sabataged Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 I know their are plenty of others out there that have simmed like me. I am curious if everyone has found sort of the same thing. I have simmed 3 years 3 separate times with the default database. Each time everyone goes global and no one drops. Not everyone but SWF, TCW, WLW, and PGHW are always global. And then NOTBPW, and the other japanese big feds are National or International. With this "perfect AI booking" I dont think its really as interesting as it once was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 [QUOTE=sabataged;441975]With this "perfect AI booking" I dont think its really as interesting as it once was.[/QUOTE] I'm really getting sick to death of people taking that quote out of all context. The AI does not book perfect shows. It doesn't even book perfect matches. The statement being completely misinterpreted is that the AI doesn't (or rather didn't) make road agent note mistakes like a player would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabataged Posted June 14, 2008 Author Share Posted June 14, 2008 Sorry if i mistook that "perfect booking", its just the lingo around the boards. My thoughts on it were just that in 07 feds went up and down, like the only fed that seemed destined to go global everytime no matter industry/economy in my simming experience was NOTBPW. Now it seems like most feds just do a fantastic booking job to where they all just keep on rising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 It can be explained through logic: - Most competent players can improve a promotion and make it thrive. - The AI is set at a level to mimic a competent player. - The AI should therefore be able to improve promotions and make them thrive most of the time. People wanted more of a challenge and to feel like they were taking on other players when fighting the AI, the natural effect of that is more successful AI promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabataged Posted June 14, 2008 Author Share Posted June 14, 2008 [QUOTE=Adam Ryland;442031] People wanted more of a challenge and to feel like they were taking on other players when fighting the AI, the natural effect of that is more successful AI promotions.[/QUOTE] Its definitely more challenging. Now that I am starting to figure out the new booking I am really loving the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Pluss, I think it's pretty much balanced out with the "Battle" stuff going on. That to me is one of the more interesting things to watch as I sim through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Wayne Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 [QUOTE=Adam Ryland;442031]It can be explained through logic: - Most competent players can improve a promotion and make it thrive. - The AI is set at a level to mimic a competent player. - The AI should therefore be able to improve promotions and make them thrive most of the time. People wanted more of a challenge and to feel like they were taking on other players when fighting the AI, the natural effect of that is more successful AI promotions.[/QUOTE] maybe in 09 you should introduce "global battle" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 [QUOTE=Michael Wayne;442072]maybe in 09 you should introduce "global battle"[/QUOTE] By definition that would be international and global promotions battling it out in a series of national battles - which is how it works now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubb93 Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 [QUOTE=sabataged;441975]I know their are plenty of others out there that have simmed like me. I am curious if everyone has found sort of the same thing. I have simmed 3 years 3 separate times with the default database. Each time everyone goes global and no one drops. Not everyone but SWF, TCW, WLW, and PGHW are always global. And then NOTBPW, and the other japanese big feds are National or International. With this "perfect AI booking" I dont think its really as interesting as it once was.[/QUOTE] In my "quick sim 6 months at a time when I feel like it" game SWF is Cult, TCW is Global and WLW, PGHW and BHOTWG are all National. SWF is getting hit VERY hard by a US wrestling industry that is F+ and falling. They are starting to lose some top guys and are getting anywhere from C to B- shows in 2009. The fall to Cult is recent, but since the fall they have lost Remo, who is currently unemployed and Peter Michaels, who signed with TCW. SWF's prestige is currently listed as "D", while their top competetion TCW is at B. From the looks of things, it isn't going to get any better anytime soon for SWF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubb93 Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 [QUOTE=dubb93;442208]In my "quick sim 6 months at a time when I feel like it" game SWF is Cult, TCW is Global and WLW, PGHW and BHOTWG are all National. SWF is getting hit VERY hard by a US wrestling industry that is F+ and falling. They are starting to lose some top guys and are getting anywhere from C to B- shows in 2009. The fall to Cult is recent, but since the fall they have lost Remo, who is currently unemployed and Peter Michaels, who signed with TCW. SWF's prestige is currently listed as "D", while their top competetion TCW is at B. From the looks of things, it isn't going to get any better anytime soon for SWF.