SWF Main Eventers

[Eisen-verse]

In the SWF there are obvious superstars who are considered the past, present, and future of the company. While booking the SWF though... Who ends up being your big players in the end?

 

Do you push Marc DuBois or Remo to the moon right away so you can throw him into the main event scene?

 

Do you give Christian Faith his second.... Third... Fourth... 16th.... "Final Run" with a title reign?

 

Do you push Vengeance, Runaway Train, and/or any other big men within the company much like the WWE does to mow over everyone?

 

Push Angry Gilmore to the moon seeing how he's not only talented on the mic but also in the ring?

 

 

Within my SWF games, I typically keep DuBois in the "Shooting Star" division for awhile so it doesn't seem like I'm giving him a super push... however... Go with the idea that he will be the "future" of the company.

 

From there, Rich Money and Angry Gilmore pretty much run the show with Vengeance working more from an entertainment stand-point.

 

Runaway Train acts as a grizzled veteran working with younger workers and normally beating them... however... helping them get over in the end. Not really with low card wrestlers but rather those midcarders that I want to see possibly move up the chain.

 

On top of that, Jack Bruce pretty much runs with the title for awhile in the beginning. His entertainment values and persona make me love him in an SE company. However, in the end, once he loses the title... He ends up floundering in the main event... Only working gimmick storylines that make him look more like a fool than anything. haha.

[Mattlore Devious]

What do you do with Faith?

[Eisen-verse]

What do you do with Faith?

 

In previous games I typically push him as the Super Face in the beginning of it all... Having him go up against most of the big name heels who aren't via'ing for Bruce and the title. Going up against people like Vengeance and most commonly working an extensive campaign with Remo to get him over enough... Plus bring some depth to the character.

 

My last game, however, I turned him heel pretty soon after the game started after he had lost the title to Angry Gilmore in the role of a transitional champ. It pissed him off so much that he became hell bent on others NEEDING to show him respect... And having matches where after he won... He forced the loser to bow down and praise him. this would set up great feuds when the face superstar wouldn't do so... and Faith would instead beat it into him.

 

I even had him team up with Brandon James and a heel Jack Giedroyc... Calling the stable "The Hated Few".

[Bigpapa42]

Well, this is from my SWF diary game, so...

 

I absolutely keep Faith in the main event scene. He's probably my single most consistent worker. Plus, he jobs pretty willingly. Even got lucky that he has good tag chemistry with another top worker, Lobster Warrior (Chris Morrisette in my game). He's given zero signs of slowing down so far, and I would have no issue with putting a belt on him. I use him on almost every show, often with midcard guys as he has the stats to help out the young guys develop. If I used exclusively against upper card guys, he'd be averaging even better than the B+ he is right now and probably be a shoe-in for Wrestler of the Year.

 

Angry Gilmore isn't far behind. He's basically Supreme's version of the Tommy Cornell - great wrestler, great mic skills, and so many gimmick options. Works as a face or a heel.

 

I gave a big push to Vengeance but I haven't quite trusted him enough to put a belt on him. He's good, not quite great. And when you have great workers in the main event scene... He may get a chance soon enough, though.

 

Brandon James is much the same.

 

Steve Frehley and Remo are both in the same both - quite good, quite young, but not quite on the level of the top talents just yet. Their popularity alone keeps them at the top, but its tough to push them above the other top guys off the start as they won't necessarily carry matches in the same way.

 

I got Runaway Train out of the main event scene in a hurry. I'm not going to bury him and not looking to get rid of him. Always keep him with decent overness, and his Menace makes him awesome in an enforcer role.

 

I ended up getting Marc DuBois and Randy Bumfhole into the main event scene quicker than intended. Both seem to have good Destiny stats, based on the initial Creative Meeting notes. No ill effects so far, but that could change long term. I have the North American championship on DuBois at the moment and he seems to be doing okay with it.

 

I see Bruce as similar to Faith in that he's a wrestler the fans just plain love. Especially given his flashy style. I don't find Bruce is necessarily able to carry matches on his own against much lesser opponensts all the time, like Faith can. But he's still a star. I got him up to 100% popularity through the entire US. Not many workers can get that level of popularity, even in the US.

 

Marginal main event guys like Enygma, Joe Sexy, and Squeeky McClean are pretty useful, I find. They are useful to keep strong and keep in decent storylines.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I just started an SWF game and IDK what to do...

 

I normally play as the smaller feds.

 

This is in my mod that's basically the standard CVerse but with an addition Cult fed with a few good workers to start in it.

 

So far, I know I'm actually going to try pushing Knuckles and Shady K... The only reason is that my user character starts with a "Street Thug" gimmick and I'll make him their manager. They're going to go into a long and terrible feud with the Bumfholes...

 

Any suggestions for people who use SWF often? I may send Christian Faith to help train the developing talent and bring him back after my first major feud ends to lots of fanfare. I may run a mini feud with Eric Eisen where Faith gets "fired" first.

[Stennick]

I hear all the time the SWF is easy to play. I disagree. Your what about B popularity all over the states which means you gotta be putting on B or higher shows every week.

 

Sending Faith down to developmental and pushing Shady and Knuckles out of the gate in my opinion are not good moves.

 

Christian Faith is an amazing worker, highly over, he'll job easily. This guy needs to be on every show putting on B matches in the semi or main.

 

Shady K and Knuckles are so very not over. Putting them in matches will result in E match ratings I have almost no doubt about it.

 

Vengeance and Runaway Train or popular and have an A in menance. Use them as big, bad, monsters.

