RKO_HBK Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Ok, me and a mate from school are having a disagreement. I say that Jeff's better and more of a decorated champion, has had much more success and is just better. He argued that X-Pac's more talented, has had lots of success too, beat Jeff in the PWI 500 PWI Years 2003 and is "just better". So, what do you all think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistaken Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 personally? i hate x-pac, never liked his promo's or his wrestling style. Jeff Hardy is dynamic, i love his matches, and his promo's are spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Jeff's a glorified spot monkey the fans got behind because he was a change of pace from the dull, lackluster WWE programming. Pac actually had real in ring talent beyond flipping and diving(Jeff's developing some, but he's not on Pac's level). Pac simply suffered from WWF/E fans being moronic and booing him because they didn't like him, simply because he's not what they were programmed to like. He wasn't some roided up baboon who plays the same role every other roided up baboon has played for the past decade and a half. Look at Pac in TNA, and Hardy in TNA. Who's better? Pac, by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKO_HBK Posted June 10, 2008 Author Share Posted June 10, 2008 [QUOTE=mistaken;437501]personally? i hate x-pac, never liked his promo's or his wrestling style. Jeff Hardy is dynamic, i love his matches, and his promo's are spot on.[/QUOTE] Yeah I definately think you're right about Hardy. I don't really hate X-Pac, but his promo when he joined DX left a lot to be desired. Just not as much of a fan as I am of Jeff, who admittedly has always been one of my favourites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ya_its_me Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Hardy by a mile, it's true he is a more decorated champion and can constantly entertain us fans. Plus how many world title shots has X-Pac gotten? Also, this question should settle it. Where's X-Pac now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterded Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Got to go with Pac. He was a great wrestler who did more for the small guy wrestler in America then almost anyone. He was also a multidimensional wrestler unlike Jeff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKO_HBK Posted June 10, 2008 Author Share Posted June 10, 2008 [QUOTE=masterded;437521]Got to go with Pac. He was a great wrestler who did more for the small guy wrestler in America then almost anyone. He was also a multidimensional wrestler unlike Jeff.[/QUOTE] Yeah I get your point, but Jeff has become slightly more varied. I actually like them both, but Jeff just sticks out more and has had more success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterded Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 [QUOTE=RKO_HBK;437523]Yeah I get your point, but Jeff has become slightly more varied. I actually like them both, but Jeff just sticks out more and has had more success.[/QUOTE] Arguably (should add now I don't dislike Jeff) Pac was in two of the most popular if not the two most popular stables (of the time) during what was one of if not the most popular times in wrestlings history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad5226 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Pac. Hardy is fun to watch because as someone said above he's "different". He's the guy in the crazy ass ladder matches who does a backflip from the top of it and nearly breaks his neck. It's a great change of pace, but lacks any real "skill" Pac has real in ring ability and I perosnally think his Promo's are a lot better than anything Hardy has ever done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGJOSH Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Hardy is a fun wrestler and has had some fun matches...with that being said I would have to go with Waltman. Waltman is a better wrestler than the career he's had. He was awesome as the 1-2-3 Kid and had great matches in WCW as Syxx. To find "great" Hardy matches they have to involve Tables, Ladders or Chairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKO_HBK Posted June 10, 2008 Author Share Posted June 10, 2008 [QUOTE=masterded;437528]Arguably (should add now I don't dislike Jeff) Pac was in two of the most popular if not the two most popular stables (of the time) during what was one of if not the most popular times in wrestlings history.[/QUOTE] True, but in terms of titles etc, I still think Jeff tops it. Although being the only guy to have been in both WCW's nWo and DX is a good achievement. [QUOTE=mad5226;437529]Pac. Hardy is fun to watch because as someone said above he's "different". He's the guy in the crazy ass ladder matches who does a backflip from the top of it and nearly breaks his neck. It's a great change of pace, but lacks any real "skill" Pac has real in ring ability and I perosnally think his Promo's are a lot better than anything Hardy has ever done.[/QUOTE] Pac does seem more talented, but I just think Hardy will be remembered a lot more than Pac for how exciting he was. I wouldn't say he lacks skill either. I've not seen much promo-work from Pac so I can't entirely comment, but I would say that Jeff has improved a lot recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedpropaganda Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Ohmygawd... What a question? LEAST FAV WRESTLERS ALL TIME IN ORDER: Lex Luger, Sean Waltman, Jeff Hardy. So the 123XPacKid loses and the dancing clown wins by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKO_HBK Posted June 10, 2008 Author Share Posted June 10, 2008 [QUOTE=BIGJOSH;437534]Hardy is a fun wrestler and has had some fun matches...with that being said I would have to go with Waltman. Waltman is a better wrestler than the career he's had. He was awesome as the 1-2-3 Kid and had great matches in WCW as Syxx. To find "great" Hardy matches they have to involve Tables, Ladders or Chairs.