WalterSobchak Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 I was just thinking today about the C-Verse promotions and was wondering if anybody had any input as to which real world promotion they think a C-Verse one represents in one way or another. Do you think CZCW is a modern day ROH, is the SWF really today's WWE? What do you guys think? I talking all C-verse promotions too, not just North America.
Bigpapa42 Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Just like with the workers, I don't think any CornellVerse promotions are supposed to exactly mirror or obviously be a real world promotion. There are some very obvious paralells. The Inspire exodus from Burning Hammer is like the Pro Wrestling NOAH and All Japan Pro Wrestling, while the AJPW and NJPW is a bit like BHOTWG and GCG. But its just similarities, not exact representations. The strongest parallels are probably between SWF and WWE. The powerful owner who changed the business, the "family business" aspect to it, being SE, and all that. I just somehow don't see it being the equivilent of the contemporary WWE, though. More like the WWE of about a decade ago, when the product was a bit more varied. I guess that's more my perception than anything, but the current WWE seems so stale to me and I don't see the SWF as being that with the competition from TCW. TCW doesn't really have any direct real world equivilent. I've seen a comparison to pre-NWO WCW on here and I think that fights (from what I remember, at least). Is there a real-work current equivilent to USPW? Or an in-game version of TNA? Not that I really know of.
Comradebot Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 [QUOTE=Bigpapa42;510275]Just like with the workers, I don't think any CornellVerse promotions are supposed to exactly mirror or obviously be a real world promotion. There are some very obvious paralells. The Inspire exodus from Burning Hammer is like the Pro Wrestling NOAH and All Japan Pro Wrestling, while the AJPW and NJPW is a bit like BHOTWG and GCG. But its just similarities, not exact representations. The strongest parallels are probably between SWF and WWE. The powerful owner who changed the business, the "family business" aspect to it, being SE, and all that. I just somehow don't see it being the equivilent of the contemporary WWE, though. More like the WWE of about a decade ago, when the product was a bit more varied. I guess that's more my perception than anything, but the current WWE seems so stale to me and I don't see the SWF as being that with the competition from TCW. TCW doesn't really have any direct real world equivilent. I've seen a comparison to pre-NWO WCW on here and I think that fights (from what I remember, at least). Is there a real-work current equivilent to USPW? Or an in-game version of TNA? Not that I really know of.[/QUOTE] I've always seen TCW as a "what-if" promotion, the "what if" being "what if ROH were a National promotion".
shamelessposer Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 [QUOTE=Comradebot;510279]I've always seen TCW as a "what-if" promotion, the "what if" being "what if ROH were a National promotion".[/QUOTE] I'm thinking it's more "what if WCW let a different set of inmates run the asylum."
juggaloninjalee Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 I think that TCW is a lot like WCW. It is like WCW post nWo but with the big names still I think. The Syndicate being introduced in 2008 reminds me of the nWo. They have the best tag team, best world champion, a super legend in Sam Keith, and Wolf Hawkins who is also one of the best. Then if you want to be really bad you can bring Robert Oxford, and Joel Bryant in. You can also bring in Charlie Thatcher as a bodyguard type. That would be like the nWo when it had a ton of members. Thats how I see it personally. USPW is like almost any indy fed except with popularity lol. Crazy gimmicks... lots of has beens. Run by a former wrestler.
Midnightnick Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Japan is pretty much BHOTWG = NJPW GCG = AJPW PHGW = NOAH However, BHOTWG/Inspire Exodus mimiced NOAH's formation.
Sigilistic Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 [QUOTE=juggaloninjalee;510293]I think that TCW is a lot like WCW. It is like WCW post nWo but with the big names still I think. The Syndicate being introduced in 2008 reminds me of the nWo. They have the best tag team, best world champion, a super legend in Sam Keith, and Wolf Hawkins who is also one of the best. Then if you want to be really bad you can bring Robert Oxford, and Joel Bryant in. You can also bring in Charlie Thatcher as a bodyguard type. That would be like the nWo when it had a ton of members. Thats how I see it personally. USPW is like almost any indy fed except with popularity lol. Crazy gimmicks... lots of has beens. Run by a former wrestler.[/QUOTE] I picture USPW being alot like that "legends wrestling" promotion Hulk Hogan always talked about wanting to run (but was of course completely full of **** about). NOTBPW and CGC both share similarities with the old Calgary Stampede promotion, the biggest being they are run by families full of great wrestlers. But yeah, the parallels are intentionally imperfect. The C-Verse is, in the end, it's own breed of cat entirely.