[/QUOTE] Well now 6 months later SWF is back to global. Remo signed for TCW where he is a main eventer. Joey Minnesota is the TCW World Heavyweight Champion. Other noteable loses for SWF during their time at cult include Valiant, Runaway Train, and Andre Jones. Now it seems back to status quo for SWF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Wayne Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 [QUOTE=Adam Ryland;442108]By definition that would be international and global promotions battling it out in a series of national battles - which is how it works now.[/QUOTE] yes, but you don't have battles once you reach international/global status right? Just at regional and national? So once you get past national, there's really nothing to worry about. And eventually, most everyone will reach international or higher (provided they can keep their competition down with superior shows), it just becomes an international/global fest with no way of keeping any real balance to the game world. When you have 5 or 6 promotions at global, then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comradebot Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 [QUOTE=Michael Wayne;442508]yes, but you don't have battles once you reach international/global status right? Just at regional and national? So once you get past national, there's really nothing to worry about. And eventually, most everyone will reach international or higher (provided they can keep their competition down with superior shows), it just becomes an international/global fest with no way of keeping any real balance to the game world. When you have 5 or 6 promotions at global, then what?[/QUOTE] I could swear that International and Global feds still take part in National battles. On a side note about the "perfect AI", after several runs through a few months I've noticed that EWA has scored nothing but Ds under the leadership of the AI. My first show with EWA? D+ Suck it comp, all my practice with USPW has taught me how to run a Sports Entertainment fed with a group of no-talents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Wayne Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 [QUOTE=Comradebot;442516]I could swear that International and Global feds still take part in National battles.[/QUOTE] do they? hmm. I haven't gotten that far. I'm still playing the demo. :p I didn't recall Adam saying anything in the diary about international and global feds still having national battle. From the post regarding multiple promotions being global and no one falling, it doesn't seem like that's the case. I highly doubt they all have friendly promotion pacts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokenCycle Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 "National battles occur in each game area on the final day of each month. Promotions are automatically sucked into a national battle if they are based in the area and are of National, International or Global size. Promotions who are based in different areas can also become involved, but only if they are both at National (or above) size already and are also popular enough in the area that they would be National (or above) if they were based there. Promotions who have only just jumped to National have a one month ‘warming up’ period during which they are ineligible to be involved. Touring promotions are only eligible for months when they are on tour. National Battles only occur if three or more promotions are eligible in total for that month." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRev1313 Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 They definitely do affect global promotions. SWF, TCW, PGHW and NOTBW are all global in my game and taking part in national battles in the US and Canada. SWF came in last so much that they've been knocked down to cult and are basically at C popularity in the US now. They removed Peter Michaels as head booker and put in Phil Vibert who honestly has done a horrible job with the promotion since taking over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Lyrium Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Yeah, National Battles still affect International and Global promotions in same way that Small promotions are dragged into Regional ones. The only size levels not involved in battles are Local and Cult. Since being Global requires you to be nearly National in a foreign land (well, not 'requires' since you can technically get to C- in one region of each foreign area, but that would be the dumbass, not to mention slow, way of doing it ¬_¬), you quite often see feds getting involved in National Battles in other places. There's usually one in Canada first (SWF vs. TCW vs. NOTBPW) and one in Mexico (SWF vs. TCW vs. SOTBPW) fairly early on too, and then one in Japan when WLW hit National. You don't normally get an American one until NOTBPW go out for revenge and try taking over America. The "everyone goes Global and never falls" is usually an overexaggerated whine-post. TCW usually do, because nobody in America can touch them, NOTBPW sometimes do if they manage to beat-out SWF. BHOTWG and PGHW also sometimes go Global because they have nobody to fight until they break into the American