mjdgoldeneye Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Well, unless some unexpected things happen in the next few hours and/or Obama doesn't win California, Barack Obama is going to win the presidency. What are your thoughts? Please, as is always asked, don't be hatin' on either candidate... Nobody gets into office until January! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightnick Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 And just like that. The internet explodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Wolf Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 He's been declared the winner as of now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatallylost Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I'm happy.. but, still iffy until it's full on decided. Cause, if he does win, I'll be 1 for 3 in my presidential voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinesxe Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Booooom!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trell Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I'm happy that he won, I feel that we needed a change, I dont expect him to come in on day one and for everything to be changed, but I feel like he can do alot before his term is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
still71 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 you spend the most corporately funded special interest money in the history of elections to coincide with an all out media machine giving you messiah status as you run against a patsy opponent - you'd better win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjdgoldeneye Posted November 5, 2008 Author Share Posted November 5, 2008 And the bitterness ensues... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 The democrats have proven that you can fool most of the people most of the time. Its easy to be the "other party" and tell everybody what's wrong with the people in charge. Its much harder to actually be in charge and accomplish something. Continuing to blame Bush will only get them so far. The democrats were given control of congress and they did nothing the last two years except take more of my tax money to fix problems they caused. Personally I'm scared for my own personal freedoms. You already have them talking about the "fairness doctrine" again. Sure, why not silence the only media you don't control. You have thugs standing outside polling places to intimidate voters. Its sad that the liberals who once defended freedom of expression, now try to silence any voice they disagree with. Obama has won, and they will pick up seats in both houses. But does anyone remember the last time the democrats controlled everything. It was 1992 and two years later the American people threw them out (including the speaker of the house) and gave the republicans control. And many of the same issues that sparked that to happen are the same issues that the democrats will try once again to enact. But like I said, the democrats and media have fooled people into believing that all the problems are the president's fault, but who will they blame when Obama screws up? Conservative talk radio? Those of us who disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [QUOTE=mjdgoldeneye;519525]And the bitterness ensues...[/QUOTE] why not, the democrats have been bitter for 8 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comradebot Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [QUOTE=scorpion;519528]why not, the democrats have been bitter for 8 years?[/QUOTE] Bill Clinton didn't lead us into in a pointless war, sacrificing American lives on a false belief. Not that I'm technically a Democrat, but I did vote for Obama. Nothing against McCain, and he was extremely gracious in defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trell Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [quote=scorpion;519527]The democrats have proven that you can fool most of the people most of the time. Its easy to be the "other party" and tell everybody what's wrong with the people in charge. Its much harder to actually be in charge and accomplish something. Continuing to blame Bush will only get them so far. The democrats were given control of congress and they did nothing the last two years except take more of my tax money to fix problems they caused. Personally I'm scared for my own personal freedoms. You already have them talking about the "fairness doctrine" again. Sure, why not silence the only media you don't control. You have thugs standing outside polling places to intimidate voters. Its sad that the liberals who once defended freedom of expression, now try to silence any voice they disagree with. Obama has won, and they will pick up seats in both houses. But does anyone remember the last time the democrats controlled everything. It was 1992 and two years later the American people threw them out (including the speaker of the house) and gave the republicans control. And many of the same issues that sparked that to happen are the same issues that the democrats will try once again to enact. But like I said, the democrats and media have fooled people into believing that all the problems are the president's fault, but who will they blame when Obama screws up? Conservative talk radio? Those of us who disagree?[/quote] I agree with what you said about the senate and congress, I think it would be better if Republicans won the house, I think we need a check and balance with decisions. I'm just curious if the democrats can learn from there past mistakes and not fall back into the hole they did before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackphoenix Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 As an outsider (Australian) It was amazing to see the McCain that has been missing for the whole election in his defeat speech, he ws gracious, elequent and instead of making divides he was trying bringing people together. It was beautiful to see the happiness on so many peoples faces. It probably doesn't matter to most of you but tonight has done alot to gain respect back for your country from others around the world. Good luck for the future. And after that I will step out of this discussion that will most likely turn into an angry nasty fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatallylost Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [QUOTE=scorpion;519528]why not, the democrats have been bitter for 8 years?[/QUOTE] I think the majority of the world has been bitter for 7 of those 8. [QUOTE=blackphoenix;519532]As an outsider (Australian) It was amazing to see the McCain that has been missing for the whole election in his defeat speech, he ws gracious, elequent and instead of making divides he was trying bringing people together. It was beautiful to see the happiness on so many peoples faces. It probably doesn't matter to most of you but tonight has done alot to gain respect back for your country from others around the world. Good luck for the future. And after that I will step out of this discussion that will most likely turn into an angry nasty fight.[/QUOTE] I agree with that. Personally, I may have voted for him if it wasn't for Palin, and his lack of pointing out what he could do for us, as opposed to what Obama wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinesxe Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [QUOTE=scorpion;519528]why not, the democrats have been bitter for 8 years?