Spillover specifics

[Wallbanger]

Could you kind folks help me better understand how spillover works, especially in terms of what regions spill over to where, and at what levels of pop spillover takes place? I understand the general concept but would like to grasp the details better.

[Wallbanger]

Here's what I *think* the spillover dynamics are for the US (my primary concern at the moment), though it could very well be off, please correct this if need be: New England -- spills over to Tri State, The Maritimes Tri State -- spills over to New England, Mid Atlantic, Great Lakes, The Maritimes, Quebec, and Ontario Mid Atlantic -- spills over to Great Lakes, South East South East -- spills over to Puerto Rico, Great Lakes and Mid Atlantic Puerto Rico -- spills over to South East and Tri State Mid South -- spills over to Mid West and South West Mid West -- spills over to Mid South and The Prairies Great Lakes -- spills over to Mid Atlantic, Tri State, and Ontario South West -- spills over to Mid South, North West, Hawaii, Northern Mexico and West Central Mexico North West -- spills over to South West and British Columbia Hawaii -- spills over to South West and ALL JAPAN REGIONS

[NordVolf]

[QUOTE=Wallbanger;454304]Question, does spillover cross game areas? Would New England spill over into The Maritimes, for example, or South West into Northern Mexico?[/QUOTE] I believe so, yes. Playing AAA in the North West, I see when looking at even my initial popularity/importance that while I'm F- in most areas/regions outside the NW, I'm E+ in the US NW, E- in the US Midwest, and F+ in the US SW. I'm also F in the Canadian Maritimes, Quebec, and Onterio. Stands to reason that the game is designed to start that way to simulate the spillover from past times, from the head booker prior to you. It therefor also stands to reason that, should you gain overness/importance later in the game in other areas, or increase your starting area(s) significantly, spillover will occure across national borders as well. The only reason I could see not is when there's an ocean in the way. But even then, spill-over could happen in this day and age of rapid communication (radio & TV), internet (even if you're not on Internet Distribution), bootleg DVDs, etc. [B]*[I]EDIT[/I]*[/B] When looking at Popularity when I start AAA (US NW), I'm E+ in the NW, E- in the Midwest, F+ in the SW and F in the Midsouth. I'm also at a solid F [I][B]all across Canada[/B][/I]! So looks like spillover does in fact ocure across national borders.

[NordVolf]

Looking at the Regional Battle(s) for AAA in the US NW is even more revealing. I have no TV, PPV or other deals. No internet distribution. I held a weekly (Saturday) show as well as the Monthly PPV-esque blow-off show (1st Tuesday of Jan), and held one show outside the NW (that in the MidWest, Saturday week 4). And I have all regions of the world active. Yet in the Regional Battle(s), I have the following areas available to view: [U]USA[/U]: Mid-Atlantic; Mid-South; New England; NorthWest; SouthWest; and TriState. [U]Japan[/U]: Tohoku; and Kinki. AAA shows up placing in the US's MidSouth, NorthWest and SouthWest. I placed second in all of them. Damn you, Coastal Zone! :p In National Battle there's nothing to report. This at the end of the first month. Of course, what this all means with regards to spillover I'm not certain. Sure does raise some questions, though. Could it be that the NW spills over into all those areas? And what the heck was I thinking, holding a show in the MidWest...?!

[Rob4590]

Its very easy to test (cos I did it in 05) - just set up an unemployed game. On day one go into the editor and change the popularity of certain feds - eg make one fed say 35% popular in one area, and 0% everywhere else. Save it, then advance to the next day. Go back into the editor and have a look at what poularity you are in close by areas - then you have your spillover regions if they have moved. Of course - 35% may not be the correct figure - just keep moving it up or down in the editor and advancing a day at a time and checking until you get conclusive results. Remember though - at certain (higher) points you are likely to get spillover into all areas of your country - or even into new countries

[Remianen]

Tri-State spills over into 2 areas of Canada too (Ontario and maybe the Maritimes?). That change was made in 07 to make the Tri-State the most valuable region in North America (which is one reason for its Importance being what it is). Currently, nothing spills over into Hawaii, I don't think.

[d_w_w]

A shame that nothing spills into Hawaii. My experience surfing and being attacked by jellyfish there tells me that Hawaii should get spillover from both Japan and California (South West). Although, honestly, this is a minor issue, as I haven't had any issues with Hawaii's pop in my games (I either haven't needed it or have kept it up with a TV deal).

[Actarus]

This is what my experiments have revealed to me, using a promotion based in Tri State as an example. I think it was Rob that came up with the thresholds in '07, and they remain true in '08: Tri-State [LIST] [*]Get to 17.1% in Tri State - Gain 5.1% in Great Lakes, Mid Atlantic, New England, The Maritimes, Quebec, & Ontario [*] 41.1% - Gain 17.1% in Great Lakes, Mid Atlantic, New England, The Maritimes, Quebec, Ontario, 5.1% in The Prairies, British Columbia [*] 65.1% - Gain29.1% in Great L akes, Mid Atlantic, New England, The Maritimes, Quebec, Ontario, 5.1% in South east, The Prairies, British Columbia [*] 83.1% - Gain 47.1% in Great Lakes, Mid Atlantic, New England, The Maritimes, Quebec, Ontario, 17.1% in The Prairies, British Columbia, 5.1% in South East [/LIST] A few things to note: - If the overspill gain is GREATER than the overness in said region, it WILL NOT ADD, but rather REPLACE said overness. For example, if your tri-state based promotion gets to 17.1% overness in tri state, and you have 3.0% overness in the Great Lakes, it will become 5.1%, NOT 8.1% (3.0 + 5.1) - If the overspill gain is LESS THAN the overness in said region, it WILL NOT ADD to that region, but simply remain the same. In the example I just noted, if you get a tri-state promotion to 17.1%, and you have 10.0% in the Great lakes, it will remain at 10.0%; it will not become 15.1% (10.0% + 5.1%) - You don't HAVE to be based in a region to gain the overspill (you can concentrate in a different region). However, this is not a RULE; from my experiences, this sometimes happens, and sometimes it doesn't (you get the overspill or you don't) This is purely speculation on my part, but I think it depends on the # of regions in a country. So you'll see this phenomenon in USA & Japan (large # of regions), but may not in Mexico or Europe.