market. So there's four promotions. WLW will often "do a West Brom" and keep going from Global to Cult until their prestige takes such a hit that they lose all their stars and die for a bit :p I think they've beaten BHOTWG once though, so that's a bit unfair on them ¬_¬ Basically, it works fine. People just have to remember that unlike the real world, there aren't two massive promotions controlling the Global market, there are five or six who could do it. It's not WWE vs. NJPW in a staring contest for world domination, it's TCW vs. SWF vs. BHOTWG vs. PGHW vs. NOTBPW in a steel cage match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriswok Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 [QUOTE=D-Lyrium;442795]The "everyone goes Global and never falls" is usually an overexaggerated whine-post. TCW usually do, because nobody in America can touch them, NOTBPW sometimes do if they manage to beat-out SWF. BHOTWG and PGHW also sometimes go Global because they have nobody to fight until they break into the American market.[/QUOTE] This certainly isn't true in the Real World data I'm trying to make, simming 6 months into the future, WWE (Global) fall to Cult, as do TNA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Wayne Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 [QUOTE=Chriswok;442800]This certainly isn't true in the Real World data I'm trying to make, simming 6 months into the future, WWE (Global) fall to Cult, as do TNA.[/QUOTE] because WWE's workers don't have the star power to keep them at global. Which is why you have to adjust the overness of your workers. This has been covered already. I adjusted for this with the T-Zone data I had, played several months in (07) and I haven't fallen. And why would TNA fall? They SHOULD be cult. Do you have them set to national? They're not. They don't have a national fanbase. They have a cult fanbase. They aren't popular enough to be national. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabataged Posted June 15, 2008 Author Share Posted June 15, 2008 [QUOTE=Michael Wayne;442932]because WWE's workers don't have the star power to keep them at global. Which is why you have to adjust the overness of your workers. This has been covered already. I adjusted for this with the T-Zone data I had, played several months in (07) and I haven't fallen. And why would TNA fall? They SHOULD be cult. Do you have them set to national? They're not. They don't have a national fanbase. They have a cult fanbase. They aren't popular enough to be national.[/QUOTE] They have a National TV show, and run PPVs, and they have been traveling lately. Why is that not National? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 [QUOTE=sabataged;442975]They have a National TV show, and run PPVs, and they have been traveling lately. Why is that not National?[/QUOTE] It's important to remember that National in this instance is not a vague concept, we're talking about a defined term within TEW. It's irrelevant whether people consider TNA to be a "nationally-sized promotion" in reality because of their TV deal \ PPV \ international travel, all that matters is whether they would count as National in TEW terms - and they almost certainly wouldn't. They do not have big popularity all around the US as would be required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 [QUOTE=sabataged;442975]They have a National TV show, and run PPVs, and they have been traveling lately. Why is that not National?[/QUOTE] By that criteria, (real) ECW would've been National. G.L.O.W. would've been too (though I don't remember if they ran PPVs/CCTV stuff). In TEW terms, TNA is Cult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FINisher Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 TNA is Cornellverses DAVE so to speak, when it still was in the business. :) But yeah, can't wait to see what happens when I get my GCG to National. Or if WLW does it before me *gasps* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky Sinister Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 TNA's tough to sim realistically. They've got to be big enough to hold onto a two-hour prime time TV show on a fairly popular national network, but small enough that they don't become a serious threat to WWE too quickly. That's not easy to balance. It's no wonder so many people just make them National and have done with it. I usually set them up as Cult, but on the cusp of stepping up to National level. I think that's a pretty accurate portrayal of them right now, and (more importantly to me) it makes the game more fun to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Wayne Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 [QUOTE=sabataged;442975]They have a National TV show, and run PPVs, and they have been traveling lately. Why is that not National?[/QUOTE] it's irrelevant. They appeal to a niche audience. They draw the same ratings WWE's C show does. And the vast majority of wrestling fans have no clue who or what TNA is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauls07 Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 ive simed 5 years of game time, SWF are at cult, TCW are the number 1 promotion in the world and NOTBPW are GONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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