A decent Glenn Beck tonight?

[Guest The Aussie]

Last week, Glenn Beck had featured Jack Thompson on his show and it was the most idiotic thing ever to watch as they sprouted lies concerning GTA IV. Gamers themselves are getting a shot back at them with the authors of Grand Theft Childhood appearing on the show tonight to give the side of the argument that gamers have. It should be interesting to watch if they absolutely poke his arguments full of holes. I'll catch it on youtube soon as I don't get any form of CNN at my house.

[mjdgoldeneye]

[QUOTE=The Aussie;417187]Last week, Glenn Beck had featured Jack Thompson on his show and it was the most idiotic thing ever to watch as they sprouted lies concerning GTA IV. Gamers themselves are getting a shot back at them with the authors of Grand Theft Childhood appearing on the show tonight to give the side of the argument that gamers have. It should be interesting to watch if they absolutely poke his arguments full of holes. I'll catch it on youtube soon as I don't get any form of CNN at my house.[/QUOTE] I just watched part 1 on your site, and it was relatively logical up until Thompson said GTA was responsible for multiple acts of violence including Virginia Tech where the killer trained on Counter Strike... Read that last sentence again... The 2 parts don't match! That's like saying "GTA IS EVIL! HITLER LED THE HOLOCAUST!" and expecting people to see the 2 parts mesh together... THEN he starts listing obviously nonexistant features of the games that he must of pulled out of his ass... :rolleyes:

[BIGJOSH]

Someone have a link to the first part?

[Guest The Aussie]

[QUOTE=mjdgoldeneye;417192]I just watched part 1 on your site, and it was relatively logical up until Thompson said GTA was responsible for multiple acts of violence including Virginia Tech where the killer trained on Counter Strike... Read that last sentence again... The 2 parts don't match! That's like saying "GTA IS EVIL! HITLER LED THE HOLOCAUST!" and expecting people to see the 2 parts mesh together... THEN he starts listing obviously nonexistant features of the games that he must of pulled out of his ass... :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] That's why I said it would cause an anyuerysm on my website. I don't even take Thompson seriously anymore with what he says.

[Guest The Aussie]

[QUOTE=BIGJOSH;417194]Someone have a link to the first part?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.freewebs.com/the-auzzie/anhonestopinion.htm"] Embedded on this webpage[/URL] A chance to be helpful and pimp my website? Very Nice

[Arrows]

Gotta love retarded people who don't get the concept of: If the parents would get off their asses and do something with their kids, it wouldn't be happening to begin with.

[Astil]

[QUOTE=Arrows;417201]Gotta love retarded people who don't get the concept of: If the parents would get off their asses and do something with their kids, it wouldn't be happening to begin with.[/QUOTE] A - f'g - men

[Guest The Aussie]

Well. I caught a clip of it and the highlight of the video is this [QUOTE] [I]I will tell you that all these video gamers… they’re bloggers, as well as video gamers - they’re writing all kinds of stuff about me [that] I’m the enemy now of video gamers. I could care less about video games. Video game bloggers? They’re losers…[/I][/QUOTE] ORLY?

[Undertaker666]

I agree with Glenn Beck 100%. After playing the very first GTA I turned into a homicidal maniac and went on a killing spree, I was an impressionable 15 years or so of age at the time so it wasn't really my fault. When the London expansion pack was released the same thing happened again, the only difference is that I found myself talking like someone out of Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. By the time GTA 2 came about, it was just like the original GTA all over again, murder and mayhem. I thought that by the time GTA III came about I would have matured enough to find myself immune to its effects but alas it was not to be. On a regular basis I found myself sitting motionless next to a prostitute in a stolen car while the car rocked about and the girl moaned with pleasure. I decided to go cold turkey and avoid the game but the lure of Vice City drew me in. I found myself going back to causing chaos at every turn whilst wearing my pastel suits with rolled up jacket sleeves, much to the amusement of my friends, and listening to the likes of Frankie Goes To Hollywood and Soft Cell as I went along. Once again I felt the need to cut myself off from the game but then San Andreas came along. Within days I was calling people "homies" and "fools", I even changed my hair to dreadlocks and painted myself black as I drove around the streets doing drive-bys to bust a cap in someones ass. I thought my homicidal tendencies had passed, I was finally free from GTA's vice-like grip but then GTA IV was released and it all started again. The game provided so much realism I felt like a god. I instantly knew how to hot-wire cars, fly a helicopter and accurately shoot people in the head from hundreds of yards away, afterall the game is a very accurate simulator. You're probably all wondering how i've avoided prison after all these years of murder, theft and arson? The answer of course is because GTA taught me that as soon as the police chased me all I had to do was drive to the nearest paint shop and my wanted level would instantly disappear, so simple! If more criminals knew this information then maybe we wouldn't have over crowding in the prisons.... Wait, scrub everything I just said because it's all complete and utter bs. GTA is as much of a "murder simulator" as Virtua Tennis is a "tennis simulator". GTA teaches you nothing and doesn't make you do anything in the real world if you're of sound mind. The media machine creates all this controversy because it needs someone or something to blame so the public can feel safe when they know who the "bad man" is. The Columbine Massacre, [I]"It's Marilyn Manson's fault"[/I].... 9/11, [I]"lets blame Osama Bin Laden and then move on to Saddam Hussein"[/I].... Virgina Tech Massacre, [I]"well he played a lot of Counter Strike, it must've been that damn game that made him do it"[/I]. The fact remains that the media is there to provide the public a 'comfort zone' by giving them an answer to a problem. If we banned all 'violent' games, music, films and TV, then will we all suddenly live in a utopia? Of course not, acts of violence and other crime will still happen, that will then be the point in time that everyone should be worried because there's no-one left to blame. The individuals who commit crime are the ones to blame, not any musician or computer game. I listen to 'angry' music, have watched countless horror movies and play 'violent' games so why am I not a homicidal maniac? Because i'm not an idiot and i'm not crazy. Hearing another ridiculous argument that "violent media creates violence" might cause me to lose my sanity though. :rolleyes: There are two main topics of discussion that really get me riled up, religion and "violence caused by games/music/TV/films". I'm going to grab a beer before I ramble on more.... Here endeth the lesson.