[Wallbanger]

Interesting stuff. I went ahead and did some testing, and I'll update my post above shortly. But here's the REALLY interesting thing... South West does spill over into Hawaii. Hawaii? Spills over to South West...AND ALL OF JAPAN.

[d_w_w]

[QUOTE=Wallbanger;454550]Interesting stuff. Hawaii? Spills over to South West...AND ALL OF JAPAN.[/QUOTE] As it should. Now, does Japan sill over into the South West as well?

[Wallbanger]

[quote=d_w_w;454552]As it should. Now, does Japan sill over into the South West as well?[/quote] It's the "ALL" of Japan that surprises me. Kanto, sure, but the whole country? Now that's cool.

[d_w_w]

The "all" makes sense to me, given that almost 20% of Hawaii's population claims Japanese ancestry, and that Hawaii is a big destination for Japanese tourists. It would, probably, be better if there were different levels of spillover, though. Maybe if the Kanto region would benefit more from Hawaiian spillover than the rest of Japan. Edit: I'm not sure whether I buy my argument. Maybe a generic low-level spillover for all regions makes sense. I should do some testing tonight to see what the numbers are.

[D-Lyrium]

[QUOTE=d_w_w;454567]It would, probably, be better if there were different levels of spillover, though. Maybe if the Kanto region would benefit more from Hawaiian spillover than the rest of Japan.[/QUOTE] The funny thing is, due to Importance, it technically does. :p

[Wallbanger]

[quote=D-Lyrium;454577]The funny thing is, due to Importance, it technically does. :p[/quote] This is true -- Kanto is the Tri-State of Japan since it has 100% importance.

[d_w_w]

[QUOTE=D-Lyrium;454577]The funny thing is, due to Importance, it technically does. :p[/QUOTE] Good point - had forgotten about that.

[Gigas]

spillovers work for wrestlers too, no?

[D-Lyrium]

Yup, in exactly the same way IIRC.

[Comradebot]

Thought I'd test out Europe since, well... who the hell else uses Europe? Basically, it goes like this: Scandinavia, Mediterranean, and Central Europe are all inter-linked. Getting the appropriate overness in any of these three areas will give you spill over it seems into only the other two areas. Eastern Europe gives NO spillover ANYWHERE, and no place in Europe will spillover into Eastern Europe. All in all, this doubly sucks and simply adds to the already daunting task of growing a European company past, say, Cult. Not only do you have to deal with TV Networks who won't sign with you due to your lack of popularity in England and a small/un-over worker pool (not to mention the current lack of new workers set to debut... c'mon random people!), but to get to National you're going to have to venture into a land with absolutely NO overness, and to get to International you're going to have to do the same but on a greater scale. Oh, and looking over the networks... there's two "very small" TV networks with coverage across Europe, one of which factors every UK and European region, and the other factors in all of them EXCEPT for Scotland and Eastern Europe. Something tells me I'm likely to get the one that neglects Eastern Europe first. Which brings me to my final conclusion... how long could it possibly take for someone to get EWA or UEW to Global? Took me just under a year to get EWA to Regional without breaking myself (too bad I didn't go with UEW, Mediterranean arenas draw larger crowds... lulz). Still, I'm up to the task. I assume it'll be a bit more of smooth sailing the day I hit National and can start shipping talent in from across the world permanently.

[Comradebot]

Okay, something must've went wrong with my first test... Turns out, you CAN get spillover into the UK from Europe... eventually. Still, it appears none of the European areas can ever spillover into Eastern Europe, even after throwing all three to 100%, and at 100% Eastern Europe does not spillover into any part of the world. Those former Soviet nations are just very closed off when it comes to wrestling, even if a company employs every Russian worker in the game at once.

[Genadi]

It took democracy some 30+ years to spill over into Eastern Europe, give it some time :p

[FINisher]

Oh man I laughed on that one. :D

[mike b]

My thoughts to [QUOTE=d_w_w;454531]A shame that nothing spills into Hawaii. My experience surfing and being attacked by jellyfish there tells me that Hawaii should get spillover from both Japan and California (South West). Although, honestly, this is a minor issue, as I haven't had any issues with Hawaii's pop in my games (I either haven't needed it or have kept it up with a TV deal).[/QUOTE] i think both Japan and everything in the west should spill over into hawaii

[mike b]

Yes [QUOTE=Wallbanger;454550]Interesting stuff. I went ahead and did some testing, and I'll update my post above shortly. But here's the REALLY interesting thing... South West does spill over into Hawaii. Hawaii? Spills over to South West...AND ALL OF JAPAN.[/QUOTE] That would be right. I rem in the 80s when local wrestling was big in hawaii it also started becoming big in california and the matches started gettng sghown in japan also. So it makes sence for Hawaii to spillover into the southwest and all of japan

[Sudo_Nym]

Judging from the spillover stats and comparitive importance, it seems like it'd be easier for a Hawaiian based company to reach the growth goals in Japan than America; which make me wonder what happens if a Hawaiian fed reaches the requirements for, say, Regional, but one of the necessary regions is Kanto?