Proposal: Cornellverse 6 months to a year later

[rufas2000]

First off let me state that the Cornellverse is great. This is not an effort to fix something that is broken but rather an attempt to "season to taste" so to speak. I am going to make a few changes to the C-Verse to increase my own enjoyment of it. If there is interest I can share my changes with the community. To that end I would like to get feedback from anyone interested in the general direction of my changes so that the resulting mod can be enjoyed by many. Here are my changes: [U]SWF and TCW on near equal footing[/U] I play as TCW so its the fed I'm most interested in. I would like to get the two main US feds closer so a real war can commence at the start. (Yeah, I know do it myself, I'm a wimp and I'm not the only one having trouble). I will adjust the prestige levels of each, increasing TCW to 80% and lowering SWF to 85%. Since their popularity in the U.S. is about even I plan to increase it a little for both of them. This will give the player even more breathing room. Next I plan to have TCW sign two big free agents. The first is Sean Mcfly. I know it messes with the relationship with Tamara Stone (oops should be Victoria Stone) but McFly signs with SWF anyway if his contract comes due early in the game. McFly is perfect for TCW and has great overness. The next one would be from SWF's roster. The three I'm considering are Christian Faith, Jack Bruce or Angry Gilmore. Faith seems the most appropriate to me (not sure why though) but he's involved in the feud with Vengeance (I'm trying to leave continuity in tact AMAP), Jack Bruce is my choice (and a return to TCW would be a neat story) but he's the champ, doubtful he would leave. Gilmore has good skills and would be a good fit in TCW. I also think it shouldn't be all roses for TCW so I'll have one of their big guns sign with the SWF. I'm not sure who, all options are open. I'm leaning toward Troy Tornado (I'd hate that but it makes sense), RDJ or Tyson Baine. And maybe have a SWF midcarder sign with TCW. [U]The Return of DAVE[/U] This is another change I think many people want. Right now the path of least resistance is to have PSW acquire Nemesis and Vibert as investors / workers and change the name back to DAVE. I would adjust the popularity and prestige to be near but not quite at DAVE levels in TEW 07. I would also have them sign Genghis Rahn in order to improve their roster and get a true hardcore legend. I think they should get Art Reed back also. [U]USPW acquires[/U] I would have the USPW grow a bit and sign Rick Law (coming back to where he got his start and to join Sam Strong) and Runaway Train (on the outs with SWF). Maybe bump their popularity up a bit. [U]Future Workers[/U] I'm sure many of you agree that there are some cool future workers. However, many of their debuts are set too far into the future for us who can't get through one year never mind several. I was thinking of taking about 15 of them and moving their debut dates up to right before or soon after this database starts. I wouldn't move any children up (like Tommy's recently born son) so as to maintain continuity. Any other changes anyone would like to see? This is a USA based mod, I'm not thinking I want to mess with other regions. It may be possible for me to do the US, put it up and have someone else do Canada and so on. We'll just coordinate any changes. One thing that concerns me are title lineages, I'd hate to go a year with no changes and any changes I would ake would be random. Feedback and suggestions welcome. If you feel this is unnecessary I certainly understand and respect that but I'm really looking for responses from people who would be interested in the concept and have suggestions or anyone who can see any unintended effects due to my changes. Thanks for reading.

[The Shape]

On my game Gilmore's contract expires within the first 5 or 6 months but I'm not sure if stuff like that is constant. Either way he'd be the most realistic option but Jessie's position would need thinking about.

[shamelessposer]

Some pretty major things would have to happen before Christian Faith would consider jumping to TCW. He's only got a few years until retirement, and he's at the top of the card where he is now. Besides the job security aspect, Faith practically is SWF. Eisen wouldn't want to lose him and Cornell might not even want him because of all of the baggage he carries as the face of SWF for the past ten years. Turning PSW into DAVE seems counterproductive and more than a little lazy. It would be more interesting if a Japanese garbage promotion bought the rights to the name or if the DAVE championship was used to revive TCW's hardcore division. And if you want diary-in-a-can, why not put Nemesis as the head booker of SWF? I have no clue how he'd get there, but the dramatic tension writes itself. Rick Law is a good choice to jump to USPW. His gimmick is too goofy for a main event push anywhere else.

