Spyridon Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 This is a topic that all of you veteran players might find amusing, but I would really like to get feedback. Any Feedback is apreciated! Thank you very much for reeding before hand. Product: Key: Traditional, Mainstreem, Comedy None: All others aspects of wrestling! Match Ratio:90% T&A: None Face/Heel: Strong Difficulty: Rock Hard Area Of Foundation : Tri State (USA) Use of Editor: None other than updating Biographies. Player Avatar: The Great Destroyer, All Skills to 100%, Worldwide Reputation at 100%, since the begining of the Game. 20 years old. A bit of the history: I started as a Local show and with wrestlers with wages of 150, I had no problem rising to Small in just 2 shows. When on Small with a couple of 800 wage additions I was able to put up 2 shows per month, one in Tri State and One in Mid South. As a result I was able to reach Reginal really quickly, sign wrestlers with 3000 to 1000 salary, and then rise two areas at D, (Tri State at D+ actually) in just 4 years. I paid around 30000 Wages per show, sponsors gave me 50.000 or something so I reached a healthy treasury of 350.000. Then... The rise to Cult size brought a Production cost of 350.000$ (adding all the costs, TV show on the East Coast. Wages, Travelling, Inssurance etc...), at the same time Sponsors (my main source of income) gave me just 150.000 dollars. As a result I went bankrupt in just two months. So... The question is what did I do wrong? Did I rushed to rise to Cult? Should I obtain a Fame of at least B- in Tri State before moving to Cult? By The Way I had no problems providing A Shows with my guys (B+ was a steady and lowest outcome). Didn't I used the TV right? (signing on East Coast TV, provided ratings of 0.01 to 0.02 with A shows). I did not mentioned above that I could not gain a PPV contract. ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED, THANKS FOR ANY INFO!
FINisher Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 That tends to happen with going to Cult from time to time. I usually back up my saves in each month so that I would able to reverse the direction the company is heading if something disastrous comes up, like going into Cult. Most notably the two region rise to Cult is certain death to any promotion. Just keep that one region above everything, maybe from C- to B- so that you have that one region from where to get the money you need., and slowly build your pop. up all around the country you are in. TV-contract is no use if you don't have a PPV deal, which could have saved you on that game, or atleast the losses wouldn't have been so huge in the end. I cursed the day when my WEXXV went to Cult and soon after to bankrupt. I cheated, editing the cash but felt so bad afterwards that I could not continue the game and the diary I was writing. Now that I'm playing BBW I've learned from my mistakes and I'm in no rush going into Cult status, knowing the difficulties it brings within. 1. PPV deal > TV deal 2. All around popularity with the big region pop > just two regions in the D pop. 3. Save money.
pepper2008 Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 What kind of money are you getting via TV? Whats the wrestling industry? Have you maxed the prices of your tickets? Have you increased the size of your Monthly events because Cult can have Big events? How many downsides do you have in your contracts, which is one of the biggest killer? You could minimize the number of wrestlers? Do you have a Drug Testing Policy? Being Cult does not mean financial death, its just how quickly you can estimate your expenses. But a TV show and PPV are big production expenses.
Phantom Stranger Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 Being Cult does not mean financial death, its just how quickly you can estimate your expenses. But a TV show and PPV are big production expenses. Rushing to Cult tends to - you don't have the popularity spread to stay afloat.
Comradebot Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 Seeing as how my beloved EWA is less than a year away from hitting Cult... How much money per month should you be making at Regional before you pop up to Cult?
Phantom Stranger Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 Seeing as how my beloved EWA is less than a year away from hitting Cult... How much money per month should you be making at Regional before you pop up to Cult? In part, it depends how long you've been stockpiling it, how popular you are outside the big two regions (for things like getting PPVs and getting PPV revenue out of them) and how the industry's doing, so it's difficult to say.
Comradebot Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 In part, it depends how long you've been stockpiling it, how popular you are outside the big two regions (for things like getting PPVs and getting PPV revenue out of them) and how the industry's doing, so it's difficult to say. Awesome... good to know that my mad rush for popularity earlier on might bite me in the ass. EWA currently has C- pop in Central Europe and E+ in both Scandinavia and Mediterranean (D+ imporantce in Central Europe, E importance in the other two). Rough estimates show that, should I continue to put on shows of the quality that I have been, the Mediterranean region should hit D importance in about half a year, and I should be able to push that C- in Central Europe up to a C. Currently, EWA is also earning about 60k per month, but given how hard I pushed earlier I only have about 250k in the bank right now (which was just enough to stop Byron from canning me). So, unless that changes I'll have more than half a million in the bank upon hitting Cult. And, finally, my new TV deal (yes, EWA has a TV show!!!! And appears to be the reason I'm making such fat bank.) extends out to Eastern Europe and across all of the UK. While it might be disastrous to actually hold my televised events from any of those locations, should I start holding the occaisonal Small, 1 hour event at some of them to help build and maintain the popularity that is slowing growing? If so, should I try and hit as many as I can, or say focus only on the bigger markets (South UK, for example). Actually building a company up is a bit of new territory for me, so I'd appreciate some help to insure my favorite game ever doesn't end with the brutal demise of EWA.
