Race Question for Adam

[Game]

This may seem insane to some but with the addition of the Race option to characters in TEW 08, would there be an option for Character Problems of "Racist." Like someone who only wanted to work with their own race. Or as a booker would not push/sign a lot of people based on their race being different than there own. I am not saying this is common in pro wrestling today, (it really is though,) I just think it would be another interesting part of the game.

[Regis]

[QUOTE=Game;410148]I am not saying this is common in pro wrestling today, (it really is though,) I just think it would be another interesting part of the game.[/QUOTE] I agree that it would make an interesting feature, but... how can you not be saying that something is a problem when you say that it is in the same sentence? I've got no problems with the suggestion, it's just that the statement there is somewhat unclear.

[Wallbanger]

Well, gee, why don't we put homophobes in too? That'll make all the Warrior-bashers happy. :rolleyes: Come on folks, the only reason these things are in are for demographic accuracy, not to make political or social statements. Stop trying to make this something it isn't.

[gazwefc83]

Well said Wallbanger

[syndicate]

this is a absolutely ridiculous idea

[Frank_Vest]

Wow, I really hope that in 2008 there aren't any wrestlers who wouldn't work with someone based on race. No way should this be in the game.

[Sons of Kohral]

[QUOTE=syndicate;410192]this is a absolutely ridiculous idea[/QUOTE] It's not a ridiculous idea. For added realism, it's a valid suggestion, but I don't think it has a place in TEW.

[shamelessposer]

Adding racism to the game would certainly make things more realistic, but it's not the sort of thing that could be handled easily with a checkbox. Bill Watts is regarded by a lot of people as a racist, but if it wasn't for him we probably wouldn't have had Ron Simmons as WCW champion. Junkyard Dog was a huge draw no matter where in the US he worked. Even if it was possible to accurately simulate the racist atmosphere of the wrestling industry from decades past right up to the modern day, I think this is one area where "realism" and "fun" don't intersect. And I'd hardly think that people who have been targets of racism themselves would want that aspect of their lives invading their wrestling sims.

[Arrows]

[QUOTE=shamelessposer;410200]Adding racism to the game would certainly make things more realistic, but it's not the sort of thing that could be handled easily with a checkbox. Bill Watts is regarded by a lot of people as a racist, but if it wasn't for him we probably wouldn't have had Ron Simmons as WCW champion. Junkyard Dog was a huge draw no matter where in the US he worked. Even if it was possible to accurately simulate the racist atmosphere of the wrestling industry from decades past right up to the modern day, I think this is one area where "realism" and "fun" don't intersect. And I'd hardly think that people who have been targets of racism themselves would want that aspect of their lives invading their wrestling sims.[/QUOTE] Well said.

[cappyboy]

[QUOTE=shamelessposer;410200]Adding racism to the game would certainly make things more realistic, but it's not the sort of thing that could be handled easily with a checkbox. Bill Watts is regarded by a lot of people as a racist, but if it wasn't for him we probably wouldn't have had Ron Simmons as WCW champion. Junkyard Dog was a huge draw no matter where in the US he worked. Even if it was possible to accurately simulate the racist atmosphere of the wrestling industry from decades past right up to the modern day, I think this is one area where "realism" and "fun" don't intersect. And I'd hardly think that people who have been targets of racism themselves would want that aspect of their lives invading their wrestling sims.[/QUOTE] Very well said. And in fact a better point that Wallbanger's as far as I'm concerned. Not that he's wrong about keeping the social experiment stuff out. But it comes down more to the fact that folks often play games to break away from issues like racism and homophobia. Putting them in a wrestling sim kinda defeats that purpose. It's part of why I was never too concerned about alternate sexualities or races in the game. It may make the in-game demographics more realistic and in that respect it's cool that race, homo, and bisexuality are in now. But it also opens the door to conversations like this. Which sadly aren't unreasonable extensions of representing the Kanyons, LuFistos, and Orlando Jordans of the industry so directly.

[Sigilistic]

[QUOTE=Wallbanger;410176]Warrior-bashers[/QUOTE] You say that like it's a bad thing.

[sprinklefurball]

[QUOTE]"[URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=KO-tobS1nl0"]E[I]veryone's a little bit racist[/I][/URL]" source: Avenue Q[/QUOTE] Anyways, if this were to be in the game it would probably take too much work to make any sense, it would have to be a bar for tolerance for each race and sexuality and the end result would be more pointless than the work to make it would be.

[darthsiddus2]

it'd be too much work. to add another aspect such as being racist or bisexual etc. would be too much work to an already huge personal section.

[The Bus]

Maybe it would just somehow be linked to system how relationships are formed, but I don't have the slightest clue on programming so I'm not going say too much on it. But for me it seems that this wouldn't be a easy task to set the level of racism "right" and I can certainly enjoy the game without it. It wouldn't be too bad if we could all get along, at least in the cornellverse...

[BurningHamster]

I think it would be cool to have the game overflowing with racists and homophobes, and possibly even gay sexual predators ala Victor Quinones and Terry Garvin. Imagine the hilarity when you have to figure out how to resolve massive backstage racewars and inappropriate man on man sexual harassment? Yeah, too much work.

[sprinklefurball]

[quote=BurningHamster;410617]and possibly even gay sexual predators ala Victor Quinones and Terry Garvin.[/quote] Or Rob Feinstein...*shudders*

[sprinklefurball]

[quote=darthsiddus2;410601]it'd be too much work. to add another aspect such as being racist or bisexual etc. would be too much work to an already huge personal section.[/quote] Bisexual was announced the day sexuality was announced.

[djthefunkchris]

Look... If you want to simulate racism, there is no need to blemish the whole game with it. Most of us would rather not have to deal with, or even think about "Racism" in a game. If you want it in your's, just have worker's hate each other... If someone is a White Racist pig, have him hate everyone else that is NOT white, and everyone white that has "other then" white friends. Same for whatever race you want to use on someone. Don't ask for ALL of us to have to deal with it though.

[Rick Arnold]

There's enough work to do in the game as it is, I don't need to spend extra time reprimanding Pat Patterson for molesting Little Lordbrook, Lanny Poffo for showing off his "skills" to the other boys and Buck Zumhofe for doing what he does to the ring rats... But I would love to deal with reprimanding Randy Orton for doing what he does in gym bags. So if that could make it into the game somehow, that'd be great......

[Game]

My point is, don't make anyone in your game a racist then. Also, we are going for realism here. Lets be realistic here, it happens. True in Adam's fantasy world, but in a real world data, its for real. Lets not put drug issues in the game either or anything else that makes the world seem harsh. Maybe in your fantasy game racism and homophobia isn't real. I am sorry that my ingame reality isn't as good as your gumdrop fairy TEW database. Anyways, its not a feature you have to use, but I want it and I am sure some others would use it. Anything to make running a wCw game more fun.

[Wallbanger]

You seem to have a unique idea of fun, considering the overall response here. And making sweeping personal generalizations really makes your case for you. I for one don't see this thread going anywhere good.

[Blasphemywebleed]

Its pretty clear where this thread is heading and I think its run its course. It should be closed and if Adam has anything to say on it then i'm sure he will.