Mick Foley Announcement today concerning TNA

[mike b]

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[AfRoMaN36]

As an E fan and a massive Foley mark.... I'm sad. Do I feel a bit betrayed? yes. Do I feel like over the last few years he's acted like a bit of a child at times when he didn't get his way? Yes. (He's even admitted to it) However, will I move on? Yes. Business is business and Foley made a decision. Like Gail Kim going to the E only you won't hear me calling for his head. I will miss him though.... for the 6 months he's gone.

[SuperOwens]

I know what you mean Afro. I sometimes get the impression that its all gone to Foley's head a bit. Like when he used to call himself the hardcore legend you know it was a little bit in jest. Now days i see him in interviews and things he's written and the old 'screw ball' Foley seems to be replaced with somebody who really belives he is own hype. Dunno, maybe its just me...

[Nevermore]

[QUOTE=AfRoMaN36;490546]I will miss him though.... for the 6 months he's gone.[/QUOTE] Would Vince have him back after this? He often does what's good for business but let's not forget that this is the guy who has made some monumentally bad decisions based on what he believes. For instance, he didn't give RVD a shot at the strap during the Invasion angle when he was over as hell... a feud between him and Austin would have been money in the bank! He destroyed Booker's WCW legacy with a single line and cut Goldberg when he was more over than Trips. I'm not sure if Vince will forgive him easy. Quote The Raven Nevermore

[scorpion]

According to PWInsider its only a short term deal.

[AfRoMaN36]

[QUOTE=Nevermore;490553]Would Vince have him back after this? He often does what's good for business but let's not forget that this is the guy who has made some monumentally bad decisions based on what he believes. For instance, he didn't give RVD a shot at the strap during the Invasion angle when he was over as hell... a feud between him and Austin would have been money in the bank! He destroyed Booker's WCW legacy with a single line and cut Goldberg when he was more over than Trips. I'm not sure if Vince will forgive him easy. Quote The Raven Nevermore[/QUOTE] Very true, but Bill Goldberg, RVD and Booker T were never close friends of his and never helped him build his empire. In fact, all three were in promotions were they wanted nothing but to see Vince burn. But Vince IS a forgiving man if you're the right person. He excused the inexplicable Steve Austin walk out a mere 9 months after it happened. He forgave SABLE of all people and nearly resigned Brock Lesnar at one point. (Though if he did, I would have lost all respect for him) He's excused Hulk Hogan time after time after time. Hell, the two have been on and off more then Ross and Rachel. And this isn't the first time Mick Foley has thrown a hissy fit after not getting his way. Yet every time Mick Foley wants to come back, Vince let's him back in. And TNA may be seen as the match that burns a bridge, but it's not WCW. The Jarrets are not The Turners and TNA has never gotten anywhere near ending the existence of his company. So on my opinion alone, have we seen the last of Mick Foley in the WWE? Absolutely not.

[Nevermore]

A fair call! We'll see before too long, I'm sure. Quote The Raven Nevermore

[shamelessposer]

[QUOTE=AfRoMaN36;490546]As an E fan and a massive Foley mark.... I'm sad. Do I feel a bit betrayed? yes. Do I feel like over the last few years he's acted like a bit of a child at times when he didn't get his way? Yes. (He's even admitted to it) However, will I move on? Yes. Business is business and Foley made a decision. Like Gail Kim going to the E only you won't hear me calling for his head. I will miss him though.... for the 6 months he's gone.[/QUOTE] Don't really understand the betrayal aspect. His announcing style was one thing, Vince wanted him to be something different, and Foley wasn't going to budge. To me it looks like creative differences and personal integrity.

