Guest Ransik Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I'm very confused.... I'm on issue #39 and Doc Connors has caught Peter Parker in his lab trying to remove anything left on the bio-suit, which in this version of Spider-Man is the symbiote. Connors put 2 and 2 together and knows Parker is Spider-Man... and says he'll keep his secret because Parker knows he's The Lizard. They then show a flashback panel where Spider-Man is engaged with The Lizard. Now... I've read 1-39 and NOWHERE does Spider-Man battle The Lizard nor does he EVER mention it. So..... um.... could someone explain this if possible please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swanton825 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Ummm, continuity error? Maybe it happened, but wasn't shown before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ransik Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I was thinking that... but the series starts before he gets his powers. They make one mention in an issue of "an underground lizard" but that was it. Then about 10 issues later they're talking about something that never happened... very confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperOwens Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I have no idea about comic books at all. Aren't there loads of spider man comic series' Must be hard to know what's connected to which storyline/series... I liked the cartoon though :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitywpi Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 [QUOTE=Ransik;489226]I'm very confused.... I'm on issue #39 and Doc Connors has caught Peter Parker in his lab trying to remove anything left on the bio-suit, which in this version of Spider-Man is the symbiote. Connors put 2 and 2 together and knows Parker is Spider-Man... and says he'll keep his secret because Parker knows he's The Lizard. They then show a flashback panel where Spider-Man is engaged with The Lizard. Now... I've read 1-39 and NOWHERE does Spider-Man battle The Lizard nor does he EVER mention it. So..... um.... could someone explain this if possible please?[/QUOTE] Sure. It happened in that flashback panel you mentioned. Which is shorthand for "The writers want this to have happened in the past, but never actually devoted an issue to it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Yeah. Just like the fact that Bucky never actually died in the original Captain America Comics... They just made it up when they brought Cap back and gave it a flashback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 If it's not a mistake (cannon, thinking about another line, like... Spectacular Spiderman or something), then perhaps you will find what your looking for in here. October 2000: Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #1 - 'Powerless' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #1 (Dynamic Forces Cover) - 'Powerless' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #1 (Free Comic Book Day) - 'Powerless' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #1 (White Version) - 'Powerless' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #1 (Wizard Ace Edition) - 'Powerless' December 2000: Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #2 - 'Growing Pains' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #2 (Cover 2) - 'Growing Pains' January 2001: Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #3 - 'Wannabe' February 2001: Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #4 - 'With Great Power' March 2001: Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #5 - 'Life Lessons' April 2001: [B]Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) TPB vol. 01 Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #1 - 'Spider-Man & Wolverine' Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #1 (Mad Engine Variant) - 'Spider-Man & Wolverine'[/B]Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #6 - 'Big Time Super Hero!' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #6 (Niagara Falls Variant) - 'Big Time Super Hero!' May 2001: [B]Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #2 - 'Spider-Man & Hulk'[/B] Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #7 - 'Secret Identity' June 2001: [B]Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #3 - 'Spider-Man & Hulk' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #1 (K-B Reprint) - 'Powerless'[/B] Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #8 - 'Working Stiff' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #8 (Payless ShoeSource Variant) - 'Working Stiff' July 2001: [B]Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #4 - 'Spider-Man & Iron Man, Part 1'[/B] Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #9 - 'Meet the Enforcers' August 2001: [B]Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #5 - 'Spider-Man & Iron Man, Part 2'[/B] Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #10 - 'The Worst Thing' September 2001: [B]Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #6 - 'Spider-Man & The Punisher'[/B] Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #11 - 'Discovery' October 2001: [B]Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #7 - 'Spider-Man & The Punisher & Daredevil'[/B] Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #12 - 'Battle Royal' November 2001: [B]Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #8 - 'Spider-Man & The Punisher & Daredevil'[/B] Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #13 - 'Confessions' December 2001: [B]Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #9 - 'Spider-Man & Fantastic Four'[/B] Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #14 - 'Doctor Octopus' 2002: [B]The Best of Spider-Man (2002) HC vol. 01[/B] January 2002: [B]Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #10 - 'Spider-Man & The Man-Thing' Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #10 (Marvel Legends Reprint) - 'Spider-Man & The Man-Thing'[/B] Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #15 - 'Confrontations' February 2002: [B]Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #11 - 'Spider-Man & X-Men: Peter Parker's