[rufas2000]

Thanks for the feedback, exactly what I am looking for. Gilmore's contract hasn't come open for awhile in any of my games. I'm pretty sure its random. Also if this is something anybody reading would like to play let me know. If not that's fine I'll just be in my own happy world with my mod. But even if you wouldn't personally play it feel free to continue the suggestions. I'd like to keep the feel of the C-Verse in whatever I change. Would there be a proper way to resurrect DAVE? Even though I never played them I liked them. Of course I think any revival would probably take Nemesis and Vibert off the market.

[Gnrfan]

[QUOTE=rufas2000;452851]First off let me state that the Cornellverse is great. This is not an effort to fix something that is broken but rather an attempt to "season to taste" so to speak. I am going to make a few changes to the C-Verse to increase my own enjoyment of it. If there is interest I can share my changes with the community. To that end I would like to get feedback from anyone interested in the general direction of my changes so that the resulting mod can be enjoyed by many. Here are my changes: [U]SWF and TCW on near equal footing[/U] I play as TCW so its the fed I'm most interested in. I would like to get the two main US feds closer so a real war can commence at the start. (Yeah, I know do it myself, I'm a wimp and I'm not the only one having trouble). I will adjust the prestige levels of each, increasing TCW to 80% and lowering SWF to 85%. Since their popularity in the U.S. is about even I plan to increase it a little for both of them. This will give the player even more breathing room. Next I plan to have TCW sign two big free agents. The first is Sean Mcfly. I know it messes with the relationship with Tamara Stone but McFly signs with SWF anyway if his contract comes due early in the game. McFly is perfect for TCW and has great overness. The next one would be from SWF's roster. The three I'm considering are Christian Faith, Jack Bruce or Angry Gilmore. Faith seems the most appropriate to me (not sure why though) but he's involved in the feud with Vengeance (I'm trying to leave continuity in tact AMAP), Jack Bruce is my choice (and a return to TCW would be a neat story) but he's the champ, doubtful he would leave. Gilmore has good skills and would be a good fit in TCW. I also think it shouldn't be all roses for TCW so I'll have one of their big guns sign with the SWF. I'm not sure who, all options are open. I'm leaning toward Troy Tornado (I'd hate that but it makes sense), RDJ or Tyson Baine. And maybe have a SWF midcarder sign with TCW. [U]The Return of DAVE[/U] This is another change I think many people want. Right now the path of least resistance is to have PSW acquire Nemesis and Vibert as investors / workers and change the name back to DAVE. I would adjust the popularity and prestige to be near but not quite at DAVE levels in TEW 07. I would also have them sign Genghis Rahn in order to improve their roster and get a true hardcore legend. I think they should get Art Reed back also. [U]USPW acquires[/U] I would have the USPW grow a bit and sign Rick Law (coming back to where he got his start and to join Sam Strong) and Runaway Train (on the outs with SWF). Maybe bump their popularity up a bit. [U]Future Workers[/U] I'm sure many of you agree that there are some cool future workers. However, many of their debuts are set too far into the future for us who can't get through one year never mind several. I was thinking of taking about 15 of them and moving their debut dates up to right before or soon after this database starts. I wouldn't move any children up (like Tommy's recently born son) so as to maintain continuity. Any other changes anyone would like to see? This is a USA based mod, I'm not thinking I want to mess with other regions. It may be possible for me to do the US, put it up and have someone else do Canada and so on. We'll just coordinate any changes. One thing that concerns me are title lineages, I'd hate to go a year with no changes and any changes I would ake would be random. Feedback and suggestions welcome. If you feel this is unnecessary I certainly understand and respect that but I'm really looking for responses from people who would be interested in the concept and have suggestions or anyone who can see any unintended effects due to my changes. Thanks for reading.[/QUOTE] Sounds Interesting. I personally wouldn't let Tornado leave, as he is one of my favs in TCW. Personally i think it would be quite cool for Gilmore to go to TCW but let Baine go in the other direction. Also like the idea of the "breathing room" and a real war. Something i'd like to see is a face stable set up for the start of a game to go up against the Syndicate. Dave coming back is a hard one coz so many of the top stars have moved on. I'd certainly give it a go.