[scorpion]

[QUOTE=AfRoMaN36;490558]Very true, but Bill Goldberg, RVD and Booker T were never close friends of his and never helped him build his empire. In fact, all three were in promotions were they wanted nothing but to see Vince burn. But Vince IS a forgiving man if you're the right person. He excused the inexplicable Steve Austin walk out a mere 9 months after it happened. He forgave SABLE of all people and nearly resigned Brock Lesnar at one point. (Though if he did, I would have lost all respect for him) He's excused Hulk Hogan time after time after time. Hell, the two have been on and off more then Ross and Rachel. And this isn't the first time Mick Foley has thrown a hissy fit after not getting his way. Yet every time Mick Foley wants to come back, Vince let's him back in. And TNA may be seen as the match that burns a bridge, but it's not WCW. The Jarrets are not The Turners and TNA has never gotten anywhere near ending the existence of his company. So on my opinion alone, have we seen the last of Mick Foley in the WWE? Absolutely not.[/QUOTE] Actually, Vince has never shown himself to be very forgiving. He may bring people back, but they eventually pay for what he sees as a betrayal. Mick Foley himself mentioned that since he had agreed to go to TNA the first time and changed his mind, Vince had treated him differently.

[Guest Ransik]

You know it's funny... people call me a TNA mark and I'm seeing a lot of very biased WWE fans here when it comes to Foley. If Samoa Joe were run into the waiting arms of Vince McMahon those people would sit there and claim Vince would take Joe "to the next level" but if someone leaves the WWE for TNA.... it's betrayal. Honestly... kinda makes me sick. Foley isn't even a wrestler... he didn't start and end his career with the WWE... and he sure as heck was known in the wrestling world BEFORE he went there. Mick was being used as a second string commentator on Smackdown... he obviously had issues with hos he was being told to commentate... so who cares if he left? No one whined when he left WCW for being a "jobber to the stars" so does it REALLY matter that he's not announcing Smackdown anymore when half the country can't even watchthe show to begin with and LESS will be able to when it switches networks? Let's set a few things down about Foley. Mick Foley does not need to work for the WWE anymore. He is financially set for life from his wrestling career and his books. And you know what? Foley SHOULD toot his own horn... he gave so much of his life and body to the WWE that if they can't even let him sit at the announce desk the way he wants to... they have ZERO business having him there and should be ashamed of themselves.... they pushed Joey Styles and Mick Foley off the desk in under a year's time... they don't deserve to have Foley around. Mick spent his whole career being the modest guy... the guy has been retired for what.... 6 years now? So if he wants to walk because Vince would let him ad-lib for years as an active wrestler in crucial and top angles... but wouldn't let the guy call a match correctly.... too bad! They moved Tazz back to Smackdown and now they have 2 guys with horrid mic ability running the ECW desk... they didn't want to play ball with the talented announcers... so they get what they get... end of story! And before the usual suspects parade around their childish "anti-WWE" BS.... I loved Foley on the Smackdown announce desk.... LOVED IT. Only reason I stopped watching Smackdown is because I moved and I don't get it where I live now. But from what I read.... they didn't want Foley to do his job in a way he felt comfortable doing it. If YOUR bosses told you the only way to keep your job was to put on a tutu as a job uniform and wear lipstick in every day... would you do it JUST because they gave you a break when you needed it? NO! You'd be uncomfortable doing your job and you would tell them to bend to your ways or you'd leave. EVERY last person on this message board over the age of 18 has done it... and not a single one of you can say you haven't; Your boss tells you to do your job a certain way even though you KNOW you can do a better job at it than their lazy behinds. You KNOW if you do the job their way the results will be worse.... and you tell them flat out... "I do the job my way or I walk." Sometimes they bend... other times you have to leave. We've ALL been there.