Day Off'[/B] Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) ½ - 'Wizard ½' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) ½ (Wizard World East Convention Exclusive) - 'Wizard ½' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #16 - 'Kraven the Hunter' March 2002: [B]Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #12 - 'Spider-Man & Doctor Strange' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) HC vol. 01[/B] Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #17 - 'Taking Advantage' April 2002: [B]Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #13 - 'Spider-Man & Doctor Strange'[/B] Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #18 - 'The Cycle' May 2002: [B]Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #14 - 'Spider-Man & Black Widow'[/B] Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #19 - 'Piece of Work' June 2002: [B]Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #15 - 'Spider-Man & Master of Kung-Fu' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) TPB vol. 01 - 'Power and Responsibility'[/B] Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #20 - 'Live' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #21 - 'Hunted' July 2002: [B]Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001) #16 - 'Spider-Man & Master of Kung-Fu' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) Special 1 - 'Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special'[/B] Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #22 - 'Reflections of...' August 2002: Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #23 - 'Responsible' September 2002: [B]Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) TPB vol. 02 - 'Learning Curve'[/B] Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #24 - 'Ultimatum' October 2002: Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #25 - 'Plasmids' November 2002: Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #26 - 'Circles' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #27 - 'Illegal' [B]Ultimate X-Men (2001) TPB vol. 07 - 'Blockbuster'[/B] December 2002: Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #28 - 'Sidetracked' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #29 - 'Stolen Identity' January 2003: Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #30 - 'Emergency' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #31 - 'Black Van' February 2003: Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #32 - 'Just A Guy' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #33 - 'Origins' March 2003: Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #34 - 'Inheritance' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #35 - 'Legacy' April 2003: Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #36 - 'Today' May 2003: Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #37 - 'Still' Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #38 - 'Father's Pride' June 2003: Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) #39 - 'Therapy' I bolded the ones that you might have missed (Might just be a special cover on some of them). Anyways, that's the cannon he's been in up to where you are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Aussie Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 The writers for Ultimate Spiderman changed during that time period I believe. That may be an explanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ransik Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Oy.... they never package the annuals and team-ups... this is why I stopped reading Amazing Spider-Man after #553 because they kept throwing out random issues and never explaining what went on. Ah well... hopefully they don't do it AS bad with Ultimate. Thanks DJ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 [QUOTE=G-Prime;489237]Yeah. Just like the fact that Bucky never actually died in the original Captain America Comics... They just made it up when they brought Cap back and gave it a flashback.[/QUOTE] I thought Bucky took up being Captain America after Cap's dissapearance? I know there were more then one, at any rate, that took up the mantle so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Aussie Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 [QUOTE=djthefunkchris;489252]I thought Bucky took up being Captain America after Cap's dissapearance? I know there were more then one, at any rate, that took up the mantle so to speak.[/QUOTE] IThe second Captain America is the man known as US Agent. I also remember a What If story with Frank Castle as Cap but a much more brutal and unstable version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitywpi Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 [QUOTE=The Aussie;489243]The writers for Ultimate Spiderman changed during that time period I believe. That may be an explanation[/QUOTE] Huh. Pretty sure Bendis wrote all of USM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Aussie Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 [QUOTE=infinitywpi;489260]Huh. Pretty sure Bendis wrote all of USM...[/QUOTE] Turns out I was wrong. I now do not have and idea about the lapse in continuity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe Hunter Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 [QUOTE=The Aussie;489243]The writers for Ultimate Spiderman changed during that time period I believe. That may be an explanation[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=infinitywpi;489260]Huh. Pretty sure Bendis wrote all of USM...[/QUOTE] Yeah, Bendis and Bagley broke Lee & Kirby's record for longest consecutive run as writer & artist on any series of comics. They teamed from #1 to #110. Bendis is still the writer now, with a new artist on board. [QUOTE=djthefunkchris;489252]I thought Bucky took up being Captain America after Cap's dissapearance? I know there were more then one, at any rate, that took up the mantle so to speak.