[/QUOTE] No, Americans have been bitter for some time now. With what has happened over the last 8 years this is an amazing change the can hopefully put some faith back into a country that has been failing at everything we do...Hopefully this will help us all. Scorpion I hope for you to not live the next 8 years in a hateful angry state as you must have thought most of us have. Which in fact we haven't just fear and seeing everything that happened from 01 on when Bush pushed us into a war that he had other objectives to take care of....Rant here....Sorry not trying to sound...NM I am done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Wolf Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I'm not a democrat or a republic I'm a registered independent but I still voted for Obama. I think most of the time both parties are exactly the same. They make promises and then get into office and then do what's best for them. However president Bush is the whole reason I've actually voted democrat instead of green party the past two elections and I have to say unlike Kerry I actually like Obama. I could be wrong and if I am I'll admit it but if he can at least try and get done half of what he promises then America will be in a better place. Problem is more Republicans need to be able to admit that George Bush is probably the worst president in America ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foolinc Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [QUOTE=scorpion;519527]The democrats have proven that you can fool most of the people most of the time. Its easy to be the "other party" and tell everybody what's wrong with the people in charge. Its much harder to actually be in charge and accomplish something. Continuing to blame Bush will only get them so far. The democrats were given control of congress and they did nothing the last two years except take more of my tax money to fix problems they caused. Personally I'm scared for my own personal freedoms. You already have them talking about the "fairness doctrine" again. Sure, why not silence the only media you don't control. You have thugs standing outside polling places to intimidate voters. Its sad that the liberals who once defended freedom of expression, now try to silence any voice they disagree with. Obama has won, and they will pick up seats in both houses. But does anyone remember the last time the democrats controlled everything. It was 1992 and two years later the American people threw them out (including the speaker of the house) and gave the republicans control. And many of the same issues that sparked that to happen are the same issues that the democrats will try once again to enact. But like I said, the democrats and media have fooled people into believing that all the problems are the president's fault, but who will they blame when Obama screws up? Conservative talk radio? Those of us who disagree?[/QUOTE] Wasn't it the GOP that was able to fool the public that WAR VETERAN John Kerry was a wussy flip-flopper who couldn't lead us in the war on Iraq? Both sides have radicals, both sides deceive. Just leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ransik Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 These are just my OPINIONS; McCain never stood a chance. I've been saying for weeks to co-workers he'd lose long before every last vote was counted and I was completely right. And I've been watching the maps and the vote count for a few hours now and was also correct on which states which candidate would win. Southern states (where stereotypically most racists reside) were all won by McCain aside from Florida and New Mexico. McCain's support of George Bush doomed him from the start in any event, as well as his support in continuing over in Iraq and raising taxes. What REALLY annoys me is like in every election most people blindly vote Republican or Democrat regardless of who the candidates are. I could care less about politics and the BS that surrounds them but in voting I go for the one who slings mud the least and who promises to deliver more to the people and not the government. Nothing pisses me off more in election than blind sheep who only follow their own "party." Things like that got us Bush for 8 years instead of 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjdgoldeneye Posted November 5, 2008 Author Share Posted November 5, 2008 I just have to say that every malefactor of Obama that I've seen has quoted the same sore soundbites and swansongs... Those like Scorpion succeed at nothing but insult the intelligence of a great majority of American voters and that's not what the country needs! Are there disappointingly large numbers of uninformed voters out there? Yes! But, do every (or even a healthy percentage) of Obama supporters vote like sheep? Hell no! Is the media the Pro-Obama monster some claim? Most surely not! Can't those who are worried wait at least until January to be sore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackphoenix Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [QUOTE=fatallylost;519533]I think the majority of the world has been bitter for 7 of those 8. I agree with that. Personally, I may have voted for him if it wasn't for Palin, and his lack of pointing out what he could do for us, as opposed to what Obama wouldn't.[/QUOTE] To be honest (and i'll probably get killed for this and again I'm an outsider) my first choice would have been Hilary (which may have not worked out in the us) then Obama and then McCain. However I preferred OLD real maverick McCain who contest the primaries verses Bush. I would have been happy for him to be prez for the last 8 years rather than Bush. As for Palin... yes I would never vote for a ticket for her on it.. lol.. (I'm pro-choice and a lesbian... I qualify pro-choice as I was brought up Christian and would never have an abortion myself but believe that every woman should have a [B]choice[/B]) But my vote doesn't count. Again good luck. P.S Go Al Franken. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
still71 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI[/url] A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage. see you in the bread lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjdgoldeneye Posted November 5, 2008 Author Share Posted November 5, 2008 [QUOTE=blackphoenix;519540]P.S Go Al Franken. ;)[/QUOTE] **Waits for the rage of Wallbanger to come down upon you** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ransik Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Sad thing is blackphoenix.... living in Vermont as I do... my vote as well as all Vermonters REALLY means crap all. Vermont and the District of Columbia account for only 3 electoral points apiece and in the grand scheme of things... whether anyone in VT or DC vote... really means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comradebot Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [QUOTE=still71;519542][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI[/url] A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage. see you in the bread lines.[/QUOTE] Aren't you just a ray of sunshine. I have faith in America, we'll be okay. Hell, I think we'll be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ransik Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [QUOTE=Comradebot;519545]Aren't you just a ray of sunshine. I have faith in America, we'll be okay. Hell, I think we'll be great.[/QUOTE] Give it a lil over 2 months man... life will become a ray of sunshine compared to the last 8 years. Maybe by the time Obama gets sworn in Bush's power will be so minimal that I won't have to decide between gas money so I can get to work and grocery money so I can live! Heck I became an adult in 2002 and the cost of living has gone up so much because of Bush I can't afford to live anywhere but with my parents at present because of having to buy a car. My choices in July were car and apartment with no food..... or food and car and a tiny bedroom back at my parent's. And why? Because under Bush's oil tycoon I was dumping $80 in gas into my car every week and ran it into the ground. Now I'm paying over $12,000 in the next 5 years for a nicer car between the price, the taxes and the insurance.... not including gas. If this were pre-Bush... affording everything wouldn't be a problem. Man... I'm SO happy I can be an adult free of Bush now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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