[Self]

Just some things I'd like to point out if you are going to try to put this together. From what I understand, you're trying to put a mod together in a way you personally would prefer to how the C-Verse is now. That's fine. Having TCW on a level pegging with SWF and having DAVE return in some form could throw up some slightly different experiences than what C-Verse08 is offering. Just be careful not to create too much of a 'dream' scenario. If I was you, I wouldn't, for example, bump up Steve Flash's popularity because everyone wants him to be more popular. The whole fun of Steve Flash is to build him up through those ranks. Don't fire guys who don't belong in certain rosters (like the Nation of Filth in 07). Part of the fun of running a promotion is tweaking the roster to the most suitable guys. If the roster is perfect already, what's the point? People say "Why doesn't Adam see that The Natural is a perfect (dare I say 'Natural') choice to enter the NOTBPW main event scene and win the title?" but isn't it more fun to be the guy who builds him up for a year and gets it done, than to have Adam have put him there at the start of the data? I've rambled, but my advice would basically be to try to offer up new challenges for the player. Don't just do the player's work for him. Don't just make it easier. Don't just make the talented guys rise closer to the top, where they 'deserve' to be. Don't punish the untalented. Add some problems for him to fix. Obstacles he must overcome. Steroid users he must hide. - Have SWF facing a struggle, a major blow that the player must correct (a defector is a good start) - Have TCW riding a wave, but have some kind of shadow on the horizon (maybe a recent increase in intensity and danger brought in new fans, but with 2 shows to do a week, the roster are beginning to pick up niggling injuries... or maybe half the roster just hate each other) For every silver lining. There is a dark cloud. P.S. I'd go with setting it 6 months later. I wouldn't set it a year after, as that's jumping into CVerse09 territory and it would be almost presumptuous to write it before Adam has a chance to. :)

[Remianen]

First off, who is Tamara Stone? [QUOTE=rufas2000;452851][U]Future Workers[/U] I'm sure many of you agree that there are some cool future workers. However, many of their debuts are set too far into the future for us who can't get through one year never mind several. I was thinking of taking about 15 of them and moving their debut dates up to right before or soon after this database starts. I wouldn't move any children up (like Tommy's recently born son) so as to maintain continuity.[/QUOTE] I've already done this, basically. I edited many of the future workers (only the women, of course) to debut earlier and added 36 custom workers I had laying around (most of them children of existing workers). Like Hollywood Bret Starr's cousin (one of Micky's other grandchildren), El Patron's granddaughters, etc. Personally, I think something like this should be a personal thing. Everyone's going to have a different view of what fits the C-Verse world as they see it. Plus, a lot of changes you make could impact and/or conflict with current continuity. When Adam comes out with the full C-Verse update, your changes might conflict with that data in ways you may not see immediately. For example, my new workers when 07 dropped (Olivia McFly and her brothers) directly conflicted with Adam's new workers (Lucy Stone-McFly was the one that I noticed at first) which made me have to roll back my changes. To be fair, that was because I made my changes directly to the default DB like a moron. It also throws off the balance of the world. Like, you'll never get to see how 'New Worker X' pans out when you have top tier workers debuting around the same time because Shane and Duane McFly are takin' their spots in (insert promotion that might've been interested here).