[/QUOTE] Bucky is the current Captain America. I don't know so much about Cap's past, but there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 'Thou shalt not bring back Bucky or Uncle Ben' was the one rule at Marvel, after they did the big retcon when Cap thawed out. Brubaker hated the fact that Bucky only got killed off in the flashback, and decided that if he ever got to work on Cap, the first thing he'd do would be to bring him back... And he did, in what is probably the best run I've ever seen on a comic book. When Cap died, Bucky took up the mantle at Nick Fury's request (off the top of my head... I'm not sure, and the book's not in front of me.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 [QUOTE=Moe Hunter;489262]Bucky is the current Captain America. I don't know so much about Cap's past, but there's that.[/QUOTE] I've read a ton of stuff (wikki types), so I might be wrong. Here is a couple things that keep popping into my head about it though. Take into consideration my loss of notes, although I am gradually finding them... However, the websights and all I had in favorites I have not recovered, so here is a rundown on what I can remember. Captain America was frozen/thought dead, and Bucky takes over for him... this is during war times. Something happens with Bucky as well, and I believe similar. So US Agent (or someone similar.... Another Patriat type) takes over as Captain America. Later still, the Avengers (or perhaps another organisation) finds Cap, frozen, and bring him back, he becomes Captain America again... although many years have past, in what he would have considered a night. He just wakes up, and is still 30 or so years old, although he should be 20 or 30 years older. This is how they kept him so long. Bucky however, it happens, comes back later as well, and becomes another patriot type. After Cap's death, I guess Bucky takes over the mantle again. Quite a bit is non-Cannonical though. For comicbook history though, Captain America (as a hero) was active throughout all this time in some form or another... Although I believe Cannonical, this is NOT the case (far as current Continuity in Universe 616 (or whatever its called). The "Main" continuity. Spiderman was revived, after seemingly dieing as well. He goes under a bridge, makes a cocoon (all this happens by sheer instinct), comes back renewed as if he were in his prime again.... I don't know which universe off the top of my head. Of course, the other thing with Spidey, is after Civil War, he makes some kind of deal, and gets back as if no one knows who he is again, but this also seperates him and Mary Jane, as if they never married. Right now, I think Ransik has the right idea, if you want to read Marvel. Get into an Ultimate hero. Although their cannon isn't "perfect", it's no where near as bad as the mess with the Main Universe. I believe that's there "Fix" for it anyways. I can dig into DC better (canonical), because of the re-boot, and how easy everything falls into place for me. Mainly because it's kind of how I always pictured it anyways. Doesn't mean its not goofy though, plenty of messy stuff there as well.. I just like the way they rebooted the whole Superman/Batman/Wonderwoman line mainly. To keep them younger, Superman and Wonderwoman were just not around back then... Superman is bassically the superman II guy, still.... Born around 1954, and heading into his 40's right now. Wonderwoman is fresh, as her mother was the first Wonderwoman (the one most would be familiar with). This is all just rewritten, not how it actually went. Dianna is the "New" wonderwoman, and Troi being her twin. Wondergirl is a regular girl that was blessed by the gods. BATMAN is the one I like the most. They just dipped him into the pit, and "POOF", he's back to his prime... the oldest of the "Trio". It does make sense though, if you know why, how, etc. Anyways, back on Ultimates. I see they are going to go with the Ultimates version of Nick Fury for the movies. I like that quite a bit, but I miss the old one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ransik Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 "Amazing" is the universe in which Spider-Man goes into the cocoon... but what PISSED me off is that when he was beaten mercilessly and "dies" as well as goes into the cocoon.... is not in Amazing... it was in one of the other hashed versions to make people spend more money on the comics... which is why Marvel slumped in sales in the late 90s from what I read... too much jumping around. He had his eye ripped from his socket at the end of an issue... than POOF he's alive in the next issue and everyone is crying over a corpse and you have NO idea what's going on! What they did with Maximum Carnage REALLY got me mad... 14 parts separated between 4 different comic series... they did that with about 10 or 11 series in Spider-Man JUST to sell the "other comics" no one really cared about. And yes... when they went with the "Brand New Day" storyline last year... they lost a fan in me. 2 new writers came in... hated what Spider-Man was... and decided they were going to "fix it." So.... they took Spider-Man.... who NEVER killed another living being by his own hand... who NEVER purposefully did anything evil.... they had him make a deal with Satan to save May. Now follow me... he sacrificed his marriage.... to save his 80 year old Aunt from dying... who had already been "dead" for several years at one point during the comic. So basically... the new writers for Amazing Spider-Man are clueless buffoons who have ruined the comic and have turned away TONS of faithful fans... a lot who had followed it for decades. I myself never wanted to get into Ultimate Spider-Man... until I caught up to the "Brand New Day" deal... then I decided I wanted nothing to do with "Amazing" anymore. Ultimate Spider-Man is easily THE BEST of all Spider-Man series. I did read in one universe after Parker retired as Spider-Man... Green Goblin defeated him to the point of where he blew off one of Peter's legs and Mr. Fantastic had to build him a cyborg leg.... I believe this is in the Spider-Girl series but I haven't looked into that one yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberkitten01 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 [QUOTE=Ransik;489226]I'm very confused.... Now... I've read 1-39 and NOWHERE does Spider-Man battle The Lizard nor does he EVER mention it.