Mod Idea: What if Eddie Guerrero lived?

[Johnny Fenoli]

[CENTER][IMG]http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa302/Hustle808/eddie_guerrero.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER] I'm just finishing up reading Eddie Guerrero's biography. It's a pretty good read if you havent checked it out, do so. Anyway this got me thinking... what if one of my favorite wrestlers had never died? What would be the butterfly effect from changing that one moment? I was thinking this would be a cool mod to play around with for my own personal amusement, then thought maybe some others would like to play it as well. Should be really easy to take a current day mod and tweak it here and there to show what would happen. Thing is, I'd like to get the greatest community in the world's input. What do you guys think would happen if Eddie had not died? What all should I make sure was in the mod. [B]My Ideas[/B] (read some of these on another board) - I think he's still in the WWE probably on Smackdown. - He's 41 now, so he's definetly on his way down physically. - I'd make him an upper mid to main eventer, putting guys over into the main event spot. Kinda like Jake Roberts used to do... - Eddie wins the World Heavyweight Championship as he was rumored to be scheduled. - Rey Misterio never wins the World Heavyweight Championship. - Chris Benoit doesn't slip into a depression, there for he doesnt snap and kill himself and family? - Heel Eddie Guerrero vs Face Chris Benoit for the title at Wrestlemania 22? - WWE doesnt go extreme with their drug testing policy. - Kennedy becomes Vince's son? - Regal gets pushed. - Some of the people let go due to wellness violations never leave? ie Chris Masters... - Maybe some other's O.D. because this policy never goes into effect? - Maybe Eddie and Benoit both go over to ECW to train up the younger guys, as Chris was doing at the end? - If this happens, maybe Guerrero and Benoit get tired of doing that, and they go TNA? Dont think I see that one happening... What ideas do you guys have? Lay out your ideas... what would changing this ONE event do to the wrestling world as we know it today? I know Jimmy Shakerz is MIA, but I'd like to use his KnowYourRole mod as the base if I could...

[SasoreGatame]

Had Eddie lived (this much has been stated time and time again), he was going to win the WHC in that triple threat, and then was going to drop the belt to Orton at WM22. That being said, I would like to see said mod be made.

[shamelessposer]

[QUOTE=Johnny Fenoli;529520]- Chris Benoit doesn't slip into a depression, there for he doesnt snap and kill himself and family? [/QUOTE] While Eddie's death certainly didn't help things, Benoit's problems were almost certainly the result of years of head trauma. Best case scenario would probably have been the timeline getting pushed back or forward a little bit so that Benoit wasn't anywhere near his family when it happened, but one way or another he still would have ended up dead or in no mental condition to wrestle. Eddie's survival would have MAYBE been what it took for someone to realize that Benoit was having some serious problems, but even in that event he'd be retired.

[Johnny Fenoli]

[QUOTE=shamelessposer;529526]While Eddie's death certainly didn't help things, Benoit's problems were almost certainly the result of years of head trauma. Best case scenario would probably have been the timeline getting pushed back or forward a little bit so that Benoit wasn't anywhere near his family when it happened, but one way or another he still would have ended up dead or in no mental condition to wrestle.[/QUOTE] True, he might have even died sooner... Maybe he scaled back after Eddie died, and it was still too late. But, some people say it put him in a depression. Maybe Eddie talks him out of doing what he was doing drug wise since Eddie was apparently clean for awhile at that point.

[shamelessposer]

[QUOTE=Johnny Fenoli;529528]True, he might have even died sooner... Maybe he scaled back after Eddie died, and it was still too late. But, some people say it put him in a depression. Maybe Eddie talks him out of doing what he was doing drug wise since Eddie was apparently clean for awhile at that point.[/QUOTE] Whether or not he was depressed, depression wasn't what killed Benoit and his family. Depression [i]can[/i] lead a person to murder and suicide, but it probably wasn't the case in this specific situation. According to Benoit's father, medical experts who have reviewed his autopsy think the leading cause was brain damage. Assuming that information is correct, Benoit would have headed down the same path if he won the lottery and Eddie lived to be a hundred. The damage was already done. Leaving all of that aside, I've got to honestly say that I'm not sure it's in good taste to do a mod like the one you've suggested. Speculating on how wrestling would have changed if Eddie had lived is one thing, and turning it into a mod for a computer game is maybe of questionable taste... but spinning it into a mod which also speculates on Benoit's survival seems kind of ghoulish. I say this as a fan of the work of both men, and someone who isn't of the "I hope Benoit is burning in hell" school of "thought." Maybe a couple of years down the road my opinion on the subject will have changed, in much the same way it has on the idea of those mods in which Owen Hart survived, but it just doesn't seem appropriate to turn the subject matter into a form of entertainment. Don't worry, I'm not going to start spamming the mods with reports on this thread or questioning the moral fiber of people who don't see things my way. But I do hope that you consider my opinion.