Phantom Stranger Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 Awesome... good to know that my mad rush for popularity earlier on might bite me in the ass. EWA currently has C- pop in Central Europe and E+ in both Scandinavia and Mediterranean (D+ imporantce in Central Europe, E importance in the other two). Rough estimates show that, should I continue to put on shows of the quality that I have been, the Mediterranean region should hit D importance in about half a year, and I should be able to push that C- in Central Europe up to a C. Currently, EWA is also earning about 60k per month, but given how hard I pushed earlier I only have about 250k in the bank right now (which was just enough to stop Byron from canning me). So, unless that changes I'll have more than half a million in the bank upon hitting Cult. And, finally, my new TV deal (yes, EWA has a TV show!!!! And appears to be the reason I'm making such fat bank.) extends out to Eastern Europe and across all of the UK. While it might be disastrous to actually hold my televised events from any of those locations, should I start holding the occaisonal Small, 1 hour event at some of them to help build and maintain the popularity that is slowing growing? If so, should I try and hit as many as I can, or say focus only on the bigger markets (South UK, for example). Actually building a company up is a bit of new territory for me, so I'd appreciate some help to insure my favorite game ever doesn't end with the brutal demise of EWA. If your TV show is currently making you money, cool. So long as that stays the case the costs won't hurt so much. Plus you'll be building popularity elsewhere, albeit more slowly. You already have three regions that will be producing solid bank (assuming here that you develop Eastern Europe at the same rate as the Mediterranean). Not having the game in front of me this second, I can't say for sure that the easiest PPV to get EWA onto covers the UK - if so, work on South UK, for the extra importance and spillover into the rest of the UK, but if not, obviously, put more into getting Scandinavia or wherever will help you get that deal up. I can't promise that'll solve it, but it'll damn sure buy you more time to save yourself.
pepper2008 Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 Try also to anticipate your growth to Cult, to a good Wrestling Industry and Economy, everything helps... If your TV shows cover any region, you dont need to visit them, the TV will take care of it. You will just waste time and money by visiting those regions which you are not popular
bobinc Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 Something you can look to, to cut costs or increase revenue is your TV & PPV deals some may let you go with 90% revenue split or even split some production costs.
Phantom Stranger Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 If your TV shows cover any region, you dont need to visit them, the TV will take care of it. You will just waste time and money by visiting those regions which you are not popular False. If you don't broadcast from there, a quick show will boost your popularity in that region again. This, coupled with the rise from TV, equals a faster rise in popularity. When you're shoring up popularity in tertiary regions before a raise in size, this can turn out to be indispensible - more ratings, which means more merchandise, more PPV buys, etc.
Comradebot Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 False. If you don't broadcast from there, a quick show will boost your popularity in that region again. This, coupled with the rise from TV, equals a faster rise in popularity. When you're shoring up popularity in tertiary regions before a raise in size, this can turn out to be indispensible - more ratings, which means more merchandise, more PPV buys, etc. Not to mention, if you don't visit the location EVENTUALLY your popularity there will start to erode. That's the number one reason for people using TCW or SWF and having them plummet to Cult seemingly overnight.
Scorpio3060 Posted December 11, 2008 Posted December 11, 2008 I had this happen to me with a local company I had created. I could not get a TV or PPV deal. To solve this, I quit as Head Booker, opened my own Cult Promotion and within the year, I bought out my previous employer. Now I could have my former boss lose to whoever I wanted.
Spyridon Posted December 12, 2008 Author Posted December 12, 2008 Thanks everyone for their answers. Now to my comments or information To Pantaloons. I used the editor for 3 months just to see if the TV show was the problem. The production cost dropped from 150.000 to 75.000 but total expenses (275.000) are stil less than sponsors and tickets (150.000) so that means that I am still loosing big! To FINIsher : *That's what I am working right now! I am trying to build a B- Region. Maybe that will help! *All my shows were small. I will try making bigger now! *I tried to get a PPV contract but every Network turned me down! To pepper2008 : * My TV contract doesn't give me any money! The networks owns 100% of the ads and I have 100% cost of the show! *I haven't maxed out the price of the tickets by +3. But even if I would, I couldn't fill a gap of 150.000 dollars. *Downsides I have yes, but I work all of my wrestlers at least once per month. Wages are about 70.000 and the problem doesn't come from there. *I am running the company with the ideal number of wrestlers. *I do not have any drug protection program. Hence no money spent there!
