Masks and Long Hair

[Raderick]

Some of the biggest drawing matches in the history of Lucha Libre are [I]Luchas de Apuestas[/I] (or [I]'fight of bets'[/I] for those who don't know Spanish). I don't remember if this was part of TEW 2007 but I'd like to see something that lets you know if a certain wrestler wears a mask, or has long hair. This would make sense for when, for example, I want to book two wrestlers to fight for their mask or for their hair.

[rajde]

It would be cool to have some description of physical characteristics. Maybe even possibly designing specific things for specific gimmicks.

[Sons of Kohral]

This would actually be really cool, because those matches in Mexico are like career defining bouts. I'd love to see it implemented.

[Eddy Snow]

Think of all the extra research and coding needed though, plus they are already in to a point, maybe if you want that level of detail you could simply put 'lost mask' in the bio using the in-game editor. Plus if it was implemented properly, where after losing a mask overness nosedives, think of the threads on here with people complaining that Crap-E Wrestling had booked the players main masked star into a loss in a mask vs mask match.

[flashmagic]

[QUOTE=Sons of Kohral;415796]This would actually be really cool, because those matches in Mexico are like career defining bouts. I'd love to see it implemented.[/QUOTE] For some. For others it's an easy payday. Some wrestlers lose their hair every three months (Los Brazos, Satanico, etc.), or like Super Muñeco who has random indy guys don a mask for one night just to lose it to him & his ever increasing mask win #.. It would be hard to simulate, atleast realistically. For example for a well known wrestler's mask the promoter often pays a huge some of money to the losing wrestler. I know Dr. Wagner Jr.'s been offering to put his mask up for grabs to promoters for $250,000 the past few years. For whatever it's worth, I'm against the idea, as the feature is already in under the same basic idea of the match (I would think to create a memorable match, with maybe some added oomf for importance) can already be done with proper booking (& hyping of the match) & some imagination.

[Irish Wolf]

Didn't WreSpi 2 have tick boxes for masks and hair?

[Raderick]

[QUOTE=Eddy Snow;415811]Think of all the extra research and coding needed though, plus they are already in to a point, maybe if you want that level of detail you could simply put 'lost mask' in the bio using the in-game editor. Plus if it was implemented properly, where after losing a mask overness nosedives, think of the threads on here with people complaining that Crap-E Wrestling had booked the players main masked star into a loss in a mask vs mask match.[/QUOTE] In that case it's the fault of the player, not the programmer for lousy booking. Also at the same time winning another wrestler's mask usually helps his popularity almost ten-fold. La Parka Jr. took the masks of Cibernetico and Muerte Cibernetica (Ricky Bandaras, now El Mesias), and look at him now, one of AAA's top draws.

[flashmagic]

[QUOTE=Raderick;415830]In that case it's the fault of the player, not the programmer for lousy booking. Also at the same time winning another wrestler's mask usually helps his popularity almost ten-fold. La Parka Jr. took the masks of Cibernetico and Muerte Cibernetica (Ricky Bandaras, now El Mesias), and look at him now, one of AAA's top draws.[/QUOTE] He was AAA's second top babyface (after Latin Lover) way before either of those matches, neither match help make him a star. The only one truly "helped" from those matches was Cibernetico whose natural charisma was able to shine now that the mask was off.

[Phantom Stranger]

[QUOTE=Raderick;415830]In that case it's the fault of the player, not the programmer for lousy booking. Also at the same time winning another wrestler's mask usually helps his popularity almost ten-fold. La Parka Jr. took the masks of Cibernetico and Muerte Cibernetica (Ricky Bandaras, now El Mesias), and look at him now, one of AAA's top draws.[/QUOTE] Uh, not necessarily. We know tew2008 will go into more detail on what matches the AI booked. That said, I just made a match appropriate for when I ran a Mascara y Mascara contest between two luchadors in my ROF game - as I recall, lucha libre rules with a much higher match prestige. Afterward I had to edit the losing worker's pic and main bio, but that wasn't a big issue. (El Bandito was unmasked as Hector Montez (which may or may not be his name in canon) by El Critico, if anyone cares).

[alden]

I really am hoping for an entire lucah rework as japan was done in 07. There are so many small things in luchalebra that make it diffrent then say puro or even entertainment wrestling. The mask/hair match is huge. I think national opinion is something also. In mexico wrestling is followed almost like a relgion. If you get to cult status you are made for life. Look at mill mascares, that man is a legend in that country. I don't mean like hogan is a legend here. It is entirly diffrent level their.

[flashmagic]

[QUOTE=alden;415902]I really am hoping for an entire lucah rework as japan was done in 07. There are so many small things in luchalebra that make it diffrent then say puro or even entertainment wrestling. The mask/hair match is huge. I think national opinion is something also. In mexico wrestling is followed almost like a relgion. If you get to cult status you are made for life. Look at mill mascares, that man is a legend in that country. I don't mean like hogan is a legend here. It is entirly diffrent level their.[/QUOTE] No he isn't. The only national hero was Santo. I'm really unsure where some people get these ideas of lucha, it's not a "religion" it's a sport, a sport that is easily accessible cheap entertaining show for the average Mexican to take their family to. In many ways it is like the old territorial system of the 70's in the US where its just one of those things that families go to every week, sometimes multiple times in one week, where they can forget about there money problems & let some energy out at a sport cheering the good guys, booing bad guys & just having a good time. Different areas of Mexico will employ different workers & when a worker from say Juarez gets to Arena Mexico in Mexico City, they've hit the bigtime, much like in the old school US where workers were in territories, they'd move from place to place hoping to get to New York or St. Louis. The other misconception about lucha is it's all flying, a misconception I think perpetuated by WCW when they brought in the luchadores, with the orders to just do highspots. And while there are many innovative acrobatic workers, there are also lots of tremendous mat based workers & violent hate filled brawlers.

[Fleisch]

I use my imagination to a point in 2007. I have added the hair v hair, hair v mask matches to my match database, as high prestige matches then like someone says, I add a note to their bio saying they lost their mask/hair at (whatever event). Even if you had a tick box that says "long hair" and another that says "mask" I don't see what it adds to the game when you can just select a match type and use your imagination a bit.

[Raderick]

[QUOTE=Fleisch;415971]I use my imagination to a point in 2007. I have added the hair v hair, hair v mask matches to my match database, as high prestige matches then like someone says, I add a note to their bio saying they lost their mask/hair at (whatever event). Even if you had a tick box that says "long hair" and another that says "mask" I don't see what it adds to the game when you can just select a match type and use your imagination a bit.[/QUOTE] Not sure if you read the rest of the thread, but in countries that take in wrestling much like any other sport, one's mask is a huge deal, to the point that it [b]makes[/b] the wrestler. La Parka's hoodie is part of what that gimmick is. Just the mask of Blue Demon is a huge marketing ploy in North America. The mask of Kane was what made the gimmick from 1997-2003 and a lot of people today still see the mask when they think of Kane. Now in Mexico, if you're a star and you lose your mask, it is a huge deal. With some wrestlers, losing the mask would murder your popularity and sometimes end your wrestling career. And with some losing their mask (Cibernetico being one mentioned above) it allows him to break out and maybe even get more popularity. Hell, there are even laws in Mexico that say that once you're unmasked, you can't put one back on, it's that serious.

[gingarob]

While I think this suggestion holds some merit I think some people are asking for their hand to held a little bit too much while playing this game. A Mask vs. Mask, Hair vs. Hair, etc match can be easily created (I particularly like how Phantom Stranger mentioned) with a good buildup. There is really no need for this to be a coded feature - there is nothing stopping someone running a storyline culminating in such a match already.