Falling to cult, not sure why? Can some please explain :)

[lavelleuk]

Hi, in my game with SWF I was doing really well, popularity and importance had risen, lowest tv rating was C, I had 2 B+ in a row, then had a PPV where I got B+. Because of this I got a message saying I had risen to global, the same time(day after PPV) I do my tv taping, gets a b- rating(everthing seemed to go wrong, but still not that bad surely?) I then get a message saying I've been fired for not doing the owned goal, and that we;'ve fallen to cult satus? So I went from international to global to cult in 2 days? Can someone please explain how I could have fellen so much with 1 tv show? The rating was slightly down(but not much, like .10 or something) surely having a b- show can't drop you comepletly off the map?

[lavelleuk]

Just checked there profile, it says they achieved cult staus by "reaching D importance in 2 regions of america" and also to reach next stage there importance must be "C+ in 8 regions of america" before that tv taping I had minimun of B- in all but hawaii and puerto rico, which were both C+, after 1 B- there've all gone to C or C-!! I don;t get how 1 B- tv show can make me drop so far down? I have 2 tv shows a week, my house shows once a week in just america and canada, and always rotate where I go for tv tapings, so I have been very regular in each area, hence how I got it up so high! Don't want to sound like a bad loser but if 1 slightly below average tv show(website said was a good show, right below where it said SWF was in crisis) can make me drop so far! If that were true WWE would have been out of buisness years ago.

[Superkevd]

Is it the economy that has made this happen? In my game i brought TCW back from cult to international then not even a week later I've dropped back to cult despite the fact iv had a minimum of B+ rated shows for at least the last 3 months. It was the day after my October PPV which got an A rating.

[lavelleuk]

AH, economy was at F-. but still, surely my importance should have been going down slowly with it, rather than one day very important next day noone cares. I wouldn't be that bothered but was only 3 months into game and it takes me ages to but all the wrestlers into tables(only way I can decide who fights who, who I want ect is to do tables in word) Oh well, guess I'm waiting for the mod I want to come out then I try again!

[Rob4590]

Will people please STOP asking whether the economy and wrestling industry affect popularity (and therefore importance) - THEY DO NOT! They affect the size of the crowd at your shows, they affect things like merchandise sales, but not popularity. The only thing that affects them is how good your show rating (grade) is - not the TV rating, not the economy, not the industry. Back to the OP - SWF starts at international - which is national in your home country (C+ importance in 8 regions of USA, and E+ in all the others) and D importance in 4 regions outside USA. When you went global, this means you are national in USA (still the 8 C+ regions etc) but now your importance has gone to C- in 5 other regions. So everything is good so far. Now you run the "bad" show which drops you to cult. This will be because your home popularity (and therefore importance) has dropped, making one of those 8 C+ importance regions drop to C - thus making you cult. If you don't maintain national status in your home country, then it doesn't matter what you are elsewhere. And to pre-empt the next question (which is gonna be: but after each show I get the message that it improved my popularity) - this message takes into account ALL the regions that you show airs, and works out whether you have a total +/- % pop from that show, so although you were gaining overall (in order to go to global), your pop (and importance) in USA would have been falling closer and closer to the C+ importance threshhold. eg: a show in USA and Canada. If you lose 0.2% in each of the 11 USA regions for a show (eg holding a B- show when your pop in USA is B), while this B- rated show gains you 0.8% in each of the 5 Canadian regions (which may be at D+ pop) then you will get the "gained pop" message cos (0.8*5) = +4%, while losing 2.2% in USA. Hope this helps

[dPro]

But in the OP it says his last show before falling to cult, was rated B-. Certainly a B- show can't make the POP fall below C+? The rest of your explanation I'm on board with :)

[djlightning]

First is your Pop C- to C or yor Importance? I am guessing just the improtance. A B- minus show can take you from B popularity into B- popularity or even lower you're popularity from one level of B- to a lower B- level. Like take you from 76.9 to 76.8. No say you have a region with 80% importance, that means that if you have 80% popularity in that region you have 64% importance. So while your popularity is probably a B, you're looking at no more than C+ importance. So you can drop below the importance lvl, and thus fall to cult even though your your solidly atleast at B- popularity through out the country.

[lavelleuk]

rob4549, I didn;t ask that, someone who was trying to help said it, thanks for clearing it up, but the guy was trying to help a guy he's never met before, so atleast he was trying :) And it was my importance that was atleast B-, looking at the game now(havn't moved forward any days) all regions of america went down 2 stages, so from A to B, B+ to B- and B- to C ect. I'm still not sure how 1 B- show made every area take such a huge hit, but I'm not as annoyed as last night, lol.

