Is it wierd to not like wrestling anymore and play this game

[like2throw]

I don't watch any form of wrestling nowadays,(havent for the past 6 years) but I still find this game appealing and interesting...maybe because of my fondness over sports simulations but I gotta ask. What is the psychology rating based on...looks REALLY important, but I'm not sure what its supposed to mean

[D16NJD16]

Yes it is weird and not advised. Just kidding.

[rufas2000]

Nope I'm the same way. Haven't watched wrestling on a regular basis for two years. And before that watching wrestling was just what a friend and I did on Mondays as an excuse to hang out. Still keep up a little on 411Mania. Psychology is the ability to create drama in the ring during a match. It involves proper pacing and storytelling. An example would be working the leg before trying to apply the figure four leglock, it makes sense and involves strategy that a wrestler would be wise to follow if the sport were real. Another would be the guy getting his leg pounded on remembering that during the match and showing the effects by favoring it and moving slower when he is on offense. Two workers with great psychology will be able to create a match on the fly ("call in ring" match note) and it will make sense and draw the crowd into the drama as opposed to being a clusterfunk where moves do not follow a logical progression and appear to be random. The second example might also be considered selling but I think selling is the ability to make the move done to you look like it hurt right then, psychology is remembering to sell that injury later to increase drama.

[LFC_chris]

Not strange at all - I haven't watched wrestling (apart from catching the odd glimpse whilst channel hopping) since I was a kid. I doubt I would recognise more than a handful of wrestlers on the WWE roster and side from WWE and TNA I couldn't tell you any of the other promotions. I only play the CornellVerse so I don't think you need to be a wrestling fan to enjoy that. I've no desire to play a real world mod, at least not a modern day one in any case. I think it'd have to go back about 10 years to have any real relevence to me.

[Dross]

I actually think wrestling is quite boring, I only watch MMA nowadays. Still, the game is awesome!

[Michael Wayne]

[QUOTE=rufas2000;446084]Another would be the guy getting his leg pounded on remembering that during the match and showing the effects by favoring it and moving slower when he is on offense. [/QUOTE] that's selling. Psychology is the ability to tell "stories" in the ring. The ultimate showdown between the underdog babyface and the cheating heel. Laying out the details of the match and being able to draw the crowd in. The also covers the ability to get "heat" during matches. On the flip side, two technical workers telling a story of one upsmanship based on skills. Two guys who continually counter each other's moves and putting on a "wrestling clinic".

[CaliCurbStomppa]

Not me, if nobody made a mod for real wrestlers then i would never be into this but unfortunately someone was awesome to make a real world mod. I just hate playing a game with fake people, just not my type. Same thing with efeds, some people like created feds but me.. I like real efeds so u probably know my point

[Self]

[QUOTE=xpostxscript;446191]Not me, if nobody made a mod for real wrestlers then i would never be into this but unfortunately someone was awesome to make a real world mod. I just hate playing a game with fake people, just not my type. Same thing with efeds, some people like created feds but me.. I like real efeds so u probably know my point[/QUOTE] I'm totally the opposite. After a few game-weeks of playing a real world mod, I become far too aware of the fact that "This isn't how the real world is. Shannon Moore doesn't have B popularity in New England..." and I quit. I have a similar distaste for 'Real' efeds.

[Outlaw]

For the past several years, I've been struggling with the conflict between my love of professional wrestling and my disdain for the professional wrestling shows that are on TV now. I have an idea of what professional wrestling should be, of what it was when I used to put off everything else in my life just to make sure I was watching each and every show. And a game like TEW provides me with an opportunity to "make things right" and put on a professional wrestling show the way I feel like it should be. So regardless of the fact that I haven't regularly tuned in to a wrestling show in a few years, my love of wrestling (in its ideal form) keeps me coming back to TEW. It's a celebration of whatever you think wrestling should be.

[rufas2000]

