Could someone please explain this? =D

[The Shape]

I know I've made a fair few threads like this in my time, but seriously... Show 1: [QUOTE][SIZE="1"]Pre-Show: Joe Sexy over Toby Parker (Steven Parker) - C+ Steve Flash and Valiant over Ace (Davis Wayne) Newton and J.P. Jackson (James Prudence) - D+ Emma Chase reveals Eric Eisen as the "poison" to face Jack Bruce - B+ Main Show: [B]Jack Bruce over Eric Eisen - C+[/B] Faith and Enygma talk backstage - B+ [B]Marc DuBois over Greg Rayne - D+[/B] DuBois taunts Bart Biggz - C+ Jack Bruce and High Concept talk backstage - B+ [B]The Amazing Bumfholes over Death Row to retain the gold - D[/B] Bruce, Huntingdon, FAG and Frehley in a backstage seg - B [B]Squeeky over Giedroyc - C Enygma over Train via DQ - C+[/B] Faith comes to Enygma's aid - B Bruce reveals his poison as Enforcer Roberts (face turn) - B+ [B]Brandon James over Enforcer Roberts - B+[/B][/SIZE][/QUOTE] Overall Rating: B+ Show 2: [QUOTE][SIZE="1"]Pre-Show: Valiant and Chris Caulfield over Ace Newton and J.P. Jackson - C- Remo over Greg Rayne - C Steve Flash over Paul Huntingdon - D+ Main Show: Video recap of Faith/Vengeance/Enygma story so far - B+ [B]Christian Faith over Joe Sexy - B[/B] Enygma issues Faith a challenge; he accepts - C+ [B]High Concept over The Samoan Wildboyz and Death Row - C-[/B] Enforcer Roberts assaulted by Eric Eisen, Brandon James & Runaway Train - B+ [B]Rich Money over Robbie Retro - B-[/B] Giedroyc challenges Money; he accepts (with a catch) - B- [B]Bart Biggz over FAG to retain the Shooting Star title thanks to DuBois - C-[/B] DuBois says nobody gets a shot until it's back around his waist - C Eisen says Roberts can't compete so main event will be a handi-LOBBY IS BACK! [B]Jack Bruce, Steve Frehley & Lobster Warrior over Brandon James, Eric Eisen & Runaway Train - B[/B] Faces stand tall as the show comes to a close - B+[/SIZE][/QUOTE] Overall Rating: B- The matches constitued about 70% of each show, and very few segments were over five minutes (Lobby's return and Roberts' face turn were, as I think was Enygma's challenge...that's all I can think of on either show. No matter what way I look at it I can't fathom this one out. The first rating I was delighted with, the second show without doubt disappointed (I'd have been a little miffed by a B after the way prior ratings had gone compared to those on this show). The only thing the first show had that was better was the main event's rating, helped by their great chemistry. Both main events went around 15 minutes and given how dodgy tag matches usually are I was chuffed the second show's main event didn't bomb...but the smile soon faded away. I'll carry on and whatnot and see how the PPV goes, this is just a matter of interest as I can't figure out how I'm reading it wrong xD

[shamelessposer]

The system is weighted in such a way that the last two matches determine a huge portion of the show's overall ratings. The first show had a much stronger semi-main, and that could have been enough to tilt the show up to a B.

[The Shape]

Hmm. But two ratings higher when the rest of the card, all round, was far stronger and more consistent? I don't think that tilting works in theory anyway...there's usually something else between the two biggest matches, and often they occur at different points in the show. Besides in both cases the main events were preceded by highly rated segs that should have played a part in strengthening the tail end of the show as well.

[djthefunkchris]