[Johnny Fenoli]

[QUOTE=shamelessposer;529537]Whether or not he was depressed, depression wasn't what killed Benoit and his family. Depression [i]can[/i] lead a person to murder and suicide, but it probably wasn't the case in this specific situation. According to Benoit's father, medical experts who have reviewed his autopsy think the leading cause was brain damage. Assuming that information is correct, Benoit would have headed down the same path if he won the lottery and Eddie lived to be a hundred. The damage was already done. Leaving all of that aside, I've got to honestly say that I'm not sure it's in good taste to do a mod like the one you've suggested. Speculating on how wrestling would have changed if Eddie had lived is one thing, and turning it into a mod for a computer game is maybe of questionable taste... but spinning it into a mod which also speculates on Benoit's survival seems kind of ghoulish. I say this as a fan of the work of both men, and someone who isn't of the "I hope Benoit is burning in hell" school of "thought." Maybe a couple of years down the road my opinion on the subject will have changed, in much the same way it has on the idea of those mods in which Owen Hart survived, but it just doesn't seem appropriate to turn the subject matter into a form of entertainment. Don't worry, I'm not going to start spamming the mods with reports on this thread or questioning the moral fiber of people who don't see things my way. But I do hope that you consider my opinion.[/QUOTE] I'll agree with you, Benoit still snaps. But maybe that would cause Eddie to go ahed and retire from wrestling himself at that point? I dont mean to be morbid or distasteful. I just thought it would be interesting to play devils advocate, change one small detail about history and run with it. I mean it's not the first time something like this has been done. It's been done in several other forms of medias. If I offended you or anyone else that has read or will read this. I apologize.

[Tempest Kane]

^^^ What the guy above me said. Its one thing to make "what if" senario's in a dairy... its one thing to change history by playing a 1993 game and some how you managed to do 20 years of TCW turns and some how in your game some guy who is dead inrl is still alive and wrestling... Its totaly another to sit and think out in all this detail what may or may not have happened in the life and deaths of so many people who are surrounding such a sensative subject to the wrestling community... Theirs a reason theirs no mods out their with Owen Hart's potential world heavyweight title push senarios in them (and frankly if you look back at 1998 raw, if trips could manage it.. so could owen). Im not down with this at all.

[shamelessposer]

[QUOTE=Johnny Fenoli;529545]I'll agree with you, Benoit still snaps. But maybe that would cause Eddie to go ahed and retire from wrestling himself at that point? I dont mean to be morbid or distasteful. I just thought it would be interesting to play devils advocate, change one small detail about history and run with it. I mean it's not the first time something like this has been done. It's been done in several other forms of medias. If I offended you or anyone else that has read or will read this. I apologize.[/QUOTE] I'm not offended. There have been times in the past when you've said things on this forum which I didn't appreciate, but you're hardly the kind of person who'd say "Let's make an Eddie and Benoit mod" for the sake of trolling. It's just my personal opinion that no matter how much respect and care are involved in the production of a mod like this, it's still going to cover ground that isn't appropriate matter for a TEW mod. If you'd started up a thread in The Dog Pound discussing the possible outcomes of Eddie not dying, it would have been a fascinating read and I'd probably have joined in. But making it into an actual game takes the subject out of my own personal comfort zone. If you disagree then by all means go ahead and make the mod. It [i]is[/i] an interesting thought experiment. I just won't be playing it.

[G-Prime]

I don't see how it's disrespectful or morbid. It's an interesting mod, and I'd love to play it.

[djthefunkchris]

[QUOTE=G-Prime;529581]I don't see how it's disrespectful or morbid. It's an interesting mod, and I'd love to play it.[/QUOTE] ^^ This. It would be a totally fictional piece of work, and an interesting backstory with it... To me it's more inspirational than hurtfull... Takes away some of the hurt and replace's it with good thoughts instead. EXAMPLE: I have seen numerous movies (and read numerous books) over the years that takes one point in time, and changes one thing to create a totally different world. A couple of examples: "The One" and "Back to the future". Not to mention a few Star Trek shows. There was a book I read called "Another book of Job" or similar, that actually had multiple worlds based on idea's that changed the whole world in the same time periods in multiple planes of existance.... One world there was the United States, in another it was the States United, another they were still in colony form. Either way, it's not like this plotline hasn't been used multiple times in various fiction before, and in this case it's a positive outcome. I see nothing at all wrong with it.