Comradebot Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 [QUOTE=shamelessposer;510292]I'm thinking it's more "what if WCW let a different set of inmates run the asylum."[/QUOTE] Ya know, I just can't see TCW being like WCW, other than in the sense that they are the chief rival to the other big company, and end the initials CW. Even pre-NWO, TCW has far more emphasis on in-ring talent and less on angles than WCW. Granted, when TCW was HGC, then they were a helluva lot like WCW post-NWO. Lots of old guys filling the top and trying to beat the SE company at their own game.
foolinc Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 [QUOTE=Comradebot;510303]Ya know, I just can't see TCW being like WCW, other than in the sense that they are the chief rival to the other big company, and end the initials CW. Even pre-NWO, TCW has far more emphasis on in-ring talent and less on angles than WCW. Granted, when TCW was HGC, then they were a helluva lot like WCW post-NWO. Lots of old guys filling the top and trying to beat the SE company at their own game.[/QUOTE] TCW is more or less a modern take on the late 80s NWA/WCW, complete with a Four Horseman type stable.
FINisher Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 I have always thought that GCG is NOAH. O.O But yeah, the time period doesn't make sense in that matter. Yet I've always thought that Toshiharu Hyobanshi is clearly Kenta Kobashi. ^^
Tempest Kane Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 You guys are crazy. How is TCW not TNA? Tommy Cornell is clearly Jeff Jarret ... Read the promotion bio... TCW is TNA without the russo, doing its own thing not trying to copy WWE. Unlike current TNA that is more than happy to copy paste a working formular (And likely rightly so if they want to cross over fans)... also.. Wolf Hawkins is imho AJ styles... Not that i think ANY of the chars promotions acuratly depict real world ... but as close a representation as they can be compaired i think im not far off the mark.
Sigilistic Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 [QUOTE=Tempest Kane;510474]You guys are crazy. How is TCW not TNA? Tommy Cornell is clearly Jeff Jarret ... Read the promotion bio... TCW is TNA without the russo, doing its own thing not trying to copy WWE. Unlike current TNA that is more than happy to copy paste a working formular (And likely rightly so if they want to cross over fans)... also.. Wolf Hawkins is imho AJ styles... Not that i think ANY of the chars promotions acuratly depict real world ... but as close a representation as they can be compaired i think im not far off the mark.[/QUOTE] Tommy Cornell is Jeff Jarrett if Jeff Jarrett was Ric Flair. I think the late 80's NWA analogy is more accurate. But TCW is NOT TNA, their product is nothing like TNA's. TCW is TCW, an amalgam of real world equivalents just like every other promotion in the C-verse. And Wolf Hawkins strikes me as more of a Randy Orton type, young good-looking kid taken under the wing of a powerful veteran (Tommy Cornell's Triple H as it were). Joey Minnesota has the AJ Styles look, although he's a completely different type of worker. Seriously, there are no direct analogies in the Cornellverse. That's what makes it so intriguing.
Tempest Kane Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 [QUOTE=Sigilistic;510514]Seriously, there are no direct analogies in the Cornellverse. That's what makes it so intriguing.[/QUOTE] Your right of course, but if we were to streach the imagination slightly.. i think we end up with something like this thread. Your most likely right about the NWA comment. Not sure if i think Tommy is closer to Ric tho, the jarret story does fit in a bit more closely to RL if you consider "What if" jarret had goten over in WWF(E)/WCW the way he did in his home promotion and later has in TNA.
Sigilistic Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 [QUOTE=Tempest Kane;510547]Your right of course, but if we were to streach the imagination slightly.. i think we end up with something like this thread. Your most likely right about the NWA comment. Not sure if i think Tommy is closer to Ric tho, the jarret story does fit in a bit more closely to RL if you consider "What if" jarret had goten over in WWF(E)/WCW the way he did in his home promotion and later has in TNA.[/QUOTE] When I compared to Tommy to Ric, it was more in the skill and charisma total package area. Jarrett's good, but Flair is...well...Flair. I picture Tommy as an amalgam of Triple H, Ric Flair, and Jeff Jarrett, with just a sprinkling of William Regal on top for good measure.
