Crazy, Adamle, Palumbo & London.

[Masked Superstar]

SO I heard Super Crazy asked for his release - They have finally decided to end the ridiculous Mike Adamle experiment and will no longer be using him just payout his remaining contract - and that they fired Palumbo and London. Anyone else heard this?

[Astil]

[QUOTE=Masked Superstar;521166]SO I heard Super Crazy asked for his release - They have finally decided to end the ridiculous Mike Adamle experiment and will no longer be using him just payout his remaining contract - and that they fired Palumbo and [B]London.[/B] Anyone else heard this?[/QUOTE] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Prophet]

Yeah, is true. Another talent squandered by the `E. Of the 4, the one I'm saddest to see go is London. I like Super Crazy a lot, but the potential for a London/Kendrick match would've been great. Having them feud over the fall out of their tag team, and Kendrick using the comparisons he's had to the early days Shawn Michaels as fodder ... where Kendrick lets it go to his head, says he's twice the man Michaels ever was, disrespects HBK, which leads to London making the save. So many directions it could've gone.

[shamelessposer]

London wasn't exactly getting the full benefit of national exposure for a while there, so I think there's a good chance he'll be able to make a better living for himself outside of the WWE system. Ring of Honor probably wants him for a return tour, TNA could get all kinds of use out of him, and there's probably some room for London in Japan or even Mexico. I hate to hear he's gone, but hopefully his release just means that he's open to more career opportunities.

[djthefunkchris]

I agree.... I always liked London way more then Kendricks... would have rather seen Kendricks go, that would have been just fine with me. Bah, they will probably release him as well. Palumbo just never get's anywhere with whatever he is doing. I don't really blame him though, because I wouldn't have used him the way they did... even if I had to use the bike. Supercrazy is another one I have always thought was a great mainstay. Would have liked him to stay. Adamle..... I think they should have had him in development first is all I can say. I understand they payed him too much NOT to utilize him, but now if what's been posted is true, they are going to pay him for doing absolutely nothing (to keep him OFF their show). He had potential, in my opinion... over time he could have passed, but they realised I guess that they dropped the ball on him and probably would take longer recuperating then just replacing. OF all of them, Adamle is the only one this time that I don't care is leaving. The rest I feel are being cut short (or in Supercrazy's case, I hope they tell him NO).

[Masked Superstar]

First off let me say that THE Kendrick is cool!!! I agree I like London better but Spanky freakin' rules!!! ANYWAY had this odd thought or idea or whathaveyou. Alright so they start showing Who is Suicide videos.. Then Kaz gets hurt. So then they quit. I heard rumors that they were gonna stop these until Kaz comes back or they find someone else to fill the role. NOW they are back. So I am GUESSING that Kaz is coming back soon. I like The Future, but Suicide seems to be a cool character and as he is a big deal when it comes to the TNA Game, they should have a very talented man under the mask in my opinion to help the character get over. .... Now Paul London is jobless.... PUT LONDON UNDER THE MASK!!!! I think that would be very wise. Any thoughts?????

[cappyboy]

Can't really say I'm upset by any of these cuts. They all seem to make sense. And in London's case was probably politically overdue given The Laugh. Crazy's never really been able to get beyond that Baby's First Win stage. You want to start a slow build push in WWE, the first guy he got to beat was Crazy. As such if Crazy's seeking his release, I can't say I blame him. He has or at least HAD a cult following from ECW that's been pretty well wasted in WWE. If nothing else, some of those should have been "the new ECW champion's first title defense" Adamle has been fish out of water from day one. Enough said. Palumbo is a paradox in my mind. He has the size and brawling skills that should make him a favorite with Creative. But he just has never struck me as having a WWE level personality. So it seems like he's always a candidate for getting left out in the cold. Palumbo's biggest problem is my mind is that he's a good couple decades behind his time. In the 80's, he'd have made a great local hero face in a mid to upper range indie. Someplace like the AWA or the original ECW stature wise. But in 2008, it seems like he's a talent polisher at the national level and if I were setting the next TNA up, I might grab him for that role. But if feel really bad for any of these guys it's Palumbo. Af far as the pecking order in wrestling goes these days, the best place for him is probably Ring of Honor. But I don't know if his skill set really fits their image. And London like I said is long overdue. He's taken politcial heat for essentially acting in character. He's been Jannettyed in the eyes of the public as the team with Kendrick was split off-camera. Especially now that Kendrick has decided what breed of arrogance he's supposed to be playing and is really taking off with The Kendrick character. He's gone from one of the company's top tag team assets to an afterthought. I can just imagine what the last year and a half have been like for him. He must be receiving that pink slip and thinking "What took so bloody long?" As for your Suicide suggestion, Masked Superstar, I'm of two minds. On the one hand, it would allow London to land on his feet and it does seem like he deserves that opportunity post-Laugh. But I think if he does go to TNA, I'd rather see him do it as himself. I see the Suicide promos and I can't help but have Glacier flashbacks. Even with the video game connection you mentioned, I fear for this character. Not sure I'd want to see London suffer that when he's on the rebound.

