bought my game thanks man.[/QUOTE] to clear it up. The game is solid, and outside of my two year plagues that I keep receiving to my top fighters, I have enjoyed it. So no, it's not a threat, it's a statement of where I am coming from. And there's no holes -- I asked Grey Dog Software PR for a code, they e-mailed me one, I entered it in, and bam, full game at my finger tips. Anyway, for those who are adamant on trying to prove a point, please stop. I know the game is good and I am sure many others do, I just don't agree on the two year injury that comes up.

[Blehschmidt]

My solution: Stop playing and give your free code to someone who isn't going to bitch about something he got for free. What's next: "Gosh, this free money is too green"

[Adam Ryland]

[QUOTE]These two year injuries should be lessened if not removed, or if this is too drastic, then how about being able to have an option to remove a current injury from the fighter. If all else fails, have serious injuries as an option to turn on and off since I am tired of waiting around for my prized fighter to heal.[/QUOTE] I will look into the frequency of injuries which require more than a year and consider reducing them in the next patch.