[AfRoMaN36]

[QUOTE=Undertaker666;417331]I agree with Glenn Beck 100%. After playing the very first GTA I turned into a homicidal maniac and went on a killing spree, I was an impressionable 15 years or so of age at the time so it wasn't really my fault. When the London expansion pack was released the same thing happened again, the only difference is that I found myself talking like someone out of Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. By the time GTA 2 came about, it was just like the original GTA all over again, murder and mayhem. I thought that by the time GTA III came about I would have matured enough to find myself immune to its effects but alas it was not to be. On a regular basis I found myself sitting motionless next to a prostitute in a stolen car while the car rocked about and the girl moaned with pleasure. I decided to go cold turkey and avoid the game but the lure of Vice City drew me in. I found myself going back to causing chaos at every turn whilst wearing my pastel suits with rolled up jacket sleeves, much to the amusement of my friends, and listening to the likes of Frankie Goes To Hollywood and Soft Cell as I went along. Once again I felt the need to cut myself off from the game but then San Andreas came along. Within days I was calling people "homies" and "fools", I even changed my hair to dreadlocks and painted myself black as I drove around the streets doing drive-bys to bust a cap in someones ass. I thought my homicidal tendencies had passed, I was finally free from GTA's vice-like grip but then GTA IV was released and it all started again. The game provided so much realism I felt like a god. I instantly knew how to hot-wire cars, fly a helicopter and accurately shoot people in the head from hundreds of yards away, afterall the game is a very accurate simulator. You're probably all wondering how i've avoided prison after all these years of murder, theft and arson? The answer of course is because GTA taught me that as soon as the police chased me all I had to do was drive to the nearest paint shop and my wanted level would instantly disappear, so simple! If more criminals knew this information then maybe we wouldn't have over crowding in the prisons.... Wait, scrub everything I just said because it's all complete and utter bs. GTA is as much of a "murder simulator" as Virtua Tennis is a "tennis simulator". GTA teaches you nothing and doesn't make you do anything in the real world if you're of sound mind. The media machine creates all this controversy because it needs someone or something to blame so the public can feel safe when they know who the "bad man" is. The Columbine Massacre, [I]"It's Marilyn Manson's fault"[/I].... 9/11, [I]"lets blame Osama Bin Laden and then move on to Saddam Hussein"[/I].... Virgina Tech Massacre, [I]"well he played a lot of Counter Strike, it must've been that damn game that made him do it"[/I]. The fact remains that the media is there to provide the public a 'comfort zone' by giving them an answer to a problem. If we banned all 'violent' games, music, films and TV, then will we all suddenly live in a utopia? Of course not, acts of violence and other crime will still happen, that will then be the point in time that everyone should be worried because there's no-one left to blame. The individuals who commit crime are the ones to blame, not any musician or computer game. I listen to 'angry' music, have watched countless horror movies and play 'violent' games so why am I not a homicidal maniac? Because i'm not an idiot and i'm not crazy. Hearing another ridiculous argument that "violent media creates violence" might cause me to lose my sanity though. :rolleyes: There are two main topics of discussion that really get me riled up, religion and "violence caused by games/music/TV/films". I'm going to grab a beer before I ramble on more.... Here endeth the lesson.[/QUOTE] QFT

[Astil]

