A more direct way to inteperate Superstar Quality?

[crayon]

*By no means am I saying that this is the correct way to do it.. but it [i]appears[/i] to work logically for me. This stat has constantly bugged me to no end. The way it was explained to me was that it was for those workers who have "it". "It" being this intangible thing that you can't really work out what it is, but you know they have it. And to a person of my possibly psycho-analytical disposition, that explanation was just hell to translate into into a statistic. But then I thought.. what say SQ is a way to measure someone's Uniqueness? (positive uniqueness anyway.. not X-pac uniqueness) Be it their ring work, entertainment skills, looks, etc.. how much more do they stand out from the average guy next to them? Not neccessarily in terms of quality, but in terms of "oh, that's different" Uniqueness. Could that be what this mythical "It" factor is? And if so, maybe this post will help out others who've been having trouble with the statistic like I was.

[Day_Dreamer]

I don't think its really that simple, look back at Rock, he was no different than any other baby face that came along WWF back in the day, but then he suddenly started becoming a star. Look back at Batista, he was just another roided up OVW cookie cut freak, but look at him now. Look at samoa Joe, he's probably got the most unique style in US wrestling today, but does he have the x factor? no If you ask me, the it factor is what society (mainly the target demographic for wrestling) at a particular time looks up to. John Cena for example would have been a disaster 15 years ago when the whole thug life thing is looked down on, 80s Hogan today would be cheesy, Dusty today would be boo'ed out of the building, Flair would be called boring, Bret would be called too plain.........the lsit just goes on

[rodzillahotrod]

to me it mean how much of a star he is in your eyes or others. like for example hulk hogan is A*, u could say rey is B, but then u go to super crazy and give him a C-. to me its like how popular do u think he could achieve in life? how big of a star is he ever going to be? im not saying their going to be stuck at that level that u give them because all the factors u could make wrestler with a F into a star in this game it would just take longer then a wrestler that has A* thats basically has the same stats. i say if you dont understand make to wrestlers exactly the same and change their SQ stat and push them the same way and u'll see who gets their faster.

[djthefunkchris]

I like your explanation to be honest. Someone that is "Unique" and stands out. Weather it be from explosive ring action, or explosive mic skills, or just something about the way they walk down the ramp that ignites the room. There is no doubt in my mind that a Hulk Hogan today, would work in a big way, if there was never a Hulk Hogan, so I disagree with Day Dreamer, sorry. Let me ask you something... Do you REALLY THINK that Hulk Hogan was "Cool" back then to us? Do you really think we didn't think it was Cheesy back then? OF course we did. Times have not changed that dramatically, and if you watch a show from then, you can see the same techniques used today. Hell, Look at "Black Machismo" if you don't think the old gimmicks would work again, or Shark Boy doing his "Stone Cold" thing. These things would work, especially if they were never done before. No doubt in my mind. Hogan was Cheesy to us, just as Undertaker is gimmicky to us now. If Hogan had a match at a WWE PPV coming up, lets say Summer Slam... You trying to tell me no one would pay to see that? Come on, even today people would at his age right now, imagine if he was 20 or 30 years younger, and just coming on to the scene. There would be no stopping it...> Especially with the Incredible Hulk movies around right now (part of his gimmick anyways). I agree with Rodzilla as well, although his stats might not be how I would rate them, he's on to what I would think of the SQ stat. EDIT: And I think Samoa Joe if packaged right, could very easily be huge. I think he does have that "It" factor.. Maybe not in a Hulk Hogan way, but definitely there with say a "Honky Tonk Man" Superstar Quality. For example, if he went to WWE, I think he could be the guy to rejuvenate any of the mid level titles, heck... Even the ECW [B]world [/B]title (right now, as it's closer to the US or Intercontinental title). He could easily have a few Main title runs as well. I personally would have him sway from mid to main event depending on what I have to work with. Edited bolded, from would to world, lol.

[crayon]

[quote]I don't think its really that simple, look back at Rock, he was no different than any other baby face that came along WWF back in the day, but then he suddenly started becoming a star. Look back at Batista, he was just another roided up OVW cookie cut freak, but look at him now.[/quote] I don't think you're wrong there either. But I think you said it yourself with "started becoming a star". If any of those early-day versions were in front of us now and we lacked what we know now of them, wouldn't we say they didn't have "it" and give them a bum SQ level in our RW mods? If anything you'd say that they both had high potential. Of course, I suppose the question then is how TEW doles out boosts to the SQ stat over the course of a game. (which i'm not really too sure of the intricacies, but last I heard it's just from a few random incidents like making a movie or posing for a magazine) So I guess my theory may not work that well in history mods. But for current and fantasy mods I'm liking it.

[rodzillahotrod]

no i didnt mean to rate it off his other stats im just saying if u had to works with the same stats but different SQ and pushed the same the one with a higher SQ would go farther. really u cant base it off stats imo look at john cena he sucks to big time but for some reason u either like him or hate the guy and would pay to see him win or lose but he has that it factor in his promos i admit the way he does promos and makes the face with each word he speaks hes telling a great story and i'd atleast give the guy a B in SQ, but say someone like Brain Kendrick which doesnt have the it who has better stats he just doesn't have the IT he doesnt have his own character to get somewhere yet maybe one day he would, if i was raiting kendrick i'd give him a C but thats my opinion. i say base SQ on how he does in every character (gimmick) they have played. look at cena for another example who didn't like him acting like a rapper? but soon has he turned face and started acting joe military people either loved it or hated it and he was selling ppv's those r his greatest characters. look at ric flair right now he sucks at wrestling but he would do better then hogan but his SQ is the same and if he came back right now for one night i bet they would have a higher rating that night then usual because he has that unique character about him.

[crayon]

Hmm not sure i'm entirely following the above example.. but if I'm reading it right, would that mean that you'd give Steve Williams an average SQ rating because while the Stone Cold Steve Austin gimmick was a success, the other ones weren't done very well?

[Rathen4]

[QUOTE=crayon;475680]Hmm not sure i'm entirely following the above example.. but if I'm reading it right, would that mean that you'd give Steve Williams an average SQ rating because while the Stone Cold Steve Austin gimmick was a success, the other ones weren't done very well?[/QUOTE] Yeah I fully agree with this idea actually, it's a sensible way of doing things and portraying how alter-egos and gimmicks drastically change how someone appeals to the fans. I know the gimmick rating does that now but it would be interesting to see this.

[rodzillahotrod]

imo steve williams did great in all the characters i seen him do from wcw, ecw to wwe. i would give him A*