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I thought I'd kick this off.... please let us know who you think is the ihghest rated in each stat category. This will be for a current real world mod so only active (or recently active) wrestlers are eligible. Below I'll list all the categories and my opinion of each.... most are going to be Us workers as I haven't watched any Japan stuff for a while..... Brawling: HHH or Samoa Joe Puroresu: Kenta Kobashi Hardcore: Necro Butcher Aerial: Jack Evans Flashiness: Jack Evans or AJ Styles Mat Work: Bryan Danielson Chain Wrestling: Mcguinness, Danielson or Shawn Michaels Submissions: Kurt Angle Microphone: Ric Flair or Steve Austin Charisma: Hulk Hogan Acting: Shawn Michaels or William Regal Announcing: Jim Ross or Dave Prazak Athleticism: Shelton Benjamin Toughness: Brock Lesnar Stamina: Bryan Danielson Power: Mark Henry or Big Show Basics: William Regal or HBK Psychology: Hulk Hogan Safety: HBK Consistency: HBK Selling: HBK Respect: Undertaker Reputation: Undertaker Sex Appeal: Maria Star Quality: Flair & Hogan Menace: Great Khali Intensity: Angle, Kobashi or Joe Stiffness: Khali Resilience: William Regal, Finlay or Flair Refereeing: Bryce Remsberg MMA Style: Ken shamrock, Tito Ortiz & Angle I'm sure there are a few I've missed but that's why I started this thread, hopefully there'll be a majority vote on each we can go with.
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Some alternate thoughts of my own Aerial: Takuya Sugi Flashiness: PAC Mat Work: Chris Hero Chain Wrestling: Quackenbush or McGuinness Submissions: Quackenbush Announcing: Jim Ross, Prazak has gone well downhill Toughness: Necro Butcher Stamina: Bryan Danielson Basics: Danielson Psychology: Raven Safety: El Generico Sex Appeal: Becky Bayless Menace: Big Show Refereeing: Bryce Remsberg or PJ Drummond
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[QUOTE=CarlitoCoool;429175]I thought I'd kick this off.... please let us know who you think is the ihghest rated in each stat category. This will be for a current real world mod so only active (or recently active) wrestlers are eligible. Below I'll list all the categories and my opinion of each.... most are going to be Us workers as I haven't watched any Japan stuff for a while..... Brawling: HHH or Samoa Joe Puroresu: Kenta Kobashi Hardcore: Necro Butcher Aerial: Jack Evans Flashiness: Jack Evans or AJ Styles Mat Work: Bryan Danielson Chain Wrestling: Mcguinness, Danielson or Shawn Michaels Submissions: Kurt Angle Microphone: Ric Flair or Steve Austin Charisma: Hulk Hogan Acting: Shawn Michaels or William Regal Announcing: Jim Ross or Dave Prazak Athleticism: Shelton Benjamin Toughness: Brock Lesnar Stamina: Bryan Danielson Power: Mark Henry or Big Show Basics: William Regal or HBK Psychology: Hulk Hogan Safety: HBK Consistency: HBK Selling: HBK Respect: Undertaker Reputation: Undertaker Sex Appeal: Maria Star Quality: Flair & Hogan Menace: Great Khali Intensity: Angle, Kobashi or Joe Stiffness: Khali Resilience: William Regal, Finlay or Flair Refereeing: Bryce Remsberg MMA Style: Ken shamrock, Tito Ortiz & Angle I'm sure there are a few I've missed but that's why I started this thread, hopefully there'll be a majority vote on each we can go with.[/QUOTE] Mic and acting should be rock. That aside perfect list.
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[QUOTE=G-Prime;429217]I've just gotta say, I can't stand Dave Prazak. If I didn't hate watching wrestling without crowd noise, I'd just mute him out.[/QUOTE] That's weird. I find Dave Prazak to be my favorite announcer in all of wrestling. Ben Jordan is pretty good too, but I don't think he'd fare to well outside of the IWA Mid South style. Mike Quackenbush will make a hell of an announcer if he ever gives up wrestling full time. Aside from that, I think Carlito's list at the start was pretty spot on. Stiffness though, I'd put New Jack in there. When the guy hits you with something, you know you've been hit. He doesn't seem to like taking care of people in the ring unless he's put them through hell before, or he has a respect for them.
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[QUOTE=Gabriel;429223] Stiffness though, I'd put New Jack in there.[/QUOTE] Good call, see that's why I wanted everyone's input :) Thanks for the feedback so far guys. If we can keep this thread to be purely your stats will be much easier for us to sort through.