[Guest Ransik]

[QUOTE=scorpion;490575]Actually, Vince has never shown himself to be very forgiving. He may bring people back, but they eventually pay for what he sees as a betrayal. Mick Foley himself mentioned that since he had agreed to go to TNA the first time and changed his mind, Vince had treated him differently.[/QUOTE] And honestly... I've always felt people like that to be close-minded and childish. I can certainly understand McMahon feeling betrayed because someone he invested in left for another company. I can certainly understand it when he was friend's with that particular person. How ever the WWE doesn't cater to the employee who likes to do the job the way they feel comfortable from janitor to World Champion... an employer who doesn't work WITH the employees has no reason to complain if an employee leaves for the competition. They should be asking themselves WHY that person left and if they can do anything to make sure no one follows suit. Think about it.... if you walk out of a 6 figure job (WCW) to go to a 5 figure job (WWF) and people praise you for it (obvious Foley example) than WHY would those same people years later complain when the same guy leaves an announce desk for what was easily not a high-paying position to go to another company where because of his influence and reputation he COULD actually spark life and make wrestling as a whole more competitive? Or do you as fans not want this because the almighty WWE would have to own up to that like every other wrestling company (and yes this includes TNA) that their way of thinking can get so clouded that just end up losing a ton of talent because they think EVERYTHING has to be done one certain way? Yeah... long 2 rants... but a couple of these posts (not yours Scoprion, just used the quote as a base) make me as a wrestler and a fan PISSED at how juvenile some people are being. Boo hoo... Mick earned his spot in this business.... he can do what ever the hell he wants!

[SuperOwens]

I'm not annoyed that Foley is going to TNA, the man was a hero of mine at one point and can do whatever he wants, well as long as its not wrestling full-time. But i do think he's lost that special something that made me really connect with him in the first place. Dont get me wrong, i still like the guy, still think he's comedy gold. I just think that the humble likeable down to earth quality that endeared him to so many people is on the wane slightly. I have discussed this with one of my best pals, we used to watch wrestling together every week and were massive Foley marks. He feels the same way. So i know its just not me.

[Nevermore]

[QUOTE=Ransik;490580]Boo hoo... Mick earned his spot in this business.... he can do what ever the hell he wants![/QUOTE] Two things. First off who [I]ever[/I] said he couldn't "do what he wants"? If you are going to be in an argument, at least pay attention to what others are saying and make your argument based upon theirs rather than prescribing a fictional viewpoint you wish to contest. Someone who gets in as many arguments as you surely could have developed that courtesy. ...and second: that quote comes from the man previously casting such unfounded, undoubtedly ignorant aspersions in the Gail Kim thread? "Hello kettle, this is pot... over" :rolleyes: Quote The Raven Nevermore

[mike b]

Also TNA Had this pic on their web site [url]http://www.tnawrestling.com/[/url]

[cappyboy]

[QUOTE=Ransik;490577] EVERY last person on this message board over the age of 18 has done it... and not a single one of you can say you haven't; Your boss tells you to do your job a certain way even though you KNOW you can do a better job at it than their lazy behinds. You KNOW if you do the job their way the results will be worse.... and you tell them flat out... "I do the job my way or I walk." Sometimes they bend... other times you have to leave. We've ALL been there.[/QUOTE] Actually, yes I can say I've never done this. I've been let go because I couldn't communicate with an assistant manager who had a deep voice and thought she could give me instructions from any old direction. Whether I could hear her or her voice was going away from me, if I failed to do as she said it was my fault. I've been lied to in training and been told they wanted me doing X and the real expectations were Y and been fired for doing as I'd be told in training. I've been let go because of a store closing and for not being able to make sense of how another store had their registers programmed. But I've never had to face lazy management and had to my way or the highway them. The managers I'd had have always worked. Not always very well but they've worked. So I guess I've been lucky in that regard.

[Guest Ransik]

[QUOTE=Nevermore;490591]Two things. First off who [I]ever[/I] said he couldn't "do what he wants"? If you are going to be in an argument, at least pay attention to what others are saying and make your argument based upon theirs rather than prescribing a fictional viewpoint you wish to contest. Someone who gets in as many arguments as you surely could have developed that courtesy. ...and second: that quote comes from the man previously casting such unfounded, undoubtedly ignorant aspersions in the Gail Kim thread? "Hello kettle, this is pot... over" :rolleyes: Quote The Raven Nevermore[/QUOTE] Gail left TNA for a bigger paycheck... two different situations and 2 different reasons. I'm quite aware of the argument.