[/QUOTE] I noticed that when I first read Ultimate Spidey (which is amazing by the way), and I think it's from like Annual #1 or something, but other than the fact we've missed out on seeing the fight, everything else is groovy. I've never had a "Huh?" moment like that in Ultimate Spidey since As for Cap, I recently finished reading all of Ed Brubaker's Captain America comics and they are amaaaaaazing. I've always liked Cap as a character, but never enough that I'd buy his comic. I read Death of Cap and it was so amazing I went back and bought the 4 Cap tpb's and the Civil War Cap book, amazing I tell's ye. In this both and Cap and Bucky were lost in the explosion, and A.I.M or HYDRA were looking for Cap's body and found Bucky instead, missing an arm. They took him home, built him a robot arm and reprogrammed him. He ended up in the possession of the Russians, and they kept him in suspended animation, thawing him out to assissinate key figures and then put him back into stasis, hence why Bucky is still young-ish. It's a heart-breaking story. After they disappeared in the War, they knew it would be a huge blow to morale, so they got two other guys to play Cap and Bucky but without getting the comic out I can't remember their names. Bucky mentions that the kid they got to play him was about 14 at the time, while Bucky himself would have been 18, but they were symbols and that's what America needed. After Cap died, which no spoilers from me is reeeeally heart-breaking, Iron Man was looking for a new Captain America and chose Clint Barton, the recently not-dead Hawkeye. Hawkeye gave it a go and then told Tony where to shove it and defected to the New Avengers, the ones on the run from the Superhuman Registration Act. Bucky wouldn't stand for anyone being Captain America, there was only one Steve Rogers. As was mentioned earlier in the topic, Nick Fury managed to convince Bucky that he had to step up. 'Course Cap never had to use guns, but as Bucky pointed out he didn't have the luxury of the Super Soldier Serum I love comics :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 [QUOTE=Ransik;489283] I did read in one universe after Parker retired as Spider-Man... Green Goblin defeated him to the point of where he blew off one of Peter's legs and Mr. Fantastic had to build him a cyborg leg.... I believe this is in the Spider-Girl series but I haven't looked into that one yet.[/QUOTE] If so, I believe that is called MC-2. It's how they see the world some 20 something years from now (when it started anyways). With his daughter taking over his place, and Wolverine's daughter "Wild Child". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberkitten01 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I've read the first few issues of Spider-Girl. It's pretty cool for a Youth comic :) The best Youth comic is RUNAWAYS :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe Hunter Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I don't know what it is about Runaways. Every issue I've seen looks horrible. Maybe I've been unlucky and they usually have a competent artist, but I can't stand to look through the issues I've seen let alone read them. I dig the concept of them all being kids of villains and rejecting their ways, but comics are by nature an aesthetic, and what I've seen of the series turns me right away. I've caught a fair amount of Young Avengers since Civil War, I'm sold on them as a team. The Initiative is awesome, I really wanna know what the hell happened to War Machine! Has anyone else read Civil War: The Confession? Really powerful issue, and puts the very much needed cap on the whole CW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberkitten01 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 [QUOTE=Moe Hunter;489332]I don't know what it is about Runaways. Every issue I've seen looks horrible. Maybe I've been unlucky and they usually have a competent artist, but I can't stand to look through the issues I've seen let alone read them. I dig the concept of them all being kids of villains and rejecting their ways, but comics are by nature an aesthetic, and what I've seen of the series turns me right away.[/QUOTE] I guess it's personal taste as I loved the artwork for Runaways. There was an issue where Captain America and Wolverine turned up to put them into foster homes, and they both looked retarded... but everything else was beautiful [QUOTE=Moe Hunter;489332]I've caught a fair amount of Young Avengers since Civil War, I'm sold on them as a team. The Initiative is awesome, I really wanna know what the hell happened to War Machine![/QUOTE] I've only read Civil War: Young Avengers/Runaways, but YA seemed like a really good team, I'd quite happily read more of them The Initiative though, OH MY GOD. Some of the best comics I've read, what an amazing series. [QUOTE=Moe Hunter;489332]Has anyone else read Civil War: The Confession? Really powerful issue, and puts the very much needed cap on the whole CW.[/QUOTE] Was that in Civil War: Frontlines? Or a different tpb perhaps? As the last issue of Frontlines where Ben Urich and.. that lady reporter.. confront Tony and basically shows the really REAL reason the Civil War happened. It's so sad :( I don't hate Tony at all because of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I was a huge Iron Man mark as a kid, but even I hate him now. Damn fascist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Aussie Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Runaways is a pretty solid comic from the majority of what I've read. Although my favourite Marvel comic is a two way tie between X-Factor and Generation X. Absolutely feel that Gen X was cut way too short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberkitten01 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 [QUOTE=G-Prime;489348]I was a huge Iron Man mark as a kid, but even I hate him now. Damn fascist.[/QUOTE] If you read all the Civil War, especially Civil War: Iron Man and Civil War: Frontlines... you won't hate Iron Man. You'll f'n worship him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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