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I think I'd totally agree with Kobe, the list is near perfect... I dont know if I could argue too many points. Acting: not saying he's better than what you or anyone else mentioned by Santino (my favorite wrestler) is doing a great job acting! Sex Appeal: For a guy, and I mean this the most hetro of ways, the number one guy has to be John Cena. I manage a spencer gifts, we sell WWE merchandise and girl young and old buy everything with dudes picture on it. They go on and one about him. Some of them never seeing him wrestle. Star Quality: Hogan, Rock, Goldberg, Cena again... Undertaker? but would you rate his by gimmick though? Menace: Undertaker and Big Show Now someone should post a list of wrestlers who are the bottom of the list... IE: Aerial: Great Khali, Hogan Menace: Colin Delany
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Changes I'd suggest with choices on the ones you named two for: Brawling: HHH Hardcore: Sabu (yes, still - he's brutal) Aerial: In Japan, there are a few. In the US, AJ Styles. Flashiness: Jack Evans Chain Wrestling: Shawn Michaels Microphone: Many possibilities (I'll bite for Raven :D) Acting: William Regal Announcing: Joey Styles Toughness: Necro Butcher Basics: HBK Psychology: Raven or Shawn Michaels or Regal. It's not just how long thy've been around it's how much of a storry they tell in the ring; how much you actually buy that it's legit. Sex Appeal: Again, many possibilities Star Quality: Hogan Menace: Kane Quote The Raven Nevermore
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Brawling: 1. Samoa Joe 2. Triple H 3. Shawn Michaels 4. The Undertaker 5. Edge Puroresu: (not so clever with Japan) 1. Kenta Kobashi 2. Takeshi Morishima 3. Mitsuhara Misawa Hardcore: 1. Necro Butcher 2. Rhino 3. Sabu 4. Mick Foley 5. Raven Aerial: 1. Jack Evans 2. AJ Styles 3. Rey Mysterio 4. Paul London 5. Dragon Kid Flashiness: 1. Jack Evans 2. AJ Styles 3. Dragon Kid 4. Paul London 5. Rey Mysterio Mat Work: 1. Kurt Angle 2. Bryan Danielson 3. Nigel McGuinness 4. Chris Jericho 5. CM Punk Chain Wrestling: 1. Nigel McGuinness 2. Kurt Angle 3. Bryan Danielson 4. Shawn Michaels 5. Chris Jericho Submissions: 1. Bryan Danielson 2. Kurt Angle 3. Nigel McGuinness 4. Samoa Joe 5. Chris Jericho Microphone: 1. The Rock 2. Mick Foley 3. Ric Flair 4. Vince McMahon 5. John Cena Charisma: 1. Hulk Hogan 2. Steve Austin 3. The Rock 4. Ric Flair 5. John Cena Acting: 1. The Rock 2. William Regal 3. Mick Foley 4. Raven 5. Shawn Michaels Announcing: 1. Jim Ross 2. Mike Tenay 3. Joey Styles 4. Dave Prazak 5. Michael Cole Athleticism: 1. Jack Evans 2. AJ Styles 3. Dragon Kid 4. Paul London 5. Shelton Benjamin Toughness: 1. Big Show 2. Abyss 3. Brock Lesnar 4. Great Khali 5. Undertaker Stamina: 1. Bryan Danielson 2. Chris Hero 3. CM Punk 4. Christopher Daniels 5. Shawn Michaels Power: 1. Big Show 2. Great Khali 3. Mark Henry 4. Brock Lesnar 5. Batista Basics: 1. Kurt Angle 2. Ric Flair 3. Shawn Michaels 4. Triple H 5. Jeff Jarrett Psychology: 1. Shawn Michaels 2. Triple H 3. Ric Flair 4. William Regal 5. Raven Safety: 1. Shawn Michaels 2. Triple H 3. Kane 4. Edge 5. Christian Consistency: 1. Shawn Michaels 2. Samoa Joe 3. CM Punk 4. Edge 5. Rey Mysterio Selling: 1. Brother Runt 2. Nunzio 3. Tommy Dreamer 4. Finlay 5. Shawn Michaels Respect: 1. Hulk Hogan 2. Ric Flair 3. Vince McMahon 4. The Undertaker 5. Triple H Reputation: (lowest) 1. Scott Hall 2. Juventud Guerrera 3. New Jack 4. Joey Matthews 5. Randy Orton Sex Appeal: (female) 1. Trish Stratus 2. Maryse 3. Kelly Kelly 4. Torrie Wilson 5. Melina Star Quality: 1. Hulk Hogan 2. Steve Austin 3. John Cena 4. Goldberg 5. Brock Lesnar Menace: 1. Big Show 2. Great Khali 3. The Undertaker 4. Abyss 5. Brock Lesnar Intensity: 1. Goldberg 2. Steve Austin 3. Kurt Angle 4. Samoa Joe 5. Edge Stiffness: 1. Bradshaw 2. Kenta Kobashi 3. Ron Simmons 4. Hardcore Holly 5. New Jack Resilience: (least) 1. Amazing Red 2. Kevin Nash 3. Mark Henry 4. Edge 5. Test Refereeing: 1. Earl Hebner 2. Mike Chioda 3. Mickey Henson 4. Nick Patrick 5. Charles Robinson MMA Style: 1. Tito Ortiz 2. Ken Shamrock 3. Kurt Angle 4. Samoa Joe 5. CM Punk
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Brawling: The Undertaker / Jay & Mark Briscoe Puroresu: Kenta Kobashi Hardcore: Necro Butcher / Jay & Mark Briscoe Aerial: Dragon Kid Flashiness: Jack Evans / John Morrison Mat Work: Bryan Danielson Chain Wrestling: CIMA Submissions: Kurt Angle Microphone: HHH / Roddy Piper Charisma: John Cena Acting: Santino Marella / HHH Announcing: Jim Ross Athleticism: Matt Sydal / Jack Evans / Kofi Kingston Toughness: Kenta Kobashi Stamina: Bryan Danielson Power: Big Show Basics: Several people should be at 100. Psychology: Undertaker / HHH Safety: A few 100's here Consistency: Kevin Nash Selling: HBK / CM Punk Respect: Several 100's Reputation: About anyone Sex Appeal: Velvet Sky / Melina Star Quality: CM Punk / Randy Orton / Edge Menace: Great Khali Intensity: Kurt Angle
