alden Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 I don't know how long that link is going to be up. Alert don't let kids any where near this video. This is something that I am not sure should even be posted. The beating this guy got was so uncalled for. Respect in wrestling is something huge. You do a job some times, you lay down some times and to be honest people get pissed when you don't. I lost alot of respect for rotten after this show. He let his own kid hit a guy with a kendo stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricanendp Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 it's up on youtube and some other wrestling sites too, was posted a while ago. But still, i honestly can't believe they're going to get away with this type of thing, it's absolutely awful and they deserve to be dealt with with the harshest of punishments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alden Posted July 31, 2008 Author Share Posted July 31, 2008 They are being investigated by the police. [URL="http://rajah.com/base/node/13154"]http://rajah.com/base/node/13154[/URL] It's a long story about it so that is the link. I honestly hope it was just a "work" because to be honest i don't think anyone deserves that. Even some guys who they claim was "asking for it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panix04 Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 eeuurrrgghhhh..... That was horrible. I'm a fan of "hardcore wrestling" you know the stuff that Cactus Jack and terry Funk did together, that was always really tasteful. This just makes you feel slightly ill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undertaker666 Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinesxe Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 I can honestly say I believe in Karma and I am sure thats why she is on the shelf with a broken leg....Hopefully she has learned her lesson.... BTW isn't it funny thst Levy gets blamed for "not knowing how to work" and causing Knuckles to have a knot on her head, and then the next week she breaks her leg in a boched move? Karma again, maybe she should learn to work better.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisen-verse Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 [QUOTE]I can honestly say I believe in Karma and I am sure thats why she is on the shelf with a broken leg....Hopefully she has learned her lesson.... BTW isn't it funny thst Levy gets blamed for "not knowing how to work" and causing Knuckles to have a knot on her head, and then the next week she breaks her leg in a boched move? Karma again, maybe she should learn to work better....[/QUOTE] Couldn't have said it better. Very True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blasphemywebleed Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 I've taken the link down as it's something that doesn't belong on GDS. If you do want to see it then its pretty easy to find with google. It honestly turned my stomach, the beating the guy got was uncalled for in everyway. I really hope to never witness anything like that at any indy show no matter how extreme the promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comradebot Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Garbage wrestling at its lowest of lows. I'll agree with what someone else said, I loved what Foley and Funk could do in their prime, and go out and say ECW did. But... 1. This was mindless violence. 2. Either this was a really tastless work, or just a terrible way to deal with an apparent problem. If Mickie really didn't need that knot on her head, then she shouldn't have started stiffing with that fat bastard. Even so, this is basically just a public flogging. Even if its a work, its **** like this that gives wrestling the bad reputation it has. I think there's an art in wrestling, but when you start doing things in the same league as Jackass it starts to prove otherwise. 3. It almost reeks of being a shameless publicity stunt on Rotten's part. As someone pointed on the comments section of the video, IWA:MS has had several big talents in the past. I can't think of too many guys there I'd finger as being the next big thing, and maybe Rotten realized that and decided that something like this that'd create contreversy and get circled around the web would draw a few extra eyes his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfRoMaN36 Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 [QUOTE=Comradebot;472440]Garbage wrestling at its lowest of lows. I'll agree with what someone else said, I loved what Foley and Funk could do in their prime, and go out and say ECW did. But... 1. This was mindless violence. 2. Either this was a really tastless work, or just a terrible way to deal with an apparent problem. If Mickie really didn't need that knot on her head, then she shouldn't have started stiffing with that fat bastard. Even so, this is basically just a public flogging. Even if its a work, its **** like this that gives wrestling the bad reputation it has. I think there's an art in wrestling, but when you start doing things in the same league as Jackass it starts to prove otherwise. 3. It almost reeks of being a shameless publicity stunt on Rotten's part. As someone pointed on the comments section of the video, IWA:MS has had several big talents in the past. I can't think of too many guys there I'd finger as being the next big thing, and maybe Rotten realized that and decided that something like this that'd create contreversy and get circled around the web would draw a few extra eyes his way.