How would you have ended the nWo?

[Sarcasm]

It seems as if the main problem with the nWo is that WCW creative didn't know how to end the nWo or for that matter what would they do with the wrestlers after it ended so I'm wondering how would you have ended the nWo before it got too stale?

[BIGJOSH]

[QUOTE=Sarcasm;537575]It seems as if the main problem with the nWo is that WCW creative didn't know how to end the nWo or for that matter what would they do with the wrestlers after it ended so I'm wondering how would you have ended the nWo before it got too stale?[/QUOTE] At Starrcade 98 they should have done a best of 7 NWO vs. WCW...the winner would have to disband. It winds up 3 wins against 3 wins going into the main event Nash vs. Goldberg Goldberg wins and the NWO must disband.

[masterded]

[QUOTE=BIGJOSH;537763]At Starrcade 98 they should have done a best of 7 NWO vs. WCW...the winner would have to disband. It winds up 3 wins against 3 wins going into the main event Nash vs. Goldberg Goldberg wins and the NWO must disband.[/QUOTE] Boo, I have always dislike Goldberg. When Nash beat him I was so happy seeing as Nash has been one of my favorites if not my favorite wrestler for quite some time. Though the idea of a Starrcade of WCW vs nWo for disbandment I quite like. Though Hogan vs Sting should be what it comes down to with a clean win.

[BIGJOSH]

[QUOTE=masterded;537780]Boo, I have always dislike Goldberg. When Nash beat him I was so happy seeing as Nash has been one of my favorites if not my favorite wrestler for quite some time. Though the idea of a Starrcade of WCW vs nWo for disbandment I quite like. Though Hogan vs Sting should be what it comes down to with a clean win.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm not fond of Nash vs. Goldberg in general...I was just keeping the same ME from Starrcade 98 in place. I honestly would have had it be Hogan vs. Sting as well..the only problem is that those guys faced off at Starrcade 97. Other people who could have defended the "honor" of WCW would be DDP, Bret Hart or Ric Flair.

[masterded]

[QUOTE=BIGJOSH;537782]Yeah I'm not fond of Nash vs. Goldberg in general...I was just keeping the same ME from Starrcade 98 in place. I honestly would have had it be Hogan vs. Sting as well..the only problem is that those guys faced off at Starrcade 97. Other people who could have defended the "honor" of WCW would be DDP, Bret Hart or Ric Flair.[/QUOTE] Though out of the three I would want to see DDP Flair would be quite logical. Hart on the other hand would be the last guy to pick, you don't want a guy people still thinking of as a WWF guy being the one to save WCW.

[GatorBait19]

DDP, I could see, Flair doubtful because Bischoff hates Flair and misused him in WCW even though he carried it on his back forever, and Hart wasn't truly a WCW guy like the other two, he was famous because of WWF not WCW, and plus wasn't he a heel at the time? So it would have to be Sting or DDP The final match in my opinion should have been the man who made NWO, Hogan vs the man who had been in more Main events (10 times) at Starrcade Ric Flair

[Tha Black Phenom]

Woulda had Goldberg go all John Cena on their asses and spear the nWo apart. Lol, I was such a Goldberg mark when I was little.

[NickC13573]

[QUOTE=Tha Black Phenom;538033]Woulda had Goldberg go all John Cena on their asses and spear the nWo apart. Lol, I was such a Goldberg mark when I was little.[/QUOTE] the way they built him, probably would have worked

[BIGJOSH]

In my ideal world the Wolfpac never would have started and the best of seven at Starrcade would have looked like this... TV Title Match Konnan (c) vs. Rey Mysterio - Konnan wins Chris Benoit vs. Curt Hennig - Hennig wins Scott Steiner vs. Diamond Dallas Page - DDP wins US Title Match Bret Hart (c) vs. The Giant - Bret Hart wins Randy Savage vs. Goldberg - Goldberg wins WCW Tag Team Title Match Sting and Lex Luger vs. The Outsiders (c) - The Outsiders win when Luger walks out on Sting WCW World Heavyweight Title Match Ric Flair vs. Hollywood Hogan (c) - Flair wins and ends the NWO

[tristram]