[QUOTE][QUOTE]Another would be the guy getting his leg pounded on remembering that during the match and showing the effects by favoring it and moving slower when he is on offense. [/QUOTE] that's selling. Psychology is the ability to tell "stories" in the ring. The ultimate showdown between the underdog babyface and the cheating heel. Laying out the details of the match and being able to draw the crowd in. The also covers the ability to get "heat" during matches. On the flip side, two technical workers telling a story of one upsmanship based on skills. Two guys who continually counter each other's moves and putting on a "wrestling clinic".[/QUOTE] Good examples of psychology. I was trying to think of what wrestlers with great psychology would do to tell a great story. As far as selling the effects of an injury lets call it both. Its the story of overcoming an injury to win. Or almost being able to win but the injury is just too much to overcome. Its definitely bad psychology to "forget" that you were injured earlier in the match (unless you're The Undertaker, i.e. its your character to ignore pain) as it eliminates a great story telling device and taxes the already massive suspension of disbelief. Real world example of what great psychology looks like: This year's U.S. Open, especially the playoff. Tiger Woods plays 91 holes over the course of 5 days. The best golfer today being challenged by an nearly unknown golfer named Rocco Mediate. Tiger struggles (and "sells") the knee injury, grimacing in pain after many shots. His injury added to the drama. Tiger takes a fairly big lead but Rocco will not give up and comes back with a surge. By the 18th and last hole Tiger is one back. Rocco has a chance to clinch by making a tough putt but just misses. Tiger makes up the stroke and were tied after 18 more holes (having played 72 in the first four days). They go to a sudden death playoff. Tiger plays the hole well. Rocco hits two bad shots but recovers enough to have a chance to maintain the tie but just misses. Tiger wins the U.S. Open. If you can bottle that and put it in wrestling form you have a match of the year. I don't even like golf (but know a little about it) and I found it incredible. My mind addled, just woke up post does not do it justice.

[rufas2000]

[QUOTE=Outlaw;446219]For the past several years, I've been struggling with the conflict between my love of professional wrestling and my disdain for the professional wrestling shows that are on TV now. I have an idea of what professional wrestling should be, of what it was when I used to put off everything else in my life just to make sure I was watching each and every show. And a game like TEW provides me with an opportunity to "make things right" and put on a professional wrestling show the way I feel like it should be. So regardless of the fact that I haven't regularly tuned in to a wrestling show in a few years, my love of wrestling (in its ideal form) keeps me coming back to TEW. It's a celebration of whatever you think wrestling should be.[/QUOTE] Exactly what I was thinking. Perfectly stated. In my case I wonder how much of it is the current product and how much of it is just me. There seems to be only so many stories you can tell in wrestling, after awhile I guess I got burned out. I could identify some creative problems I have with the WWE but if people enjoy it more power to them. It just isn't for me. TNA seems a little more my style but not enough for me to watch it.

[justtxyank]

I can't watch modern wrestling at all really. I get into TNA a little bit, but it's so silly I can't watch it long-term. The E is just awful. AWFUL. They don't even wrestle anymore. Heck, they don't even try to trick you into thinking they are wrestling anymore. It's all just generic blah movesets with no in ring psychology. You watch one Triple H match and you've seen them all. That goes for basically every worker in the E now. They run the same scripted moves every single night.

[dvdWarrior]

I agree with a lot of you guys. I miss the wrestling I grew up with, and with The CornellVerse, I can kind of envision just that sort of world. I have trouble connecting with wrestling nowadays, but I can still get into the old shows on WWE 24/7, (especially the old Monday Nitros). Wrestling just seemed more fun back then; maybe I just aged my way out of the demographic they're looking for now, I don't know. Maybe I just long for a different era; I do use the 16 team, 154-game schedule from baseball's "Golden Age" in my OOTP games, and I never even got to experience that, so I might just be dissatisfied with the times I'm living in. TEW brings back the magic though, can't wait to get my computer situation straightened out so I can get back into it again. :)

[Self]

[QUOTE=justtxyank;446271]The E is just awful. AWFUL. They don't even wrestle anymore. Heck, they don't even try to trick you into thinking they are wrestling anymore. It's all just generic blah movesets with no in ring psychology. You watch one Triple H match and you've seen them all. That goes for basically every worker in the E now. They run the same scripted moves every single night.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say WWE have no psychology. They use a more realistic style than TNA, with their wacky spotfests (that I love). You are right on the money in that the matches are very similar though. I went to a RAW house show a while back, and was bored by match three. All happy-babyface vs cowardly heel. Not even a chickfight to break up the tedium. Yawn.

[scorpion]

The last episode of Raw I watched was the Benoit tribute show. I still mark for the old stuff though. I got the WM DVD for Christmas and exchanged it for the World Class DVD

[Sensai of Mattitude]

I'm exactly the same. Since I got back into football(/soccer) like a year back I've slowly completely phased watching wrestling out of my life - to be honest, I think I wasn't actually enjoying wrestling for a long time, it had just been such a big part in my life since I was a kid. I haven't watched any wrestling for months, but I still find TEW and the CornellVerse extremelly addictive and just generally awesome.

[BYU 14]

I am with a lot of you. I haven't watched Wrestling since (the real) ECW closed, except for clips of the territory days on youtube. I never liked the WWF/WWE and the only thing I can even remember watching on Raw for god knows how long was Flairs retirement.