FINisher Posted December 12, 2008 Posted December 12, 2008 You can actually increase the ticket prizes +4 in all the sliders. If you had done that right from the start you could have a lot more money. But, it's still a quite new game and it has gained a lot of new players, and they will learn to play the game the same way all of us did back then. For the show size that you mentioned, if your popularity in a region is in D/D+, you can easily switch to Medium size as you would gain much more profit from those than from Small size. Try to test the size for yourself, and calculate the size you should use for certain region, ie. which gives you more profit: Small/Medium/Big size event. Your only hope seems to be that big region where you are most popular in.
pepper2008 Posted December 12, 2008 Posted December 12, 2008 1. Try to get rid of your tv show, asap. Its just expensive way to gain quick popularity. Never accept TV shows that wont let you profit, better wait for next season. Or you could try the graveyard slot ,they usually allow some profit and expense sharing 2. Finisher is right focus on your most popular regions and always increase the ticket sliders by +4 at the start 3. Try to remove some expendable workers with downsides. 4. If you have excess non-wrestlers just get rid of them. You only need one road agent and referee. You dont really need managers, personality and authority figure. Guess your promotion is not favorable to sponsorship.
Blackman Posted December 12, 2008 Posted December 12, 2008 This is indeed the most efficiënt way to play, but I find it a big pity that things should be this way. Most people here will agree that Cult is WAY too hard. I now created a new promotion with favourable sponsorship, and again, I fail in losing less then 100K a month. It's just undoable. The popularity in the other regions dropped very hard since I only did shows at the east coast. But even east coast popularity of D on average doesn't seem to be enough for a PPV deal. A pity indeed. The fact that a lot of people are adjusting their playing style on the fact that Cult status is certain death is a sign that the game isn't going in a right direction. We're specifically avoiding popularity so we won't rise in status. It's not realistic imo. In my last game, OLLIE even went out of business. As far as I know this is the first time this happened in a game. They have super-favorable sponsorship and went out of business, handing over the monopoly and talent base to MPWF.
Thomnipotent Posted December 13, 2008 Posted December 13, 2008 I honestly thing that the entire Cultastrophe dilemma has given us TEW 'vets' something new to think about which is, uh, good. It's showing us that concentrating all of our efforts into one or two regions just isn't going to cut it once Cult rolls around, and almost begs us to more evenly distribute our efforts. Honestly, I can survive Cult status financially. You just have to be careful of how much money you're giving your workers. Naturally. And be sure your merchandise is in check, make sure you're using popular workers who are going to sell merch at your shows. Things like that. Of course there's going to be a heck of a hill to climb between being a Regional entity and a National one, and that's what Cult is there for. All it takes to make the climb is some financial conservatism, caution and foresight. I love the challenge, to be honest.
FINisher Posted December 13, 2008 Posted December 13, 2008 The only thing different this time is that the jump from Regional to Cult is a much slower process. It's realistic to build up the overall popularity all over the nation before going into Cult, having just met the bare requirements of that certain size. And in the long term it certainly helps when you are trying to get those TV and PPV deals. With the new finances and how the wrestlers will handle the negotiations, things are much more interesting and challenging. I love it. Every bit of challenge in the game, I like it.
Blackman Posted December 13, 2008 Posted December 13, 2008 I managed to remain on status quo for a month, due to the sudden appearance of a PPV deal at the very last moment. I now do a weekly PPV that rates 0.02 (like 5K a week more) but the revenue alone is enough to pay the bill.
Spyridon Posted December 19, 2008 Author Posted December 19, 2008 Guys! Problem solved! By concentrating on one region (Tri State) and by Achieving B+ popularity there, and finally by raising the price of the tickets by +4 in comparison to default price, and dropping the TV Show, I finally cut profit now! Who knows, with a bit of patience, I might even get my TV show back! Thanks anyone for their help.
pepper2008 Posted December 19, 2008 Posted December 19, 2008 Good job the +4 price increase from the default price is a most in every new game;)
FINisher Posted December 19, 2008 Posted December 19, 2008 Guys! Problem solved! By concentrating on one region (Tri State) and by Achieving B+ popularity there, and finally by raising the price of the tickets by +4 in comparison to default price, and dropping the TV Show, I finally cut profit now! Who knows, with a bit of patience, I might even get my TV show back! Thanks anyone for their help. That is great to hear, have a good one
Hyde Hill Posted December 20, 2008 Posted December 20, 2008 Dont forget not to exhaust the tri state area eg 2 shows max a month so when you do get your tv show make sure you have a good secondary area lined up and once go ppv preferbly 3 areas. Good to hear your hanging in there the jump from regional to cult and from cult to national is the hardest bit in game imho especially if you play without pacts.
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