[dPro]

Yeah, that's right! I keep forgetting that.. :) Well, I went ahead and made a small excel sheet that shows how much pop you need in each region to the different importance ratings. I'm no excel expert by any stretch of the imagination, so it's pretty simple, but it's should give people a clue. From the sheet it you can see that Tri State is the only region in which you can attain an A* in importance. Is this correct, or have I forgotten something? Well, here it is, if anyone wants to take a look: [URL="http://jenspetter.net/tew/Ratings.zip"]http://jenspetter.net/tew/Ratings.zip[/URL]

[Irish Wolf]

That's a good sheet dPro really helpful. Although most people don't know numbers so a translation of what happens for the letter grades. If you have a B in Hawaii what does that mean in importance. I mean it's pretty easy to look up but there are peopel who don't know how so if you lay it out maybe that would be nice.

[Superkevd]

The explanations are great n all but like i said i have not had even 1 show in months that was below B+ Rating, the PPV the day before i dropped to Cult was A rated. Therefore the explanation of my show ratings affecting my drop seems off to me. I only had 30 active wrestlers on my roster 9 down from the preferred size of 39 could this be what made it happen?

[dPro]

Yup. Less than the ideal amount of active wrestler causes sharp decrease in popularity and then importance.

[Superkevd]

Thanks for help, I dunno if i can go back to the game though worked hard to build back up just to be shot down again!

[infinitywpi]

The thing that bugs me is the 'up one step, down three steps in two days' bit. Maybeonce you hit the requirements to go up a level, the game randomly picks a day sometime in the next two weeks and that's when you go up? And maybe limit it to two weeks between steps (IE, if you manage to go National to Global, sometime in the next two weeks you'll hit International, and then sometime in the two weeks after that you'll hit Global... and then if you do somethign bad and fall to Cult, it'll take up to two weeks to go to Itnernational, up to two weeks to hit National, and up to two weeks to hit Cult... so it's not so sudden.

[dPro]

Yeah, it sucks when you fall to cult. I did too in a game i played. The following show got an A so that the importance ratings would have me back at global straight away, but due to the cooling down period, the TV Networks started complaining about low ratings and PPV Carriers backed out.. I had to order a new mouse that night.. :p

[Rob4590]

[QUOTE=dPro;450182]Yup. Less than the ideal amount of active wrestler causes sharp decrease in popularity and then importance.[/QUOTE] QFT - in 07 it used to be losing 1% per show in every region when you had less wrestlers than the required minimum - so that would definitely explain the drop to cult.

[lavelleuk]

That explains his, but according to my "ideal roster" I had too many, can you lose popularity if you have too many??? I was using my big 8 (8 most over) stars on each show.

[dPro]

You don't loose popularity by having more than the ideal amount of active wrestlers. The ideal amount is just the MINIMUM you need not to "look amateurish."

[lavelleuk]

Then I guess I lost how many % it needed to knock me down half a letter(or whatever it should be called) just by having the B- show :(

[dPro]

[QUOTE] in my game with SWF I was doing really well, popularity and importance had risen, lowest tv rating was C, I had 2 B+ in a row, then had a PPV where I got B+. Because of this I got a message saying I had risen to global, the same time(day after PPV) [B]I do my tv taping, gets a b-[/B] rating(everthing seemed to go wrong, but still not that bad surely?) I then get a message saying I've been fired for not doing the owned goal, and that we;'ve fallen to cult satus? So I went from international to global to cult in 2 days? [/QUOTE] I think that's (the highlighted part) the reason. Someone once wrote that a good way to look at the sizes is National + International and National + Global. As Rob4590 said: National = C+ importance in 8 regions of USA, and E+ in all the others (in USA) Internaional = National + D importance in 4 regions outside USA. Global = National + C- importance in 5 other regions outside USA. After you hit Global status, you had C+ importance in at least 8 regions of USA and E+ in all of USA, PLUS C- importance in 5 regions outside USA. My guess is that one of the areas in which you had C+ (in the US) was just over the C+ threshold. And the B- show you held, does not equal B- importance in the different regions. (See my excel sheet, if it's understandable) In some regions it could very well equal a C- in importance and that could have been just enough for you to drop below C+ in one of the 8 regions you need.

[d_w_w]

[QUOTE=dPro;450059]Yeah, that's right! I keep forgetting that.. :) Well, I went ahead and made a small excel sheet that shows how much pop you need in each region to the different importance ratings. I'm no excel expert by any stretch of the imagination, so it's pretty simple, but it's should give people a clue. From the sheet it you can see that Tri State is the only region in which you can attain an A* in importance. Is this correct, or have I forgotten something? Well, here it is, if anyone wants to take a look: [URL="http://jenspetter.net/tew/Ratings.zip"]http://jenspetter.net/tew/Ratings.zip[/URL][/QUOTE] That's a cool sheet, thanks for making it. Time to use work funds to print it. Saddens me, a little, that it's impossible to get A's in importance in most of the US (as they require 100+), but it is what it is.