To guess, I would say the first show was put together better, far as "Perfect Show" goes. You start out with a bigger bang (from the Pre-Show, the people are probably more hyped up). On the second show, you kind of brought them down right off the bat before the show began, but still brought out a high rated match as the first segment. If there is anything to this.. I kind of doubt this is what mattered though. Looking at the first show, you constantly bring them UP. Then it's brought down, and slowly built back up again. This is "Perfect Show" type actions. No where did you slowly bring them down in the first show. The Second show starts out great, but then you slowly bring it down. Great again, then slowly bring it down. The last four segments look perfect to me, it's the first three, then right after it, those four (going down from B+ to C-). The way I understand it, your shows should go : D, C-, C, B etc... not the other way B+, B-, C-. So bassically, I think you could have had a total different rating if the segments went in this order (segment order), 4, 3, 2, 1, 8, 7 or 6, 6 or 7, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11. You see how on the first show your building it up constantly, then one bad segment, but you lift them up again, then another bad seg, as you build them up again. If flows better. When I DJ, I play music with beats that constantly go up (get faster), so that the mood always seems to be getting more and more exciting. Then after an hour (that's my way, some use 45 minutes, 30 minutes, etc), I'll bring it down (play a slow song). Although I'm bringing the excitement level down, some people (quite a few ussually) are more then ready for it. Then I start over, bringing the tempo back up.. No matter where I start (90BPM, 100BPM, 110BPM, or Booty 120BPM+) I keep the tempo going faster. This is a trick I've used for years, and has worked everytime. SO I use this same reasoning for TEW, and it seems to work. The first show you did is JUST LIKE that. Your constantly bringing the mood and excitement higher and higher, then give them a break. Over and over. The first show is like going from "Give me that Honey Love" to "Ain't nothin but a G' Thang Baby" to "Ouchie couchie La la la" to "Brown, the brand new brotha in town 'Doo Doo Brown" then to "Oooh, baby, When I get that feelin', I want Sexual Healing" as you start over again. On the second show, it's like going from "Don't stop, get it get it!" to "Carribean Queen" to "Annie, She don't wear no Panties" bassically bringing the tempo down, and the mood will get a bit edgy. (FIGHT AT THE CLUB!). Anyways, that's my point of view when thinking of the Perfect show. I think it's the same way to do Movies, Music, any variety show, etc.. Just seems that this works the best. Start off with a bang, bring it up in the middle, and when they think they have seen the best it can be, Knock off another few at the end of the night.

[Rob4590]

Personally - looking at those shows, I think you have been very lucky to get a B+ for the first show, and the 2nd show rating of B- is exactly what I would expect of it. Question - why aren't you using 6min+ angles? If an angle is going to rate B/B+/A etc - then you need to be making every one of them 6 mins long - why? Cos they then count towards the show rating - otherwise they are just there as (effectively) fluff!

[Sagitta]

Another factor could have been the location. What works well in location A may not work so well in location B.

[The Shape]

[QUOTE=Sagitta;504735]Another factor could have been the location. What works well in location A may not work so well in location B.[/QUOTE] In which case the seg ratings themselves would be different. [QUOTE=Rob4590;504701]Personally - looking at those shows, I think you have been very lucky to get a B+ for the first show, and the 2nd show rating of B- is exactly what I would expect of it. Question - why aren't you using 6min+ angles? If an angle is going to rate B/B+/A etc - then you need to be making every one of them 6 mins long - why? Cos they then count towards the show rating - otherwise they are just there as (effectively) fluff![/QUOTE] They do count. Or at least, should, as they change the pace/mood and so on, develop stories, build up matches, etc. And I usually do, especially at the beginning of the show, except on those shows with only 90 minutes to play with and a lot to do, I didn't. And given the ratings I've achieved for prior shows (all in the B- to B+ range) has seemed fairly proportional, these two were odd. I've have expected a low B max for the first (surely a few D segments and the generally crap matches shouldn't have just been saved by the great main event? the balance is tilted to heavily IMO) and a high B for the second, let down slightly by the main event not scoring hugely (though still surprising me pleasantly giving who was involved.

[FINisher]

The location is irrelevant: Only the overness/skills/the grades are relevant. Altough one worker may have different overness in a region. But. In the first show the two last matches were C+ and B+, and in the second one C- and B. So.. There's nothing odd here in my opinion. That B+ was a low B+, and that B- was rightfully a B-. :)

[Comradebot]

[QUOTE=FINisher;504818]The location is irrelevant: Only the overness/skills/the grades are relevant. Altough one worker may have different overness in a region. But. In the first show the two last matches were C+ and B+, and in the second one C- and B. So.. There's nothing odd here in my opinion. That B+ was a low B+, and that B- was rightfully a B-. :)[/QUOTE] I have to question having a Shooting Star title match as the pre-main event anyways... Both of those guys are solid workers, but still... going with the trend of how people tend to push both of em, I can't imagine either is insanely over either.

[FINisher]

In another note, I think that people are concentrating too much in the beginning of the show. O.o And too less on the ending. Or something like that.

[Comradebot]

[QUOTE=FINisher;504842]In another note, I think that people are concentrating too much in the beginning of the show. O.o And too less on the ending. Or something like that.[/QUOTE] Its true... what might've been the best match of the night for the B- show might have been the BEST match of the night. You should have a solid match to open the night... not the best one. I usually aim to put something in the C+ to B-ish range there at best... though on rare occaisons, I've had better. How the hell was I suppossed to know Zach Cruise and Marc DuBois were going to have off the charts chemistry?