[/QUOTE] Totally agree. Either way, I totally lost respect for him. He has accomplished nothing in the industry but opening some pissy backyard ECW wannabe fed. The kinds of feds that give WWE and TNA a bad rap by association. This "man" totally needs to go play in traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 If you go to the company message board, Ian posted a big long diatribe about how the kid knew it was going to happen. But, if it was a work, why would Ian need to tell us? Wouldn't he be enjoying the attention? Of course his supposed justification, sticking up for Mickie, loses all credibility. If he was so concerned about her safety, why did he book her in the deathmatch and why did he put her in there with an untrained wrestler. In the end, it didn't matter, she broke her leg jumping off a balcony. TNA says they will still sign her, but I hope Dixie Carter gets wind of this tape and reneges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfRoMaN36 Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 [QUOTE=scorpion;472454]If you go to the company message board, Ian posted a big long diatribe about how the kid knew it was going to happen. But, if it was a work, why would Ian need to tell us? Wouldn't he be enjoying the attention? [/quote] Lord knows it would be the only attention ever given to him without the help of Axl. Either way, if TNA wants to avoid bad PR, they won't sign her. They will most likely come to their senses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comradebot Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 [QUOTE=AfRoMaN36;472456]Lord knows it would be the only attention ever given to him without the help of Axl. Either way, if TNA wants to avoid bad PR, they won't sign her. They will most likely come to their senses.[/QUOTE] There women's division is beyond solid enough as it is. Last thing they need is some gimped out, inferior version of ODB. And I agree, it almost seems like Ian is trying to cover his ass for what happened. "It was all fake, nothing to see here, move along!" And the damned thing is, since its wrestling related then he just might get away with it. I'm sure the cops didn't try and chase down the Undertaker when he abducted Stephanie McMahon ("Where to Stephanie!?"... best... segment... ever.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 That's unbelievable. I was reading through some of the article too, where Rotten got his son involved? Anything to grab a spotlight, huh? And his response to the questioning from the local news affiliate. [QUOTE]Rotten was interviewed by WLKY and claimed that the beating was supposed to look like a "gang-style beating, and it did." Rotten said that Levy wasn't seriously injured, and that this was all a part of the show. He said that while Levy took some "brutal strikes," he also added that it's "not ballet." Rotten also said that Levy is scheduled to participate in their Fall Death Match tournament later in the year.[/QUOTE] I think this is like that minor league pitcher in Chicago, who threw a baseball towards the oppositions dugout during an on field brawl, and hit a fan in the head, saying "my aim was off," and reitterating "baseball isn't ballet." How can anyone think that statement justifies putting someone through that kind of abuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 [QUOTE=AfRoMaN36;472446]Totally agree. Either way, I totally lost respect for him. He has accomplished nothing in the industry but opening some pissy backyard ECW wannabe fed. The kinds of feds that give WWE and TNA a bad rap by association.[/QUOTE] I've been to IWA-MS shows. I wouldn't call them a 'pissy backyard ECW wannabe'. ECW never moved into Garbage style. The video was horrific for a wrestling program. I've seen far worse, but only in reality (i.e. there was no need to even ask if it was a work). I don't get where the outrage is coming from. If this was a legit beating, why isn't Levy pressing charges? If he wasn't in on it, or it wasn't what was agreed upon, why isn't he doing anything? So he had a rough indoctrination into being a wrestler (it aint all fun and games and like Ian said, it's not ballet). The same could be said for people who pledged fraternities 10-15 years ago. Not NOW, when frats have toned down their initiations so much (due to media scrutiny), they might as well make pledges write essays and fill out applications. Again, that was one hellacious beatdown, for sure. But if the supposed victim is okay with it, who the hell are you (or I) to question it? So Ian used a shocking event to promote IWA-MS. News flash! Controversy creates what, again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Gadzinski Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Anybody know what I should look up on Youtube to find this video.. I've looked up Mike Levy and a bunch of variables off that. Yet, I'm not watching the video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermore Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Okay, I do find myself having to say this and, in no way, do I think any of you are wrong to find it offensive. I can see how it would be. However, I do think it is/was a work. I just think you can tell by the style of delivery; if I was in a fight I want grab someone by the head and throw a short arm punch. I'd use a proper straight left. Moreover, I've seen the CZW guys (and, more recently, the Briscoes especially) take far worse in the way of anatomical damage. Personally, I wasn't much of a fan of it either (just in terms of how it was portrayed); I feel that gratuitous violence is what gives "hardcore" wrestling an unfair stigma. Nevertheless, I reckon, for those who want to watch it (and participate - for some masochistic reason :confused:) it has it's place. Rotten was clearly going for an angle that blurred the line between work and shoot and he did it. This reaction is probably [I]exactly[/I] what he was after... another "internet sensation". [QUOTE=Remianen;472576]I don't get where the outrage is coming from. If this was a legit beating, why isn't Levy pressing charges? ...but if the supposed victim is okay with it, who the hell are you (or I) to question it?