[Nevermore]

[QUOTE=Ransik;490617]Gail left TNA for a bigger paycheck... two different situations and 2 different reasons. I'm quite aware of the argument.[/QUOTE] Oh I see... So, it's alright to have principles so long as one of them isn't being able to afford to support yourself or your family. Pride is acceptable but ambition isn't, correct? Quote The Raven Nevermore

[Guest Ransik]

[QUOTE=Nevermore;490620]Oh I see... So, it's alright to have principles so long as one of them isn't being able to afford to support yourself or your family. Pride is acceptable but ambition isn't, correct? Quote The Raven Nevermore[/QUOTE] That's not the issue... you know it isn't. We all went over this before. Gail stated when she first got to TNA (and not on TNA television) that as long as she could have the passion of the business she didn't care what she was paid. She threw a fit to TNA management because she wasn't getting paid WWE money... so she went back to the WWE where she was miserable and quit to join to TNA. There's no logic in that... which is why I'm happy I won't see Gail on my TV again. Makes her a hypocrite... has nothing to do with feeding her family.

[Nevermore]

[QUOTE=Ransik;490623]That's not the issue... you know it isn't. We all went over this before. Gail stated when she first got to TNA (and not on TNA television) that as long as she could have the passion of the business she didn't care what she was paid. She threw a fit to TNA management because she wasn't getting paid WWE money... so she went back to the WWE where she was miserable and quit to join to TNA. There's no logic in that... which is why I'm happy I won't see Gail on my TV again. Makes her a hypocrite... has nothing to do with feeding her family.[/QUOTE] [LIST=1] [*]She didn't go to TNA. Her contract came up; she was low-balled. You should probably be clear on that. [*]Who says it's even about money? It could be due to greater exposure, particularly seeing as she felt insulted by TNA's contract offer, which by the way Dixie Carter has now backed up as being ridiculous. [*]Foley has said on numerous occasions that WWE is "his company". Does this maker him a hypocrite or is life not so black and white as you're making out? Are people allowed to change their minds? [*]If Mick is allowed to "do what he wants" and not become a heretic in your mind, then why isn't that opportunity afforded to others? Could it be perchance because they hold a different view point to you? [/LIST] I hope you're 100% confident in these ideals of yours because someone so righteous and judgemental could leave themselves open to a rude awakening. Quote The Raven Nevermore

[djthefunkchris]

[QUOTE=Ransik;490623]That's not the issue... you know it isn't. We all went over this before. Gail stated when she first got to TNA (and not on TNA television) that as long as she could have the passion of the business she didn't care what she was paid. She threw a fit to TNA management because she wasn't getting paid WWE money... so she went back to the WWE where she was miserable and quit to join to TNA. There's no logic in that... which is why I'm happy I won't see Gail on my TV again. Makes her a hypocrite... has nothing to do with feeding her family.[/QUOTE] The issue with Kim is that they offered her less then they were paying her. The issue with Foley is that he didn't get his way. I for one, like Kim's reaction better, even though I like Mic Foley more. All of this actually depends on how accurate the stories even are. Gail Kim might not even leave TNA, as they are already talking to her. This "Offer" she got might have just been a mistake (A doozy, but still a mistake). Essentially, your working for a company and making lets say $20.00 an hour. Your ready to negotiate better pay, and they offer you $19.50. WWE says "WHAT? Come over here, we'll be happy to pay you $60. That's the sort of choice she had. How anyone can jump on her for this is silly. I would have done the same thing. "Ok, if that's how you really feel about me, I better move on."

[shamelessposer]

Wow. Ransik, do you have any idea how you sound? Nothing you've posted to the thread thus far makes any sense. There are only a couple of other excuses for why you feel the way you do, and in all honesty none of them reflect well on you.