[The Shape]

[QUOTE=cappyboy;521263]He's been Jannettyed in the eyes of the public as the team with Kendrick was split off-camera. Especially now that Kendrick has decided what breed of arrogance he's supposed to be playing and is really taking off with The Kendrick character.[/QUOTE] Haven't seen smackdown in a good while...what breed of arrogance IS he playing?

[shamelessposer]

[QUOTE=The Shape;521265]Haven't seen smackdown in a good while...what breed of arrogance IS he playing?[/QUOTE] It comes across to me as "Stand there and get beaten up by my bodyguard so that I can take credit for the win. If you don't, I'll beat you instead and then go to your house and kill your mother." It's awesome. He's got Shawn Michaels ****iness combined with this weird, barely contained violent vibe.

[Masked Superstar]

[QUOTE=cappyboy;521263] As for your Suicide suggestion, Masked Superstar, I'm of two minds. On the one hand, it would allow London to land on his feet and it does seem like he deserves that opportunity post-Laugh. But I think if he does go to TNA, I'd rather see him do it as himself. I see the Suicide promos and I can't help but have Glacier flashbacks. Even with the video game connection you mentioned, I fear for this character. Not sure I'd want to see London suffer that when he's on the rebound.[/QUOTE] I agree about what the character failure (if it does) would do to the future of London's career. I honestly didn't think about it. AND I see how your mind would flashback to Glacier!!! HOWEVER, One difference that Suicide and Glacier have, is Glacier was fed down our throats as going to be the next huge man in wrestling to make an impact and had a lot of money put behind him (in the videos for him which lasted if I am not mistaken almost a year! AS WELL as the huge entrance with snow and laser lights and such)... and we get... a pretty untalented hack. Suicide little videos weren't SUPPOSE to last so long but Kaz got hurt. PLUS even if it is Kaz under the hood he is damn talented unlike the iceman. Of course that said I was a HUGE mark for Kanyon's character Mortis and actually enjoyed the Glacier/Mortis feud. I just think that with TNA first game being so important, and it is extremely important to the company that a push for Suicide is in the works regardless. So the more talented the wrestler under the hood the more over the character has a chance to become. PLUS this is the promotion where Black Machismo and Curry Man are two of there more talented wrestlers AS WELL as over characters. I think London under the hood could work. Not to mention that as talented as Paul London is, Paul London as himself is kinda bland. Thanks for ya feedback on my idea though!!!!

[Tha Black Phenom]

Sucks Palumbo fizzled out, but the others I sort of expected. I thought Palumbo would finally get his break but I guess it wasn't meant to be.

[scorpion]

[QUOTE=cappyboy;521263]And London like I said is long overdue. He's taken politcial heat for essentially acting in character. He's been Jannettyed in the eyes of the public as the team with Kendrick was split off-camera. Especially now that Kendrick has decided what breed of arrogance he's supposed to be playing and is really taking off with The Kendrick character. He's gone from one of the company's top tag team assets to an afterthought. I can just imagine what the last year and a half have been like for him. He must be receiving that pink slip and thinking "What took so bloody long?"[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what you mean by "Jannettyed." When the Rockers split everyone thought Jannetty would be the star, but his own mistakes and demons screwed him out of even getting the blow-off match with HBK. London's had his issues, but they are more of the political kind, not sure how that compares.

[cappyboy]