[QUOTE=Undertaker666;417331]I agree with Glenn Beck 100%. After playing the very first GTA I turned into a homicidal maniac and went on a killing spree, I was an impressionable 15 years or so of age at the time so it wasn't really my fault. When the London expansion pack was released the same thing happened again, the only difference is that I found myself talking like someone out of Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. By the time GTA 2 came about, it was just like the original GTA all over again, murder and mayhem. I thought that by the time GTA III came about I would have matured enough to find myself immune to its effects but alas it was not to be. On a regular basis I found myself sitting motionless next to a prostitute in a stolen car while the car rocked about and the girl moaned with pleasure. I decided to go cold turkey and avoid the game but the lure of Vice City drew me in. I found myself going back to causing chaos at every turn whilst wearing my pastel suits with rolled up jacket sleeves, much to the amusement of my friends, and listening to the likes of Frankie Goes To Hollywood and Soft Cell as I went along. Once again I felt the need to cut myself off from the game but then San Andreas came along. Within days I was calling people "homies" and "fools", I even changed my hair to dreadlocks and painted myself black as I drove around the streets doing drive-bys to bust a cap in someones ass. I thought my homicidal tendencies had passed, I was finally free from GTA's vice-like grip but then GTA IV was released and it all started again. The game provided so much realism I felt like a god. I instantly knew how to hot-wire cars, fly a helicopter and accurately shoot people in the head from hundreds of yards away, afterall the game is a very accurate simulator. You're probably all wondering how i've avoided prison after all these years of murder, theft and arson? The answer of course is because GTA taught me that as soon as the police chased me all I had to do was drive to the nearest paint shop and my wanted level would instantly disappear, so simple! If more criminals knew this information then maybe we wouldn't have over crowding in the prisons.... Wait, scrub everything I just said because it's all complete and utter bs. GTA is as much of a "murder simulator" as Virtua Tennis is a "tennis simulator". GTA teaches you nothing and doesn't make you do anything in the real world if you're of sound mind. The media machine creates all this controversy because it needs someone or something to blame so the public can feel safe when they know who the "bad man" is. The Columbine Massacre, [I]"It's Marilyn Manson's fault"[/I].... 9/11, [I]"lets blame Osama Bin Laden and then move on to Saddam Hussein"[/I].... Virgina Tech Massacre, [I]"well he played a lot of Counter Strike, it must've been that damn game that made him do it"[/I]. The fact remains that the media is there to provide the public a 'comfort zone' by giving them an answer to a problem. If we banned all 'violent' games, music, films and TV, then will we all suddenly live in a utopia? Of course not, acts of violence and other crime will still happen, that will then be the point in time that everyone should be worried because there's no-one left to blame. The individuals who commit crime are the ones to blame, not any musician or computer game. I listen to 'angry' music, have watched countless horror movies and play 'violent' games so why am I not a homicidal maniac? Because i'm not an idiot and i'm not crazy. Hearing another ridiculous argument that "violent media creates violence" might cause me to lose my sanity though. :rolleyes: There are two main topics of discussion that really get me riled up, religion and "violence caused by games/music/TV/films". I'm going to grab a beer before I ramble on more.... Here endeth the lesson.[/QUOTE] *applause* E-Mail this to every news agency, if they want the 'gamers' side of the story.

[Undertaker666]

[QUOTE=Astil;417837]*applause* E-Mail this to every news agency, if they want the 'gamers' side of the story.[/QUOTE] Feel free to quote it anywhere you wish. It is about time that the media gave the views of gamers rather than just giving the opinions of "experts". GTA IV now has the fastest selling record for a 24 hour period in the UK, it sold around 609,000 copies. If the scare mongers out there are to be believed then the UK should now have fallen into chaos, with murders, theft and arson happening all over the country. Afterall, we should now have 609,000 (you can easily double that figure because friends and family will have played it) homicidal maniacs roaming the streets. Strange that hasn't happened though.... :rolleyes:

[Guest The Aussie]

[QUOTE=Undertaker666;417908]Feel free to quote it anywhere you wish. It is about time that the media gave the views of gamers rather than just giving the opinions of "experts". GTA IV now has the fastest selling record for a 24 hour period in the UK, it sold around 609,000 copies. If the scare mongers out there are to be believed then the UK should now have fallen into chaos, with murders, theft and arson happening all over the country. Afterall, we should now have 609,000 (you can easily double that figure because friends and family will have played it) homicidal maniacs roaming the streets. Strange that hasn't happened though.... :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Has there even been that many homicides in the UK within the time span between the release of GTA III and IV?

[Undertaker666]

[QUOTE=The Aussie;418120]Has there even been that many homicides in the UK within the time span between the release of GTA III and IV?[/QUOTE] There hasn't been that many homicides between the release of Halloween in 1978 to GTA IV in 2008. :p . A quick check shows that there were almost 900 murders in England and Wales during the period between 2004 to 2005. Lets be generous and say there are 1000 each year: 30 years x 1000 = 30,000 Not even close to Grand Theft Auto sales. ------------------ In more detail, annual murder toll: March 1999 - March 2000 = 760 March 2000 - March 2001 = 792 March 2001 - March 2002 = 891 March 2002 - March 2003 = 1,048 (876) (This includes 172 attributed to Harold Shipman - serial killer) March 2003 - March 2004 = 853 March 2004 - March 2005 = 868 March 2005 - March 2006 = 765 (includes 54 victims of the July bombings in London) March 2006 - March 2007 = 755 As you can see, only once in the last 9 years has the UK ever gone above 1000 and that was due to a psychopath doctor who murdered people over the course of decades so that number shouldn't be added with that year anyway. ------------------ In contrast, the USA has around 16,000+ deaths a year due to murder. 30 years x 16,000 = 480,000 Even using the USA's figures we haven't reached the sales figures for the UK!