[rufas2000]

More great feedback, thank you. I have no plans to mess with the workers skills or popularity. I know it was just an example but it gives me a chance to make that point. Doesn't mean its off the table completely if it should happen that it would make the mod better I would do it but very sparingly. I like 6 months as a timeframe also. Hopefully they'll be an 09 for Adam to tweak the C-Verse for. Or even if there isn't he'll probably do it anyway. Perfect cloud for TCW: Cornell drops the title to Troy Tornado (or Wolfy but that might be better for the player to do) and takes two to four months off (preexisting injury). He knows his fed is set up for success, he's feelin' the grind of carrying TCW on his back and he has a youngin' and a hot wife he wants to spend time with. I also think I'd lower Tommy's patience a little (if there is a way to do that). Now that he's got some new talent and TCW is in a better position he expects results. So the player has a few new toys (workers) and more pop but is expected to produce results, nurture a new champ (or find someone else) and not rely on old reliable Mr. Cornell. Thanks again. [QUOTE]who is Tamara Stone?[/QUOTE] Oops, meant Victoria Stone, Sean Mcfly's wife. Tamara Mcfly is someone else, got them flipped, oops. Sorry for the confusion.

[praguepride]

Another thing that has been mentioned before but you HAVE to keep in mind is realism. First a disclaimer, I'm anal and not ashamed to admit it or embrace it. So whenever I see these diaries/mods of having Nemesis/Phil working with SWF (which seems to be a surprisingly common thread) I close down the window and hop to the next thread. It's fine to manipulate things, it's fine to speculate, but I would like to believe that by now the C-verse has been fleshed out enough that you can make a reasonable prediction of how the major characters would react in any given situation. So like what was mentioned before about Christian Faith jumping ship. There would be no good reason for it. He's already at the top of the card riding a huge wave of popularity, and he's on the verge of retirement. There would be very little to gain and a whole lot to lose by jumping ship. NOW the flipside is that anything IS possible. DaVE closed down, not many people saw that coming (especially Monkeypox :D). BUT you have to have a good solid explanation for it. It IS possible that Nemesis or Phil could end up working for Eisen, but there had better be a damn good explanation for it. And I'm not saying you'd need to write a 5 page report, but it should at least be given some thought, it should go a little beyond a simple phone call. It IS possible that Christian Faith would jump ship, but you'd really really need a good motivator for that. He's already a multi-champion and is one of the iconic figureheads of SWF. You'd have to explain why he would reject his contract, or why SWF wouldn't renew his contract. The same goes for any of the other SWF stars you mentioned, especially Angry Gilmore. Sure he's not being used to his fullest potential, but he IS rising up in the card and is getting very close to main event status. Why would SWF turn their back on a great worker with awesome potential that they've been building up for years? On the flip side why would Gilmore turn his back on the promotion that gave him fame and glory? Anything is possible, just be ready to back it up with some solid reasoning and thoughts.

[rufas2000]

[QUOTE]On the flip side why would Gilmore turn his back on the promotion that gave him fame and glory?[/QUOTE] In TCW he could be the man, second to Cornell. Maybe RDJ and Baine too. (Note in my mod one of those will be gone). In the SWF he has to compete with Vengeance, Christian Faith, Jack Bruce, Steve Frehley, Remo, Eric Eisen, Enygma and Squeeky (the main eventers in my current game, I'm TCW). Most of those guys aren't nearly as capable on the mic or in the ring as Gilmore. He's getting the same push in my current game (upper midcarder) as two ex DaVE guys and a guy in a fish suit. Gilmore is also slightly driven (thanks Personality Plus*, a great tool for storywriting as well) so that figures into it. Sounds reasonable to me that he might want to jump. It wouldn't even have to be a bitter split, simply an opportunity to be a big fish in what might be as big a pond as where he just left. And he'll be on the ground floor (or at least close) of it all. There are maybe half a dozen guys in TCW with comparable popularity to Gilmore (2 or 3 better) and about a dozen in SWF. He would debut as a main eventer in TCW no prob. Your right about Faith. I think Bruce would be harder to justify considering he's the champ. I guess I could say his run didn't work out which left him and Eisen disillusioned. That led to a split and a return to the familiar ground of TCW. But I'm not feelin' that one as much although I personally would love to have Bruce back. * It was fortunate for my story that he was slightly toward driven as he is very loyal & humble, which didn't work for this explanation. I don't think it precludes it either but just to be fair and all.