[QUOTE=BIGJOSH;538045]In my ideal world the Wolfpac never would have started and the best of seven at Starrcade would have looked like this... TV Title Match Konnan (c) vs. Rey Mysterio - Konnan wins Chris Benoit vs. Curt Hennig - Hennig wins Scott Steiner vs. Diamond Dallas Page - DDP wins US Title Match Bret Hart (c) vs. The Giant - Bret Hart wins Randy Savage vs. Goldberg - Goldberg wins WCW Tag Team Title Match Sting and Lex Luger vs. The Outsiders (c) - The Outsiders win when Luger walks out on Sting WCW World Heavyweight Title Match Ric Flair vs. Hollywood Hogan (c) - Flair wins and ends the NWO[/QUOTE] I can understand the Wolfpack from one point of view in that it gave Kevin Nash more camera time, more 'shtick time, and frankly he deserved both. It made him a cornerstone main eventer. So the premise of having Nash lead a fun-babyface group is solid. But to me 'nWo' Wolfpack and then nWo B Squad or whatever you want to call them just ... it deplored what a good stable should be. ELITE. The nWo lost it's face value. Then when you have the Horsemen come into try and break up the nWo you kinda feel disillusioned because whose who anymore. The nWo was one of the greatest stories ever, until it got too big, until Starrcade '97 when Hogan cut WCW's legs from under it by sabottaging Sting for his own good, and until it split and tried to keep something rolling that the fans didn't want to push anymore.

[BIGJOSH]

[QUOTE=tristram;538054]I can understand the Wolfpack from one point of view in that it gave Kevin Nash more camera time, more 'shtick time, and frankly he deserved both. It made him a cornerstone main eventer. So the premise of having Nash lead a fun-babyface group is solid. But to me 'nWo' Wolfpack and then nWo B Squad or whatever you want to call them just ... it deplored what a good stable should be. ELITE. The nWo lost it's face value. Then when you have the Horsemen come into try and break up the nWo you kinda feel disillusioned because whose who anymore. The nWo was one of the greatest stories ever, until it got too big, until Starrcade '97 when Hogan cut WCW's legs from under it by sabottaging Sting for his own good, and until it split and tried to keep something rolling that the fans didn't want to push anymore.[/QUOTE] In my world Nash would have got that after the NWO ended. Hogan would have blamed Nash for the downfall of the NWO because he didn't come to his aid against Flair. Nash would have said that the NWO would still be in existence if Hogan wasn't a washed up, orange-skinned hack! Nash instantly becomes a face from that bit of interaction. Hogan and Nash would have feuded with Hall siding with Hogan which causes The Outsiders to lose the tag belts. Nash would have won a match with number one contendership on the line at Souled Out. At Superbrawl IX Nash would have beat Flair to become the WCW World Champ. Nash would go on to defend against Hall, Goldberg, Steiner and Luger before losing the belt to DDP at Bash At The Beach.

[tristram]

At that stage of his career, I sort of agree with something self says in another post (and remember, I'm a massive Flair fan), that Flair probably isn't a credible champion for WCW... I could buy Ric as a transitional champion, but I think more along the lines of Sting, Page, Giant perhaps as being better face champions in early 1998. One of the other reasons I say that is because Ric had been poorly booked for a couple of years that I would find it difficult to see him resume his legendary main event status to end the nWo. I think the nWo was supposed to be a revolution, so it's end should be to revolutionise a new superstar, not to turn back to the same old recipe. Flair should definitely be in the mix, but to coin a TEW term, I don't think as the main subject or catalyst would be the best fit at that stage of his career.

[wilts]

[QUOTE=tristram;538054]I can understand the Wolfpack from one point of view in that it gave Kevin Nash more camera time, more 'shtick time, and frankly he deserved both. It made him a cornerstone main eventer. So the premise of having Nash lead a fun-babyface group is solid. But to me 'nWo' Wolfpack and then nWo B Squad or whatever you want to call them just ... it deplored what a good stable should be. ELITE. The nWo lost it's face value. Then when you have the Horsemen come into try and break up the nWo you kinda feel disillusioned because whose who anymore. The nWo was one of the greatest stories ever, until it got too big, until Starrcade '97 when Hogan cut WCW's legs from under it by sabottaging Sting for his own good, and until it split and tried to keep something rolling that the fans didn't want to push anymore.[/QUOTE] I didn't mind the Wolfpack too much. I loved the music, and Nash has charisma to burn and needed an outlet for it. The only real problem I had with it, well, 2 problems I has were A. It seemed like a bit of a rush job to me, and B. Sting!!!! He should never, EVER have alligned with any form of the nWo! I can understand possibly trying to tempt him because of his friendship with Luger, but I can't imaging he would ever have joined, especially given that only a few weeks ago the leader of the wolfpack was probably number 2 on Stings hit-list. I don't know where I would have ended it, but I know I would have taken it in a completely different direction, where the likes of Scott Norton and Horace 'The Horse' Hogan don't end up as part of 1 of the biggest storylines in wrestling history. After the formation at the beach, I would have had Sting, Luger and Savage demand a rematch in a true 3 vs 3 with no suprises. Drag the feud out a big and play on Hogan vs Savage, have the stip that if nWo win, they own savage, blah blah blah, etc etc etc, in all honesty, for me the nWo probably would have been over and done with inside 2 years, with only a select group of maybe 5 of 6 guys joining.