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[QUOTE=Superkevd;429480]I think a lot of people got toughness all wrong Mick Foley= toughness personified, although tough guys who are probably less credited: Aj Styles, Abyss, Randy Orton&Kurt Angle.[/QUOTE] [I]This is how genuinely tough a worker is. The tougher he is, the less he lets pain slow him down, and the better he would be in a real life fight.[/I] I think my five guys would be better in a fight than your five! plus none of my five are injured all the time, see Angle, see Orton. Abyss i agree with but i think you need to re-read the help file on toughness
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[QUOTE=Woodsmeister;429677][I]This is how genuinely tough a worker is. The tougher he is, the less he lets pain slow him down, and the better he would be in a real life fight.[/I] I think my five guys would be better in a fight than your five! [B]plus none of my five are injured all the time[/B], see Angle, see Orton. Abyss i agree with but i think you need to re-read the help file on toughness[/QUOTE] That's where resilenece would come in. So its quiet possbile for Kurt Angle to have a high toughness, after all he does seem pretty tough, wrestling with broken bones and all, and have a lower resilence (hence simulating his possible injury proneness).
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[QUOTE=Woodsmeister;429700]fair enough i never said he did not deserve high toughness but not higher than my 5 :)[/QUOTE] Its a subjective list, which is why this thread has happened. There's no need to argue over who's 5 are the toughest. Its a list of who people [I]think[/I] are the top 5 or whatever, in each stat, to help balance stats out for data editors.
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As im a fan of the olden days of wrestling this is my opion for classic mod makers Brawling: Bill Eadie Puroresu: Haku Hardcore: Abdull The Butcher Aerial: Shawn Michaels Flashiness: Shawn Michaels/Marty Jannetty/The Great Muta Mat Work: Bret Hart Chain Wrestling: Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Tito Santana Submissions: Ric Flair Microphone: Ric Flair, Rick Rude Charisma: Hulk Hogan Acting: Curt Henning Announcing: Gorrila Monsoon, Jim Ross Athleticism: Shawn Michaels Toughness: Arn Anderson Stamina: Bret Hart Power: Ultimate Warrior, Lex Luger, Hercules Basics: Arn Anderson, Bret Hart Psychology: Arn Anderson, Randy Savage Safety: Bret Hart Consistency: Shawn Michaels Selling: Ric Flair Respect: Hulk Hogan Reputation: Hulk Hogan Sex Appeal: Sting, Rick Rude Star Quality: Flair, Hogan Menace: Marty Jannetty Intensity: Randy Savage, Ric Flair Stiffness: Zeus, Ultimate Warrior Resilience: Ric Flair, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels Refereeing: Earl Hebner
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My only problem with most of these lists is people's view of Star Quality. If Ric Flair had never existed, and a 60+ year old man who had all of Flair's mannerisms, etc. was brought into the WWE, he would have no chance whatsoever of getting over. Therefore, while Flair and Hogan would certainly have A*'s in the 80's, nowadays Hogan might be a B- and Flair a solid C. If you look at a lot of the CornellVerse workers who have an "A" in Star Quality, they are either superstars in their prime or young indy workers tipped for greatness. I'd rather see a mod maker's speculation on who has gobs of Star Power than get Hogan, Austin, Flair, etc.
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Brawling: Finlay Hardcore: Mick Foley Mat Work: Kurt Angle Submissions: Kurt Angle Microphone: Mick Foley Charisma: Hulk Hogan Acting: The Rock Announcing: A lot of people on here have shown some very odd misspellings of the name "Joey Styles." Athleticism: Shelton Benjamin Toughness: William Regal Stamina: Bryan Danielson Power: Mark Henry Basics: William Regal Psychology: Raven Selling: Tommy Dreamer Respect: Ric Flair Reputation: Almost everyone Sex Appeal: Maria. Or Melina. Or Mickey James. What is it with WWE Divas and the letter "M," anyway? Star Quality: Chris Jericho Intensity: Angle Stiffness: Vader Resilience: Sabu
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