[syndicate]

[QUOTE=like2throw;446076]I don't watch any form of wrestling nowadays,(havent for the past 6 years) but I still find this game appealing and interesting...maybe because of my fondness over sports simulations but I gotta ask. What is the psychology rating based on...looks REALLY important, but I'm not sure what its supposed to mean[/QUOTE] i don't dislike pro wrestling, but i am not a fan of the current wwe product or any of the other small north american orgs and have not watched it in sometime... i am more of a fan of japanese pro wrestling, but i do not have much access to it except the internet and i do not really use it much for pro wrestling i play tew because it's a fun game and if i am not mistaken i am sure adam has said in the past that he also does not watch wwe anymore or anything of the sort, but that was along time ago maybe he does now [QUOTE=Self;446205]I'm totally the opposite. After a few game-weeks of playing a real world mod, I become far too aware of the fact that "This isn't how the real world is. Shannon Moore doesn't have B popularity in New England..." and I quit. I have a similar distaste for 'Real' efeds.[/QUOTE] i am the same way i also refuse to download the "real" world mods for wmma because of the same reason you pointed out... all the stat makers for "real" world mods just make stats according to their own personal opinion [QUOTE=scorpion;446285]The last episode of Raw I watched was the Benoit tribute show. I still mark for the old stuff though. I got the WM DVD for Christmas and exchanged it for the World Class DVD[/QUOTE] yeah old school is wonderful and sure a lot of the wrestlers were not as talented in the ring as a lot of the newer guys are today but the story plots were more "pro wrestling" as opposed to the current wwe product

[hakk99]

I didn't watch wrestling from 1990 to 2006. Then I was looking for an interesting sports sim to play over the summer. I checked out the other sims at Grey Dog and then saw a wrestling sim and I wondered how anyone could simulate a fake sport. I downloaded the demo to TEW 05 and was immediately attracted to all the stats and the colorful characters. I did some research online to learn what some of the terms mean, having always been a kayfabe fan, and discovered what had happened to all my favorite wrestlers (Ric Flair is still wrestling! How is that possible?) Now I watch quite a bit of wrestling again. I certainly don't enjoy it the way I used to, but I watch it simply to analyze the booking decisions of real world bookers so that I can make my TEW game realistic. It's very strange.

[Comradebot]

[QUOTE=Dross;446135]I actually think wrestling is quite boring, I only watch MMA nowadays. Still, the game is awesome![/QUOTE] I have to confess, MMA typically bores me. Yeah, I know, its a real sport unlike wrestling. But then again, A Shot of Love with Tila Tequila is more "real" than, say, The Office. If I really want to watch a real fight I'll go stake out my old highschool and wait for two people to go at it. It comes with the bonus of a possible knife or gun fight, and often times the men fighting aren't rolling around with eachother in their underwear. But on the subject of the topic, I haven't watched wrestling religiously in a few years now. I still catch the occaisonal show to gauge the state of things in WWE and TNA (fire Robert Ruud, please, please fire him). But that doesn't change the fact that overall I like wrestling, and I LOVE the game.

[gino_montero]

I watch MMA any chance I get, but I didn't like WMMA. I haven't watched wrestling now in a few years, but bought TEW 2007 and 2008. So go figure.

[Bigpapa42]

I barely watch wrestling anymore either. Maybe one PPV per year, and checking some indie/Japan stuff. Thats about it. I moreso love the idea and history of the sport. I'm much the same way with baseball.

[D-Lyrium]

I'm not a wrestling fan any more either. I know more about the Cornellverse than I do about real life wrestling post-2004. However, I am a CHIKARA fan. CHIKARA isn't wrestling, to me, it's in a class of it's own. It's brilliant :p So yeah, if you're 'bored' of pro wrestling, check out CHIKARA. There's nothing I love more than when a film comes a long and lovingly takes the piss out of itself and it's own genre (Shoot 'Em Up), or at least has the ability to look at itself in the mirror and laugh, thinking "I used to watch this?". That's sort of like what CHIKARA does. It takes wrestling, and makes it enjoyable and fun. Rather than deadly serious technical battle, or soap opera-esque. Maybe I'm just getting too old for this... :p I also like a bit of NJPW from time to time, and I usually watch NOAH when I can. But I'll always be a CHIKARA fan from now on. But I won't mark for Ultimo Breakfast. Fanboy I might be, but even I can admit that was an awful idea.