[Guest Ransik]

Yeah yeah.... everyone says the same exact thing to me every time. Gail was low balled by someone who had no clue what they were doing? Great... she could've gone straight to Carter... she could've gone to Jarrett. And yes DJ.... three times the pay for 3 times the workload... the reason she left in the first place on top of not being able to wrestle as anything but a green rookie. At my previous job... the store manager had a set income of $30,000 a year whether she worked 40 hours a week or 90 hours a week. Averaged out... with the hours I worked and the hours she worked... I made more an hour than she did. I would work 30 hours a week for $7.50 an hour.... she would work over 80 hours a week and averaged out over her salary over the course of the year she made over $2 an hour less than I did... worth it? Hardly. If on an hourly wage I worked as much as she did... I would've made more in the year than her. You're comparing apples to oranges. Yeah... Gail got a contract offer from WWE for 3 times the amount for 3 times the workload and hundreds... maybe a couple thousand hours of extra travel she wouldn't have with TNA. All boiled down... she might make just as much working for WWE after hotels, rental cars and everything else because of that extra travelling. We've been through the ringer a hundred times with all this... everyone looks it one-dimensionally and does a cut and paste job on why I'm wrong every time. Gail makes about a hundred grand a year in TNA to work a very light workload compared to WWE... and WWE offers her 3 times TNA's amount to work 300 plus days a year. But no one brought that up into the conversation did they?

[djthefunkchris]

[QUOTE=Ransik;490642]Yeah yeah.... everyone says the same exact thing to me every time. Gail was low balled by someone who had no clue what they were doing? Great... she could've gone straight to Carter... she could've gone to Jarrett. And yes DJ.... three times the pay for 3 times the workload... the reason she left in the first place on top of not being able to wrestle as anything but a green rookie. At my previous job... the store manager had a set income of $30,000 a year whether she worked 40 hours a week or 90 hours a week. Averaged out... with the hours I worked and the hours she worked... I made more an hour than she did. I would work 30 hours a week for $7.50 an hour.... she would work over 80 hours a week and averaged out over her salary over the course of the year she made over $2 an hour less than I did... worth it? Hardly. If on an hourly wage I worked as much as she did... I would've made more in the year than her. You're comparing apples to oranges. Yeah... Gail got a contract offer from WWE for 3 times the amount for 3 times the workload and hundreds... maybe a couple thousand hours of extra travel she wouldn't have with TNA. All boiled down... she might make just as much working for WWE after hotels, rental cars and everything else because of that extra travelling. We've been through the ringer a hundred times with all this... everyone looks it one-dimensionally and does a cut and paste job on why I'm wrong every time. Gail makes about a hundred grand a year in TNA to work a very light workload compared to WWE... and WWE offers her 3 times TNA's amount to work 300 plus days a year. But no one brought that up into the conversation did they?[/QUOTE] What is your point there though. The point I was making was what she was offered, compared to what she made before. This was a slap in the face (In my opinion), and she should have took it as such. She did go to Dixie Carter, and Dixie aggreed with her. This stuff hasn't been ongoing for weeks, it's all happening right now. She hasn't signed anything yet, from what I understand. Right now, they are trying to make things right. Honestly, I don't even think Gail is going to WWE, at this point. This was a "MISTAKE" on TNA's part (which has been already admitted to). Yet you would like to blame Gail?

[fatallylost]

One thing I'm not seeing anyone mention, especially since Ransik seems to know everyone's intentions is... what if she's also changed her mind about things? About what SHE wants, and how HER life goes? Not to mention, she hasn't actually signed yet.. you might want to backtrack slightly. Now, I'd like to point out, I don't actually give two ****s about either of them going anywhere. Why? Because, just like who the next American Idol is, what was that all about on The Hills.... that BS doesn't matter, and will not EVER matter in my life. I would love to see certain match ups, but, also, considering all things, it doesn't matter. Nothing in the wrestling world, TNA, WWE, Dragon Gate, Ring of Honor, wherever.. it'll never be how any of the internet wrestling writers will ever be. Why? Because not one of us knows 10% of how things really are. The only real items you can count on, are injuries, and who's leaving to work where. Sure, you can hear people say so-and-so is a bastard, etc. But, how do you know?

[Tempest Kane]

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