NordVolf Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Since I am heavily into the C-verse women's scene (though no authority like Remmy is!), I would have to say that AAA is very difinitively... Well, they're just like... Well, they're pretty similar to... Um... Ok, I'll be quiet now... :rolleyes:
Bigpapa42 Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 [QUOTE=Tempest Kane;510474]You guys are crazy. How is TCW not TNA? Tommy Cornell is clearly Jeff Jarret ... Read the promotion bio... TCW is TNA without the russo, doing its own thing not trying to copy WWE. Unlike current TNA that is more than happy to copy paste a working formular (And likely rightly so if they want to cross over fans)... also.. Wolf Hawkins is imho AJ styles... Not that i think ANY of the chars promotions acuratly depict real world ... but as close a representation as they can be compaired i think im not far off the mark.[/QUOTE] There are elements there, no doubt. But I can't say I look at TCW in the game and instantly think "TNA", nor do I watch TNA and find myself constantly thinking of TCW. I do that to an extent with SWF and WWE, but not TCW and TNA. The "wrestler as owner" aspect sure reminds one of TNA. But the Jarrett's haven't had controlling interest in TNA since late '02. Yes, JJ is still Vice President, but he isn't the owner. The sequence is reversed in TCW, where a rich individual started it for kicks then had it purchased by a wrestler. Honestly, one could compare the startup of TCW by JK Stallings (as HGC) as much to Ted Turner getting into the "rasslin" business by purchasing JCP as you could to the Jarrett's starting up TNA. TCW started out as a variation of SE, similar as TNA has. And while I'm not an expert on TNA, it seems like they've stayed closer to that formula than TCW has. TCW established themselves as a Sports Entertainment promotion, using former SWF guys running the show, and only tried to distance themselves from SE once Cornell took over. TCW clearly moved away from SE, as evidenced by the 90% match ratio. As previously mentioned, in that way, TCW is kinda like ROH on a bigger stage. Sure you can see bits of JJ in Cornell. But I think Cornell is closer to a modern day Ric Flair myself. Its all in the perception, though. As for someone who mentioned the NWO aspect to The Syndicate, its there a bit. But it doesn't "feel" like this stable has the attitude or "outsider" aspect that the NWO did, at least at the start. You could probably find elements to compare The Syndicate to almost any major stable if you looked.
Phantom Stranger Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 [QUOTE=Bigpapa42;510677] The "wrestler as owner" aspect sure reminds one of TNA. [/QUOTE] ...and USWA. And, some of the time, the AWA. And CHIKARA, if memory serves. And Gawd knows how many others. The big link between TCW and TNA is they're both 'the second fiddle' in the modern US. But TCW is a lot better established and a lot better known than TNA (IMO). In that way it's very like 1990s WCW, except with a different approach to storylines and not entirely supported by former SWF main eventers - sure, it's got a few, but it's got as many self-made who keep the same level of push.
Bigpapa42 Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 [QUOTE=Phantom Stranger;510682]...and USWA. And, some of the time, the AWA. And CHIKARA, if memory serves. And Gawd knows how many others. The big link between TCW and TNA is they're both 'the second fiddle' in the modern US. But TCW is a lot better established and a lot better known than TNA (IMO). In that way it's very like 1990s WCW, except with a different approach to storylines and not entirely supported by former SWF main eventers - sure, it's got a few, but it's got as many self-made who keep the same level of push.[/QUOTE] Sorry, that was the rambly point i was trying to make. That you can see elements on one real world promotion in a CornellVerse promotion... but those elements can also apply to other real world promotions. And there are always other elements that don't apply, or apply to a different one. Most of the CornellVerse promotions are like puzzles with pieces taken from all around the real work. The early TCW (HGC if you prefer) used two of the SWF's former biggest stars in Sam Strong and Rip Chord to establish immediate legitimacy. In that regard, I see what WCW did in the early Bischoff era with Hogan and Savage as similar, though obviously not identical. Again, pieces from all over.