[/QUOTE] He match with Orton at the RR was awesome for the atmosphere, and his series with Umaga (including their regular one-on-one match at the GAB last year) was great in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Wolf Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 I don't dislike Waltman but I just like Hardy better. Sure Waltman is definitely better in the ring but Hardy just connects better with the fans whether it was in WWE or TNA. I hate roided up muscle bound freaks but I still never like Pac in WWE, WCW or TNA, I have been getting into him in AAA though a little bit more now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistaken Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 [QUOTE=maskedpropaganda;437539]Ohmygawd... What a question? LEAST FAV WRESTLERS ALL TIME IN ORDER: Lex Luger, Sean Waltman, Jeff Hardy. So the 123XPacKid loses and the dancing clown wins by default.[/QUOTE] what a way to go, after he posted this question i was thinking about polarizing wrestlers, and Lex Luger was at the top of my list of guys you either love or hate. and there he sits at the bottom of your list. what a coincidence. on that i think it would almost be fun run an elimination tournament. start with 64 and weed them out in both direction, so the bracket goes favorite in one direction, and least favorite in the other. i think it would be fun to see the polarizing guys like sean and matt face off because they would end up hung some where in the middle of the tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 [QUOTE=RKO_HBK;437536]True, but in terms of titles etc, I still think Jeff tops it. Although being the only guy to have been in both WCW's nWo and DX is a good achievement. Pac does seem more talented, but I just think Hardy will be remembered a lot more than Pac for how exciting he was. I wouldn't say he lacks skill either. I've not seen much promo-work from Pac so I can't entirely comment, but I would say that Jeff has improved a lot recently.[/QUOTE] I feel the need to point out the fact that that's incorrect. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but Rick Rude was in both DX AND the nWo as well, was he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKO_HBK Posted June 10, 2008 Author Share Posted June 10, 2008 [QUOTE=Arrows;437553]I feel the need to point out the fact that that's incorrect. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but Rick Rude was in both DX AND the nWo as well, was he not?[/QUOTE] Ah, I stand corrected. I was going off what was said on the WWE Raw Anniversary DVD, I'll try and find out though. EDIT: Ok, they must've said that Waltman is the only man to have been in DX and both the WWE AND WCW versions of the nWo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 "Most decorated champion" is very easy to decide. Just look up their title wins. It's hardly a subjective thing... Unless they're sort of similar, and you can't decide which means more, the Hardcore or European championships... Personally prefer Jeff. I've latched onto the Hardyz since I first saw them take a kicking from Kaientai... so they're my boys. X-Pac on the other hand was in DX, sworn enemies of the Hart Foundation, so naturally I kayfabe hated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistaken Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Tracking the horse race! 12:47 after being all tied up at 6-6, hardy gets a surprising push and goes up 9-6 13:10 now just 25 minutes latter, the race gets even more interesting. hardy has begun to pull away 12-7, what does pac have left in his tanks? 15:20 and though the pace of the horse race has slowed down, Hardy has continued to out pace the PACman 15- 9, what will the next 2 hours hold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaynes23 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 X-Pac had sex with that jolly green giant Chyna.....Jeff Hardy wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistaken Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 [QUOTE=SHaynes23;437609]X-Pac had sex with that jolly green giant Chyna.....Jeff Hardy wins.[/QUOTE] off topic that is a match i would love to see Awesome Kong destory Chyna! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Gadzinski Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 I like both very much .. but I say Pac is the better worker(even though he's had more drug problems, and married Chyna). Jeff has had drug problems too, but the thing that made me pick Pac over Hardy is that Pac doesn't botch nearly half as much as Jeff does. Don't get me wrong Jeff is a fantastic worker, and I know it's not his fault but him and Matt were wayyyy better as a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistaken Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 tracking the horse race [QUOTE=mistaken;437568]Tracking the horse race! 12:47 after being all tied up at 6-6, hardy gets a surprising push and goes up 9-6 13:10 now just 25 minutes latter, the race gets even more interesting. hardy has begun to pull away 12-7, what does pac have left in his tanks? 15:20 and though the pace of the horse race has slowed down, Hardy has continued to out pace the PACman 15- 9, what will the next 2 hours hold?[/QUOTE] 16:10 and the horse race has turned into an all out route, as the early favorite (based on post in volume in his favor) looks to be fading on the back strech Jeff Hardy has pick up the pace and a huge lead, rounding the first curve with a 10 length lead, 19-9 16:45 Making a late break for it is sean "syxx-pac" waltman, gaing 3 votes in just 30 minutes, but Jeff continues to lead. 20-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Gadzinski Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Maybe if Pac was still wrestling in the U.S. people would like him more. Damn me for knowing more Indies :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisen-verse Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 While X-pac (syxx, Sean Waltman) wasn't always my fav. person in the world... I still enjoyed his persona and thought he had a great deal of talent in the ring. He could have been even more if the fans at the time would have taken more a likening to him, however, some of that has to be his "brash" style... In a day an age where "everyone had that brash style" (see: "Attitude Era"). I liked Jeff Hardy back when the Hardy Boyz first debuted and thought he could have a lot of potential back when he had that ladder match with the Undertaker... however, now a days he just seems to be hitting the glass ceiling when it comes to what I want to see him do. He truly is an over glorified spot monkey if there ever was one... but with that being said he does take massive risks and normally comes out on top of them. All in all: In-Ring Talent goes to Waltman Promo Talent goes to Waltman Like-ability goes to Hardy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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