James Casey Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Since my most recent popularity boost, I've mostly been booking the 2,000 seat arena in my region twice a month, as well as holding weekly shows in the two neighbouring regions (so, hitting each region twice a month as well). However, in the last couple of months my attednance has really fluctuated for my main shows. Since moving to the larger venue, I've had attendances of: 1,346 - C- show 1,721 - C- show 1,157 - C- show 1,530 - D show 955 - C+ show 1,414 - C show 962 - D+ show Is that normal for a company that's just bordering on the stage of filling the arena? The economy and business are B- and rising and all my shows raise my popularity, so I don't see why I might get 600 person swings in attendance from one show to the next. The only things that I can think of is opposing shows - but none of the US feds run against my shows. Otherwise, it could be a backlash from the Internet broadcast of my weekly small shows (which get middling E's, generally...) but even then I don't see why I'd get such big swings in attendance. I lost around 8k last month running six shows, which is okay for the popularity gains - but this month I've lost over twenty grand because of booking the 2k arena when on predicted attendances of 1,700 that have come up nowhere near. I don't remember this happening - as drastically, anyway - on 07, and the economy and business were both around E at the time I was at this point in my game. Can anyone suggest where I might go from here? Back to the 1k arena? Ride out the storm at the larger venue and hope that more popularity will actually equal bigger sales? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestleManiac Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Do you always Advance Book? I've noticed that effects attendance when I forget. That can be quite a significant differance as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swanton825 Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 The only thing I can think of is that you are overexposing your promotion in the regions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Its the advance book combined with the randomness of the AI probably. You are not over exposing as you are only running 2 shows a month per region and its not a steady decline. I would advise to stick too the 1.000 capacity stadium till the AI says expected attendence 2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitywpi Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Also, hope nobody bigger than you is holding a show in the same region on teh same night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Lyrium Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 [QUOTE=James Casey;482624] 1,346 - C- show [B]1,721 - C- show[/B] 1,157 - C- show 1,530 - D show 955 - C+ show 1,414 - C show [B]962 - D+ show[/B][/QUOTE] If you look at it from a show quality point of view, there's only really two anomalies (bolded). C- seems to be about the level they've come to expect from you, so why your second show should've drawn an extra 300 fans only to lose 600 next time when it was just as good, is weird. Did you advance-book a stonking match for that second show? The 955 isn't surprising at all, since the previous show was comparatively crap. But that show was awesome, so you re-gained the fans that got burned by the poor show. Why it went all the way back down again after a pretty solid C show is also a bit weird though, again presumably down to advance-booking? Using the above theory, I wouldn't hold out too much hope of breaking 1,000 fans next time out after that D+. They are all the same importance right? Small/Medium/etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxcutter Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 I've basically had the same problem with booking the AAA (which is currently at a regional level). I'm running two shows a month and thought that it might be an issue with over-exposure so I started fluctuating shows between my two main regions every 8 weeks or so. Here's a breakdown of the attendance and show ratings (I am advance-booking for all my shows): [LIST] [*][B]AAA Debutantes[/B] (Week 1, January 2011): C-/2000 [*][B]AAA Pretty Amazing[/B] (Week 4, January 2011): C-/1970 [*][B]AAA More Than Meets The Eye[/B] (Week 1, February 2011): C-/2000 [*][B]AAA My Bloody Valentine[/B] (Week 2, February 2011): C/1943 [*][B]AAA Girl on Girl Action[/B] (Week 1, March 2011): D/1000 (Moved From North West to Mid-West venue due to Popularity Drop in that region the month before) [*][B]AAA Women's History[/B] (Week 4, March 2011): D/1444 [*][B]AAA Not Just A Pretty Face[/B] (Week 1, April 2011): C/1956 [*][B]AAA Spring Reign[/B] (Week 4, April 2011 - Booked at smaller venue due to poor attendance estimate...which was really weird -- a drop in nearly 1000-seat sells from the previous month which, as you can see, rebounded the following month): C/1000 [*][B]AAA Girls Aloud[/B] (Week 1, May 2011): C/2000 [*][B]AAA A Ring and A Promise[/B] (Week 4, May 2011 - Booked in Mid-West due to weaker card and need to maintain popularity in the region): D+/407 [*][B]AAA Babe Blast[/B] (Week 1, June 2011): C+/2000 [/LIST] I think I'm the only one booking in the North West at the moment so I'm at a loss to explain the fluctuations. Even when the wrestling industry was in the tank (E-), the previous year, I could still bring in 2000 for a show, so I don't know what the current issue is with the fans in my area. *Shrugs* If anybody can find some correlation in the data, I'd be extremely grateful, as well (and, yes, I am using the latest patch). Foxcutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagitta Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 Even if there is no live show, could there be a TV show or PPV that's siphoning viewers (does TEW even factor this?)