[Nedew]

[QUOTE=G-Prime;529581]I don't see how it's disrespectful or morbid. It's an interesting mod, and I'd love to play it.[/QUOTE] Likewise (short of the playing it bit, real world isn't my thing). I just fail to understand how it's too far, I somehow doubt Benoit's dad would enjoy playing it but short of that, i don't know who wouldn't. Regardless, you didn't know the guy, you're a fan of his work but that's separate from his personality anyway. I like Gary Glitter's music, doesn't mean i applaud him bumming kids. Would you object to a country-running sim if it had a "if JFK wasn't killed" alternate mod? Or Lincoln for that matter?

[D16NJD16]

[QUOTE=Johnny Fenoli;529520][CENTER][IMG]http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa302/Hustle808/eddie_guerrero.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER] I'm just finishing up reading Eddie Guerrero's biography. It's a pretty good read if you havent checked it out, do so. Anyway this got me thinking... what if one of my favorite wrestlers had never died? What would be the butterfly effect from changing that one moment? I was thinking this would be a cool mod to play around with for my own personal amusement, then thought maybe some others would like to play it as well. Should be really easy to take a current day mod and tweak it here and there to show what would happen. Thing is, I'd like to get the greatest community in the world's input. What do you guys think would happen if Eddie had not died? What all should I make sure was in the mod. [B]My Ideas[/B] (read some of these on another board) - I think he's still in the WWE probably on Smackdown. - He's 41 now, so he's definetly on his way down physically. - I'd make him an upper mid to main eventer, putting guys over into the main event spot. Kinda like Jake Roberts used to do... - Eddie wins the World Heavyweight Championship as he was rumored to be scheduled. - Rey Misterio never wins the World Heavyweight Championship. - Chris Benoit doesn't slip into a depression, there for he doesnt snap and kill himself and family? - Heel Eddie Guerrero vs Face Chris Benoit for the title at Wrestlemania 22? - WWE doesnt go extreme with their drug testing policy. - Kennedy becomes Vince's son? - Regal gets pushed. - Some of the people let go due to wellness violations never leave? ie Chris Masters... - Maybe some other's O.D. because this policy never goes into effect? - Maybe Eddie and Benoit both go over to ECW to train up the younger guys, as Chris was doing at the end? - If this happens, maybe Guerrero and Benoit get tired of doing that, and they go TNA? Dont think I see that one happening... What ideas do you guys have? Lay out your ideas... what would changing this ONE event do to the wrestling world as we know it today? I know Jimmy Shakerz is MIA, but I'd like to use his KnowYourRole mod as the base if I could...[/QUOTE] Most of the thnigs you listed had more to do with Benoit then Eddie. The Kennedy storyline idea soley for example

[BurningHamster]

I've given it some thought and well ... Vickie Guerrero doesn't end up on TV There are a few more good wrestling matches in the last few years That's about all I came up with. Not a huge fan of "what if" style mods to be honest, some are done well but most just seem a little too contrived.

[G-Prime]

[QUOTE=Nedew;529589] Would you object to a country-running sim if it had a "if JFK wasn't killed" alternate mod? Or Lincoln for that matter?[/QUOTE] Or my personal favourite, the ever-popular 'What if the ****s had won WWII?' that has pervaded modern culture. One would assume that is much more offensive than this.

[Stennick]

I agree I see more Benoit not doing what he did (its still so weird to even think of my childhood hero in that context). Anyway it seems to lean towards Benoit living more than Eddie.

[SaySo]

The story should go: Eddie Guerrero was diagnosed with an ailment in November 2005. Doctors told him he was never going to wrestle again. However, the diagnosis couldn't keep Eddie's heart from the profession he loved. Eddie returned to professional wrestling to conquer the future uncertainty.

[rodzillahotrod]

i wouldn't mind playing it, honestly its just a game and if people don't like it don't play it. im not trying to be rude and appologize if i come off like it. but things happen in life for a reason and thats y people plays game and read books like this to get out of reality. its a souly fictional game he's not trying to offended anyone he wants to help the community out with another mod and make people relive (depending on the date its set for) and change the wrestling world. honestly man just go with it make the mod if people complain so what at least u know u put ur heart into it and theirs atleast one guy playing it out and thats me.