[tristram]

Yeah, you're right on Sting. Again I think with Sting they put him in it because they wanted him to start showing his 'surfer boy' type charismas. But, it was too soon. For the last year and a bit you've watched the guy almost singlehandedly defy the nWo, he's the one guy who you bank on, and then when he becomes a babyface for the nWo, albeit Wolfpack, WCW v nWo has lost it's groove. I dare say I loved Sting move just hanging from the rafters than at any other stage of his career, he said more with no words than with any charismatic burst.

[Comradebot]

Personally, I would've had Chris Benoit snap, choke Kevin Nash and Hulk Hogan to death, and then hang himself.

[keefmoon]

[QUOTE=Sarcasm;537575]It seems as if the main problem with the nWo is that WCW creative didn't know how to end the nWo or for that matter what would they do with the wrestlers after it ended[/QUOTE] I don't think this was the real issue with the nWo. I think the real issue was after the original bit had worn off they didn't know what to do with it. From what I understand, wrestlers got fed up of jobbing to the nWo and it just got bloated. Any attempts to kill it were made to look stupid. And it wasn't a question of how to end it as much as if they would, because it kept dragging along, then split in to the two nWo's and yet no-one new particularly got over because of it. I know Nash looked like more of a star, but he didn't need the nWo angles of 98/99 to get over. He already was and his charisma would have just elevated that. However, to end it, you have to start at the beginning of the end. Sting should have gone over clean at Starrcade 97. That's a no brainer. the nWo had been going good and proper for a good 18 months, it had been good, but you genuinely got the feeling that the Stinger was going to finish them off. If he had gone over cleanly and exerted his dominance after that, the nWo would have been weakened, leading to the belief that maybe they could get beaten. From there, I would have had the Horsemen reform and start an all out gang war with the nWo. At Fall Brawl, in a War Games match, nWo vs Horsemen (Flair, Benoit and Malenko, yet I've never been sure of the fourth, until Tristram made a good case for Goldberg, which once you get over preconceptions is actually a very good idea), with Sting joining the Horsemen for this match to make up the 5. Either the stipulation is loser disbands or after this the Horsemen decide the time for the nWo to end is now, so a Horsemen (Goldberg or Benoit) or Sting faces the WCW Champion (nWo member) for the WCW Title at Starrcade. Goldberg/Benoit/Sting wins, nWo disbanded after a big match the fans want to see, and you either have Goldberg or Benoit cemnted as main eventers or Sting as a legend and voila. But that's just me.

[Stennick]

Starracde 97 Sting vs. Hogan, Sting beats Hogan fair and square. Hogan claims Starrcade the crown jewel of WCW isn't neutral ground its WCW territory. He says he gets his rematch and his rematch will be in nWo land. nWo Souled Out Hogan vs. Sting II Hogan vs. Sting at Souled Out, Sting battles through the entire nWo before finally making an nWo ref count a reluctant three count on Hogan. The next night Hogan announces his retirement from pro wrestling. Savage, Nash, Hall are all in chaos. They all claim to be the leader of the nWo and they agree whoever beats Sting is the leader. Savage goes first losing to Sting, then Hall, then Nash. While all of this is going on Bret Hart is upset he came here for two reasons, to destroy the nWo and to become World Champion. He feels Sting is using the nWo as a reason to duck him. Sting retains the title going into July's Bash at the Beach of that year where Sting agrees to give Bret Hart his first ever WCW Title match. At Bash at the Beach Hogan makes his return and beats up Hart and Sting. Hogan says that if the nWo wins this years War Games Hogan gets an automatic shot at the title, Sting counters with if he LOSES the nWo disbands for good. Bret Hart and Sting both find a way to make Hogan submit in the War Games match. Although the nWo is now disbanded Hart and Sting are both taking credit for the end of nWo. At Halloween Havoc to Sting vs. Hogan vs. Hart Elimination match. Sting takes out Hogan, but then Hart makes Sting submit in a non title match. That would lead to a Face vs. Face Hart vs. Sting Starrcade 98 Sharpshooter vs. Deathlock, former face of WWF vs. face of WCW, The two men that destroyed the nWo. Thats obviously just a rough outline of how I would have done the main story with of course using guys like Goldberg, DDP, Flair, Benoit, etc adding in some drama for the upper and mid card.