[QUOTE=Masked Superstar;521283]I agree about what the character failure (if it does) would do to the future of London's career. I honestly didn't think about it. AND I see how your mind would flashback to Glacier!!! HOWEVER, One difference that Suicide and Glacier have, is Glacier was fed down our throats as going to be the next huge man in wrestling to make an impact and had a lot of money put behind him (in the videos for him which lasted if I am not mistaken almost a year! AS WELL as the huge entrance with snow and laser lights and such)... and we get... a pretty untalented hack. Suicide little videos weren't SUPPOSE to last so long but Kaz got hurt. PLUS even if it is Kaz under the hood he is damn talented unlike the iceman. Of course that said I was a HUGE mark for Kanyon's character Mortis and actually enjoyed the Glacier/Mortis feud. I just think that with TNA first game being so important, and it is extremely important to the company that a push for Suicide is in the works regardless. So the more talented the wrestler under the hood the more over the character has a chance to become. PLUS this is the promotion where Black Machismo and Curry Man are two of there more talented wrestlers AS WELL as over characters. I think London under the hood could work. Not to mention that as talented as Paul London is, Paul London as himself is kinda bland. Thanks for ya feedback on my idea though!!!![/QUOTE] Not a problem. These kind of discussions are why I come to forums like The Dog Pound. And you raise some good points. Lloyd's better character in WCW was by far as Coach Buzz Stern. And I can't say I have enough a grounding in Kaz to make the comparison talent for talent. But it's not hard to believe he's better in the ring than Glacier was. I'll also grant you the fact this is an environment where the Black Machismos and Curry Men can get over is definitely a positive for Suicide. But there's still seems to be an air of wanting it too much with this gimmick. I just hope for whoever they put behind the mask that I'm wrong. I would love to see a prominent masked wrestler gimmick in wrestling again. As for London being bland as himself, that might be true. But I'd still rather see him be bland than suffer behind a high career risk gimmick and flop right now. But ideally what I'd really love to see is him get another partner and become this generation's version of say a Beautiful Bobby Eaton. A great tag wrestler who was able to last seemingly forever and pass a great deal of skill and knowledge on along the way. Since TNA seems to want the Motor City Machine Guns to be like their Rock and Roll Express, maybe he could get a partner and be one half of their great rivals. TNA seems more willing to utilize managers than the E is. Not to mention how cool it would be to see Cornette experience a scheming team like the Midnight Express always was from the management side. [QUOTE=scorpion;521285]I'm not sure what you mean by "Jannettyed." When the Rockers split everyone thought Jannetty would be the star, but his own mistakes and demons screwed him out of even getting the blow-off match with HBK. London's had his issues, but they are more of the political kind, not sure how that compares.[/QUOTE] I mean that he's been overshadowed and shown up. In the grand scheme of things, all you say of how Marty ended up Jannettyed may be well and true. But do you think the average person knows any of that now? Or just that Shawn Michaels made it and Marty didn't? That's what happened with London. Kendrick's getting pushed and London's flaming out in the eyes of the average joe. He needs to go somewhere he can get back on track.

[wilts]

This hasn't been mentioned yet, but if I were TNA, I would snap up London ASAP. I think he is an amazingly talented worker that could bring a lot to the company, especially with the possibilities once Kaz returns as I see the 2 of them working amazingly together, which leads me on to my next point. So, I am TNA creative for a day, I have a great new talent in London, and Kaz who was ready for a push with a gimmick that is an integral part of our first game, and has got a good reaction from the audience, and London and Kaz just happen to be from the same mould, damn, what do I do. I know, debut London under the Suicide gimmick. Push Suicide to the top, but not quite to the moon. Then, when Kaz is fit, bring him back, also as Suicide, let London and Kaz feud over the gimmick for a while, with the usual stuff, your an imposter, no you are the imposter, etc. etc. etc, ending in a blow off mask vs mask match. Kaz gets the win, unmasking London and showing his face for the first time in TNA since his WWE release. After this, continue to push Kaz as was initially intended, and debut Paul London as a face. Put over the fact that after being released from 'the other' company, he was too ashamed to show his face on tv, and felt that he wasn't good enough so decided to steal the gimmick. Then have him just work his way up the roster. If this was done right it could really get London over with the fans. On the other hand, this could also reak of the Fake Taker storyline, or the Fake Kane, or the million other imposter storylines that have been done. Anyway, that is just what I would do.

[cappyboy]

[QUOTE=wilts;521334]This hasn't been mentioned yet, but if I were TNA, I would snap up London ASAP. I think he is an amazingly talented worker that could bring a lot to the company, especially with the possibilities once Kaz returns as I see the 2 of them working amazingly together, which leads me on to my next point. So, I am TNA creative for a day, I have a great new talent in London, and Kaz who was ready for a push with a gimmick that is an integral part of our first game, and has got a good reaction from the audience, and London and Kaz just happen to be from the same mould, damn, what do I do. I know, debut London under the Suicide gimmick. Push Suicide to the top, but not quite to the moon. Then, when Kaz is fit, bring him back, also as Suicide, let London and Kaz feud over the gimmick for a while, with the usual stuff, your an imposter, no you are the imposter, etc. etc. etc, ending in a blow off mask vs mask match. Kaz gets the win, unmasking London and showing his face for the first time in TNA since his WWE release. After this, continue to push Kaz as was initially intended, and debut Paul London as a face. Put over the fact that after being released from 'the other' company, he was too ashamed to show his face on tv, and felt that he wasn't good enough so decided to steal the gimmick. Then have him just work his way up the roster. If this was done right it could really get London over with the fans. On the other hand, this could also reak of the Fake Taker storyline, or the Fake Kane, or the million other imposter storylines that have been done. Anyway, that is just what I would do.[/QUOTE] Awesome idea dude. It fits in beautifully with how the intro videos have been framing the character. There's already the question of just who is Suicide. London sweeping in and trying to steal the gimmick and playing imposter to the actual Suicide would just amp that up all the more. And that explanation of why London would do this is classic. Playing up his firing from "the other company" and feeling he'd blown his credibility to pieces could potentially be the greatest bit of character psychology since Owen In The Shadow. As many misgivings as I have about this Suicide character, if they did play it out this way, I would mark out like a young Hulkamaniac, Brother.