? IE, someone has the choice to watch MAW live or a SWF PPV, they sit home watching the SWF show instead of going out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxcutter Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 [QUOTE=Sagitta;482885]Even if there is no live show, could there be a TV show or PPV that's siphoning viewers (does TEW even factor this?)? IE, someone has the choice to watch MAW live or a SWF PPV, they sit home watching the SWF show instead of going out?[/QUOTE] I never thought about that. I wonder... Foxcutter. P. S. I am at war with BSC and I'll check to see if they've been doing some things to try to win fans away (I know they were unsuccessfully trying to steal my talent so maybe they've been doing creative things with their schedule). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitywpi Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 Well... it looks like you're getting a drop on your second show of the month in the same area. Looks like typical fan burnout to me. Other possibility: Other shows being held the same night. And don't forget the quality of a show doesn't translate to ticket sales for that show; If you have a Local promotion and (due to editing work) put on an A* show, you're not going to fill a 10,000 person venue. You'll just get a good boost in popularity and the -next- show might have more people. The ones buying tickets don't know how good it'll be ahead of time unless you advance-book the entire card, and even then they don't know if the two new guys will have great chemistry and steal the show (for instance). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoNeck Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 In '07, I'm prety sure that popular non-wrestling TV shows could steal viewers from your TV show. Maybe that's been expanded upon for '08? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Casey Posted August 20, 2008 Author Share Posted August 20, 2008 I could understand if running fortnightly shows had a continuous effect on my attendance but I'm not sure about it resetting at month end - seems unliekly. I know that there were no [I]live[/I] TV shows opposite any of mine in the US. Can't rule out pre-recorded ones. All the main shows are medium, two hour shows. I did wonder if prior show quality might have an effect - but D+/C- shows had seen my popualrity growing steadily and while it's possible the 2nd show listed (high attednance) was markedly worse than the first, causing the big drop in attendance for the third show... I don't see that a maximum 6% difference could be that influential. I always advance book, and while some shows get more popular matches booked than others, there's always at least one match with a high E/low D, which is about as good as I can offer right now. I think it's back to the 1k venue for the next few shows, at least until I get a predicted 2k sell-out. Thanks for all the help, guys - guess it's a combination of the above, and worker momentum may play a part as well. Hard getting anyone above a C at regional without having them dominate everyone and everything along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitywpi Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 [QUOTE=James Casey;483155]I could understand if running fortnightly shows had a continuous effect on my attendance but I'm not sure about it resetting at month end - seems unliekly.[/QUOTE] Well, resetting at the end of the month is how it used to work, and I can't find anything to say it changed... that's why so many dynasties set their major events for the begining of the month, more-or-less garunteeing the highest possible potential attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxcutter Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 [QUOTE=infinitywpi;483159]Well, resetting at the end of the month is how it used to work, and I can't find anything to say it changed... that's why so many dynasties set their major events for the begining of the month, more-or-less garunteeing the highest possible potential attendance.[/QUOTE] That would certainly seem to support the evidence at hand -- the end-of-the-month show seems to always suffer the attendance drop. Foxcutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Casey Posted August 20, 2008 Author Share Posted August 20, 2008 Huh. I never knew that. Learn something new every day, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 Hmm I just save my most popular area for the ppv also works as a charm. When you are cult you should have enough regions to be ablte to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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