[The Shape]

My last show was even more confusing, as it pretty much contradicted everything in this thread =D I booked more carefully in terms of lifting the crowd and whatnot; last two matches were Money vs. Valiant (B-), then a pre-ME seg with a partner being unveiled, then the 14-minute main event tag match got a B+...so the strongest final two of all of them, with solid matches and so on elsewhere on the card, but it still pretty much sank. The one thing that didn't come off was a seg with Faith/Vengeance/Enygma I hoped would lift the crowd, it lasted 7 minutes around the middle of the show and only got a B- itself, but...I'm really not sure how much a difference it would make xD

[lazorbeak]

[QUOTE=FINisher;504842]In another note, I think that people are concentrating too much in the beginning of the show. O.o And too less on the ending. Or something like that.[/QUOTE] It's true. I've read around here a lot of people talking about how they put their best workers in the opener on a regular basis: there's no call to do that. I booked SWF for a year and some of my best shows opened with mediocre C or C- matches but built up from that. If the OP's match order had ended with Money's match, then Faith/Sexy, then the regular main event, you'd probably see a stronger rating. Putting Faith/Sexy in the opening spot is pretty much a waste as far as the card rating: all it does is bring the crowd's mood up. A main event or upper midcard heel squashing a midcarder in a five minute match would have the same effect.

[The Shape]

Which is silly really. The whole system is just odd. If something is great at the start of the show, you remember it...sure you should finish on the highest note, that part makes sense, but still xD

[infinitywpi]

I'm convinced that the effect of 'perfect show theory' varies depending on your product. I've just yet to do any actual experiements with it. I mean, seriously, would a garbage promotion be expected to follow PST? Probably not by their fans.

[Bigpapa42]

It might not be necessary, but in my SWF game, I start each show with a strong segment and a strong match. Usually using an upper midcarder or main eventer, and always with a psychology note to "work the crowd". I pretty much never get below a B rating, and while I don't know for sure that this is key to that, I'll stick to the formula until it stops working. Random curiosity question, Shape - did you pick up the "Ace" for Davis Wayne Newton on here or come up with it separately?

[Scorpio3060]

Try finishing your show with a strong segment or two. Make sure the segments are over 6 minutes. If they are good angles, they will greatly increase your show.

[The Shape]

[QUOTE=Bigpapa42;506724]It might not be necessary, but in my SWF game, I start each show with a strong segment and a strong match. Usually using an upper midcarder or main eventer, and always with a psychology note to "work the crowd". I pretty much never get below a B rating, and while I don't know for sure that this is key to that, I'll stick to the formula until it stops working. Random curiosity question, Shape - did you pick up the "Ace" for Davis Wayne Newton on here or come up with it separately?[/QUOTE] Meant to mention I saw it in a diary, perhaps even your own? ;)

[Bigpapa42]

[QUOTE=The Shape;506737]Meant to mention I saw it in a diary, perhaps even your own? ;)[/QUOTE] Cool. Wasn't so much looking for credit for it. More just curious if someone else had come up with the same idea, since you never know. I must admit, this forum is great for ideas - storylines, angles, characters, names, etc. I've ended up using a ton of stuff off of here, both in my diary game and other games. I think its cool that someone liked one of my ideas enough to use it (if that is where you got it from).

[The Shape]

Man...the advice I got in this thread was generally simple, but I think up until this point I'd really been underestimating the importance of the "...lifted the crowd" road agent note. Now I build my shows around it, using other angles to build skills and only a few here and there that are shorter than five minutes due to storyline heat/advance booking and so on. As a result I just got my first A-rated show; the final edition of STV before Awesome Impact, which will be headlined by Bruce vs. Brandon vs. Frehley vs. Lobby; all those guys have gotten massively over since the start, mostly notably Brandon...however his creative control is becoming a bitch and is the only thing stopping me from putting the strap on Lobby in this match (he's been on fire since his return - I never liked him or Frehley before but here, it's just clicked). I've also figured out the ONLY way that I can stand the Bumfholes name...aligning them with Garcia! FAG and the Bumfholes, all three of them fabulous heels, haha. Slight problem in that the gimmick change came before they technically turned heel, so atm Randy is rated B for it and Zimmy at a D+ when I'd hoped for better; but both of them upon the change said it was in the E region, so I presume it can still improve. This does mean that I'll either have to severely hold off their joining Bruce's eventual stable, or replace them with someone else alongside Retro, who will then be known as Robbie Rock (but is for now the main face on my B-show along with Valiant). I've also renamed Dawn the Cheerleader Jillian Dawn so I can bill her and Giedroyc as Jack and Jill :cool: My next main choice comes in the form of what to do with Rick Law...definitely think I'm going to change his name as I have loads of ric/richards and so on, not sure what to and whether to keep the cop gimmick though.