[wilts]

[QUOTE=cappyboy;521379]Awesome idea dude. It fits in beautifully with how the intro videos have been framing the character. There's already the question of just who is Suicide. London sweeping in and trying to steal the gimmick and playing imposter to the actual Suicide would just amp that up all the more. And that explanation of why London would do this is classic. Playing up his firing from "the other company" and feeling he'd blown his credibility to pieces could potentially be the greatest bit of character psychology since Owen In The Shadow. As many misgivings as I have about this Suicide character, if they did play it out this way, I would mark out like a young Hulkamaniac, Brother.[/QUOTE] Thanks, glad you liked the idea. Im just waiting for an updated mod (or maybe ill edit 1) so I can play it out in TEW. Only thing though, I thought this was the obvious way to go if they can get London in...did no1 else think this way?

[Masked Superstar]

[QUOTE=wilts;521334]This hasn't been mentioned yet, but if I were TNA, I would snap up London ASAP. I think he is an amazingly talented worker that could bring a lot to the company, especially with the possibilities once Kaz returns as I see the 2 of them working amazingly together, which leads me on to my next point. So, I am TNA creative for a day, I have a great new talent in London, and Kaz who was ready for a push with a gimmick that is an integral part of our first game, and has got a good reaction from the audience, and London and Kaz just happen to be from the same mould, damn, what do I do. I know, debut London under the Suicide gimmick. Push Suicide to the top, but not quite to the moon. Then, when Kaz is fit, bring him back, also as Suicide, let London and Kaz feud over the gimmick for a while, with the usual stuff, your an imposter, no you are the imposter, etc. etc. etc, ending in a blow off mask vs mask match. Kaz gets the win, unmasking London and showing his face for the first time in TNA since his WWE release. After this, continue to push Kaz as was initially intended, and debut Paul London as a face. Put over the fact that after being released from 'the other' company, he was too ashamed to show his face on tv, and felt that he wasn't good enough so decided to steal the gimmick. Then have him just work his way up the roster. If this was done right it could really get London over with the fans. On the other hand, this could also reak of the Fake Taker storyline, or the Fake Kane, or the million other imposter storylines that have been done. Anyway, that is just what I would do.[/QUOTE] Absolutely love it. Great idea man. It gives a solid introduction feud for London, and the most interesting thing Kaz has ever done coming back from injury. Who is Suicide? is the question they keep throwing at us and he will always just be some masked X division wrestler unless he is unmasked. With your idea the question actually has merit. I think they should fire Russo and hire wilts. Good thinking dude.

[wilts]

[QUOTE=Masked Superstar;521483]Absolutely love it. Great idea man. It gives a solid introduction feud for London, and the most interesting thing Kaz has ever done coming back from injury. Who is Suicide? is the question they keep throwing at us and he will always just be some masked X division wrestler unless he is unmasked. With your idea the question actually has merit. I think they should fire Russo and hire wilts. Good thinking dude.[/QUOTE] :D thanks.

[darthsiddus2]

that would indeed put the X Division back on the map. great idea man

[Remianen]

[QUOTE=darthsiddus2;521538]that would indeed put the X Division back on the map.[/QUOTE] Which is exactly why it won't happen (at least not in 08/09). TNA's focus right now is the literal, on-camera passing of the torch. They're fully committed to playing this entire storyline out until [B][I]at least[/I][/B] Bound for Glory 09. After that, there's a storyline planned (roughly, it's not finished or finalized yet) for a possible unification of the Legends and World title, depending on how well received the Legends title becomes. This isn't the X-Division's time yet. But, I will say that if they land London and Kaz comes back, along with a couple people they could import from Japan and maybe Mexico (assuming the burned bridge there is repaired), they could have a burgeoning crop of outstanding talent to do something with. Not that they don't have talent now but this isn't the same X Division that Daniels, Styles, Joe, and Lynn were once clumped in.

[wilts]

But who ever said that a company has to have just 1 storyline or 1 focus?