[/QUOTE] Spot on! ..and, by the way, I also find the ECW comment unfounded. Paul E was far more subtle in his approach. Quote The Raven Nevermore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Aussie Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 [QUOTE=Remianen;472576] So Ian used a shocking event to promote IWA-MS. News flash! Controversy creates what, again?[/QUOTE] In a situation like this, Controversy creates bad PR and may cause less people to come to shows, thereby losing cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermore Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 [QUOTE=The Aussie;472598]In a situation like this, Controversy creates bad PR and may cause less people to come to shows, thereby losing cash.[/QUOTE] You think this will result in a [I]smaller [/I]fan base? I reckon more people will go check it out if only just to get a feel for the regular product to judge the incident by. You have to be interested in an edgey product to begin with in order to attend a KOTDM show. Quote The Raven Nevermore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I don't believe for a second that this started out a work. Ian's talking out both sides of his mouth. On one hand he says things like, if they wanted to hurt him they would have and that the kid watched the show from the back. On the other hand he talks about giving him his just receipts for hitting Mickie. You can't have it both ways. [QUOTE=Remianen;472576]I don't get where the outrage is coming from. If this was a legit beating, why isn't Levy pressing charges? If he wasn't in on it, or it wasn't what was agreed upon, why isn't he doing anything? So he had a rough indoctrination into being a wrestler (it aint all fun and games and like Ian said, it's not ballet). The same could be said for people who pledged fraternities 10-15 years ago. Not NOW, when frats have toned down their initiations so much (due to media scrutiny), they might as well make pledges write essays and fill out applications.[/QUOTE] Because the kids a mark of the worst kind. Ian took advantage of him and roughed him up, then took him backstage and buttered his ego. He probably told the kid that they do this for all the new wrestlers and promised to bring him back. (Ians admitted that much) So in the end, the kids such a mark for wrestling he accepts what happened. He has what Roddy Piper calls "the sickness." It still doesn't make it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningHamster Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Haha oh Ian Rotten, always a classy gentleman. IWA Mid South isn't always that bad, but I have to say I have no interest in supporting a company that stoops to things like that. Never been a fan of CZW or IWA-MS's attempts at garbage wrestling. They get the garbage part right, but they tend to leave out the wrestling. I miss ECW and FMW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alden Posted August 1, 2008 Author Share Posted August 1, 2008 If i offended anyone with the video i am sorry. Hence the disclamer on it. I honestly don't think it will do anything to the fan base. The comments like this is the best thing i have ever seen by some fan shows what kind of fans they have. I for one don't mind a good well planed out hardcore match. And the match in this was not all that bad. But what happens after is just sick. As for the pressing charges thing it might be the mentality of him "paying his deues". Take an ass kicking and gain some respect in his mind atleast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 My opinion, the stuff is true "Garbage" and doesn't deserve to even be called wrestling, definately not professional. I've watched a few match's by them before, only because I wanted to see some of the wrestler's in action, not because it was them. I was let down by every single match I ever watched by them. What a waste of time they are. I don't care if it was a work or not. I heard that kid was slightly retarded or slow, not sure how true it is. Either way, I aggree with Scorpion. He was "Sugared" up after the match, because they knew how it looked, and they knew they better do something about it before they get in trouble. The kid just wants to wrestle. From what I understand, he begged to be in the match in the first place. He's not going to turn them in, as he probably feels he is going to be rewarded for not doing so, or worse... Not be able to wrestle anymore if he did turn them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQI13 Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I could see this as a ploy to get more of the fans' money by Ian...seriously, how many times has he come out asking the fans for money? If you're not good at running a business...don't run a business. And I agree with Chris...it's garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamelessposer Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I'm not joking when I say that I've seen actual backyard wrestlers who were more talented than Mike Levy. ******* doesn't even know how to sell a light tube shot? On the other hand, controversy creates cash and all that. Maybe the next IWA-MS show will get [i]three[/i] dozen audience members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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