[aznironman]

I have been a wrestling fan since the early 90s, being in my mid-20s, I like many of you have a hard time watching the current WWE product, or even the TNA product. Like many of you, I miss the days of watching Raw and Nitro on Monday nights, flip back and forth to see which show would out do the other. I can honestly say I haven't watched wrestling consistantly since 2002. Shawn Michaels's return to wrestling was the last interest that kept me glued to Monday nights. After that, I got interested in EWR for my "wrestling fix". I would still catch Raw/Smackdown and the occassional TNA weekly PPV with some of my friends in the college dorms, but nothing was "must see" like the late 90s. EWR was awesome, especially at a time when wrestling sims had seemed to die out (Rampage Wrestling and TNM7) and it kind of gave me another way to enjoy wrestling again without having to be forced to accept the WWE dominate product of 2003 to now. From EWR came TEW2004, a whole new evolution. From TEW2004 came TEW2005, then TEW2007, and now TEW2008. I still catch the occassional Raw (the Flair/HBK feud was the last thing that has been interesting to me). I do watch WrestleMania every year, either at a Sports Bar or with a group of friends. (HBK v. Flair and Edge v. Taker were the best matches of this year's, by the way.) The Flair send off was the last full Raw I watched. I don't watch ECW. I don't watch Smackdown!, mainly because of its time slot, on Friday night. I may catch a piece of Impact, but its so crash TV, to me, that I can't really enjoy it. So thus, I'm stuck with reading reports and articles from pwinsiderelite.com and playing TEW2008. And like 'D', I know more about the Cornellverse than I do about what has been going on in WWE/TNA for the last 4 years. :) So no, I wouldn't say it is weird to not like wrestling anymore and play TEW2008. If anything, it makes you appreciate what you like/liked about wrestling and enhance that appreciation in your own vision(s).

[ThriceP86]

[QUOTE=rufas2000;446257]Good examples of psychology. I was trying to think of what wrestlers with great psychology would do to tell a great story. As far as selling the effects of an injury lets call it both. Its the story of overcoming an injury to win. Or almost being able to win but the injury is just too much to overcome. Its definitely bad psychology to "forget" that you were injured earlier in the match (unless you're The Undertaker, i.e. its your character to ignore pain) as it eliminates a great story telling device and taxes the already massive suspension of disbelief. Real world example of what great psychology looks like: This year's U.S. Open, especially the playoff. Tiger Woods plays 91 holes over the course of 5 days. The best golfer today being challenged by an nearly unknown golfer named Rocco Mediate. Tiger struggles (and "sells") the knee injury, grimacing in pain after many shots. His injury added to the drama. Tiger takes a fairly big lead but Rocco will not give up and comes back with a surge. By the 18th and last hole Tiger is one back. Rocco has a chance to clinch by making a tough putt but just misses. Tiger makes up the stroke and were tied after 18 more holes (having played 72 in the first four days). They go to a sudden death playoff. Tiger plays the hole well. Rocco hits two bad shots but recovers enough to have a chance to maintain the tie but just misses. Tiger wins the U.S. Open. If you can bottle that and put it in wrestling form you have a match of the year. I don't even like golf (but know a little about it) and I found it incredible. My mind addled, just woke up post does not do it justice.[/QUOTE] Rufas and Michael Wayne, you guys have some great points about what psychology is and what it does. I agree with everything that you said about how it draws the fans into the matches, the use of working a body part and selling that body part, but there are a couple other key ingredients with psychology. I don't know why but every time I think about psychology I always think or look back at older matches and ask myself why those matches were so brilliant especially with Jake the Snake's matches. I don't know why but I can't pinpoint something real specific about what Jake did but every movement he did made sense! Everything had a purpose and everything drew the fans into the matches he had and made them say to themselves, "what's going to happen next?" Also, I think when some guys have heated rivalries I tend to hate it when they keep using tie-ups and real wrestling holds... I don't know why but I like it when I see guys get into a huge brawl and being a little sloppy like they are in a real fight! A lot of guys in the WWE have been doing that lately between JBL & Cena, almost any feud HBK is in, and even Rock/Austin had just bloodbath brawls that the crowd ate up! Another thing is that let's say something happens in an earlier match between rivals and then they end up having their rubber match on a ppv. A lot of the big name guys tend to do those SAME spots but it tends to be with a sense of purpose. For example, let's say wrestler A put wrestler B's ankle in a chair and smashed it in with another chair. Well, what if in their rivalry, in their rubber match, wrestler A ends up putting wrestler B's foot AGAIN in the chair but he misses the shot! I don't know why but I just think it's a brilliant way to tease the spot again and do draw the fans into getting behind wrestler A. I don't know if I make any sense with this but those are just some things I usually tend to pick up on that I think is brilliant psychology.