The Masked Orange Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 SWF is WWE! Think about it, they both started when they destroyed terretorial wrestling, they have the steroid abuse.(To be honest all of the steroid abuse is done by one guy, Big Smack Scott) It even has Sam Keith as a sort of Wrestling Paul Heyman, but with style. And no offense, if Marc DuBois doesn't bring up nostalgia of John Morrison you're clearly blind. And some wrestlers have been duped, Byron = HBK, Remmy Skye = Jeff Hardy Chris Caulfield = Tommy Dreamer, Even Big Cat is a Ryhno, except that didn't get released after they found out he crap. OPEN YOUR EYES
Derek B Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 Dude... where to begin? Paul Heyman already has an almost exact clone in Phil Vibert It's hard to ahve nostalgia for someone who is not only active but hasn't been around long enough to have nostalgia... also, DuBois doesn't even vague resemble Morrison in any way and was around before the Morrison character debuted, though not the Johnny Nitro incarnation Byron as HBK? How? I mean seriously, I need a lot of explanation about where this one comes from because I can't see any similarities in character, background or even looks. I can't even draw a close enough comparison for Sam Keith to the real world as he doesn't seem to have one. The guy has wrestled all over the world, first getting fame in Mexico, then Japan, then Canada before hitting the US. In terms of ring skill he is a legend but there isn't anyone I could compare him to, he's a unique character with his own unique story. Still... if you can point out the similarities everyone else misses then feel free to educate me, I always like to see people's thoughts on this kinda thing. :)
lazorbeak Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 [QUOTE=The Masked Orange;512008]SWF is WWE! Think about it, they both started when they destroyed terretorial wrestling, they have the steroid abuse.(To be honest all of the steroid abuse is done by one guy, Big Smack Scott)[/quote] Well duh. This is probably the easiest connection to make, which is why no one is arguing it. [QUOTE=The Masked Orange;512008] It even has Sam Keith as a sort of Wrestling Paul Heyman, but with style.[/quote] I have to admit, I have no idea what you're talking about here? How is Paul Heyman like Sam Keith in any way, shape or form? [QUOTE=The Masked Orange;512008] And no offense, if Marc DuBois doesn't bring up nostalgia of John Morrison you're clearly blind.[/quote] John Morrison invented being a good-looking, ****y young heel? [QUOTE=The Masked Orange;512008]And some wrestlers have been duped, Byron = HBK, Remmy Skye = Jeff Hardy Chris Caulfield = Tommy Dreamer, Even Big Cat is a Ryhno, except that didn't get released after they found out he crap.[/quote] Byron=HBK? Maybe if HBK traveled back in time ten years, dyed his hair golden blond, fell asleep in a tanning booth, and became crap in the ring. Big Cat is Rhyno? Did Rhyno invent being a face-painted, animal-like powerhouse? Did he ever have a run where he wore a suit and played a heel? Also, isn't this thread about promotions? Haven't we gone through this stuff with workers somewhere else?
Nedew Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 Am I the only one who see's Masked Orange as a rather entertaining wind-up? :)
The Masked Orange Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 [QUOTE=lazorbeak;512031]Well duh. This is probably the easiest connection to make, which is why no one is arguing it. I have to admit, I have no idea what you're talking about here? How is Paul Heyman like Sam Keith in any way, shape or form? John Morrison invented being a good-looking, ****y young heel? Byron=HBK? Maybe if HBK traveled back in time ten years, dyed his hair golden blond, fell asleep in a tanning booth, and became crap in the ring. Big Cat is Rhyno? Did Rhyno invent being a face-painted, animal-like powerhouse? Did he ever have a run where he wore a suit and played a heel? Also, isn't this thread about promotions? Haven't we gone through this stuff with workers somewhere else?[/QUOTE] I think BCB is Ryhno because he was supposedly the last true champion of a federation that pushed him so when he went to WWE/SWF he had some momentum Byron is HBK, granted that Byron is crap, Come On! Heartbreaker, similar hair, similar style... Sam Keith was apparently a key member of the SWF backstage society, but when things when bottom up he still got the act. December to Dismember anyone? And yes, Morrosin and DuBois are both ****y heels who apparently have a great future in the sport.
MonoNaitch Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 I see NOTBPW as Stampede and the Stones like The Hart Family exceptionaly talented and loved I think The other big canadian one I dont use, is similar to WCCW and the DeColts like the Von Erichs
foolinc Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 There are some of the connections I've formed in my time with the C-Verse Promotions: SWF to WWE TCW to a modern take on the late 80s WCW/NWA USPW to early 90s WWE NYCW & MAW to AWA and other territories in the 80s DAVE to ECW PSW to CZW CZCW PWG AAA to SHIMMER BSC to GLOW BHOTWG to NJPW GCG to AJPW PHGW to NOAH WLW to Dragon Gate NOTBPW to Stampede Wrestling CGC to WCCW FCW to WWC
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