 

Jack Bruce, Rich Money, Remo, Steve Frehley, Lobster Warrior, these guys are all highly over and you can pretty much interject any of the faces with heels and get a B or higher match rating.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I have plenty of Main Eventers besides Faith to work with. So long as my weekly main event is good, I can pull at least a B without problems.

[Bigpapa42]

I have plenty of Main Eventers besides Faith to work with. So long as my weekly main event is good, I can pull at least a B without problems.

 

The problem you'll run into is that you'll get matches between main eventers that is only a B- sometimes, because both workers lack Psychology, Selling, or have bad chemistry.

 

Its your call. But you are seriously wasting one of your best talents. In my current SWF game, Faith has been my best worker. More consistent than Rich Money, Jack Bruce, or Angry Gilmore. He got my only A* match, which was with Rocky Golden (?!?). Having good trainers in development is important, but guys like Steve Flash and Larry Wood will suffice quite well.

 

One thing I've found that works well with the SWF is protecting your main eventers. If you can avoid having them job too often, it keeps their momentum up. Use them properly in terms of angles, give them wins over midcards and upper midcards, and you can have most of your main eventers to A or A* in a relatively short time.

[lazorbeak]

I usually start out by looking for chemistry among my top guys. SWF is hard because so much of their main event really isn't that great in the ring. Guys like Christian Faith, Rich Money, Angry Gilmore and Lobster Warrior are hugely valuable to me because they can be counted on to carry on a ppv main event without any penalties, so I do what I can to not let them work against each other except to occasionally bring in a solid TV match. That's almost half your main event scene while the other, Vengeance, Train, Jack Bruce, Remo and Steve Frehley need some support or some good chemistry to produce top quality matches. I've had a lot of success pairing SWF's big, menacing heels against talented babyfaces like Faith, Lobster, (plus Chris Caulfield and Enygma in the upper midcard), and running an extended feud between Jack Bruce and Rich Money. In my last game I got lucky and found great chemistry between Steve Frehley and Angry Gilmore, and the two regularly put on A rated matches without needing very good momentum.

 

What's hard for me is deciding who to build up: I've played almost two years of my current SWF game, and while I've gotten my midcard more over than they are when the game starts, and brought in a few quality workers to fill out the midcard (Dan Stone, Jungle Jack, and the Machines), I still haven't pushed a single new face into the main event. Which is why I want more injuries! If Runaway Train had a muscle tear every six months, he'd be much easier to book around!

[mjdgoldeneye]

The problem you'll run into is that you'll get matches between main eventers that is only a B- sometimes, because both workers lack Psychology, Selling, or have bad chemistry.

 

Its your call. But you are seriously wasting one of your best talents. In my current SWF game, Faith has been my best worker. More consistent than Rich Money, Jack Bruce, or Angry Gilmore. He got my only A* match, which was with Rocky Golden (?!?). Having good trainers in development is important, but guys like Steve Flash and Larry Wood will suffice quite well.

 

One thing I've found that works well with the SWF is protecting your main eventers. If you can avoid having them job too often, it keeps their momentum up. Use them properly in terms of angles, give them wins over midcards and upper midcards, and you can have most of your main eventers to A or A* in a relatively short time.

 

He's only going to be in development for the first main storyline. I plan on a three way Jack Bruce/Runaway Train/Vengeance story ending with Vengeance getting the title. It'll only be 3 months tops. Once the first storyline is over, he'll come back and feud with Vengeance.

 

Plus, Faith will be on the show until the end of the first PPV.

 

Here's an update: I'm making a stable with Rich Money, Joe Money (Joe Sexy), Remo, Brandon James, and Emma Chase. They'll feud with Steve Frehley who'll eventually gather a team to face off against the bad guys.

[Eisen-verse]

What's hard for me is deciding who to build up: I've played almost two years of my current SWF game, and while I've gotten my midcard more over than they are when the game starts, and brought in a few quality workers to fill out the midcard (Dan Stone, Jungle Jack, and the Machines), I still haven't pushed a single new face into the main event. Which is why I want more injuries! If Runaway Train had a muscle tear every six months, he'd be much easier to book around!

 

I don't know if you still have him on your roster but I would strongly consider moving Akima Brave up the roster. He's one of those superstars that I love to book as a crazy, uncontrollable fighter who will do anything to pull off a win.

 

His initial stats aren't great but they are a great starting point to book him into being a strong superstar.

 

In one of my previous games I had him feud with Christian Faith and it shot him through the roof. In the end, the two actually became allies due to other shifts that were going on within the company and it also sparked a long standing tag team.

[lazorbeak]

I don't know if you still have him on your roster but I would strongly consider moving Akima Brave up the roster. He's one of those superstars that I love to book as a crazy, uncontrollable fighter who will do anything to pull off a win.

 

His initial stats aren't great but they are a great starting point to book him into being a strong superstar.

 

In one of my previous games I had him feud with Christian Faith and it shot him through the roof. In the end, the two actually became allies due to other shifts that were going on within the company and it also sparked a long standing tag team.

 

Haha, Brave is not even in the "maybe" pile for people I consider pushing. In fact, his contract ran out a couple months back, and I let him hit the indy circuit to improve his performance skills and attitude. And putting ANYONE in a storyline with Faith is going to get them over, even if they get pummeled every week.

 

Here's a list of guys I consider pushing to the top:

Valiant: not the greatest wrestler, but great look and good charisma. I got him from nowhere to the C+ area with one good storyline.

Jack Giedroyc: it seems like people forget about him as far as DAVE cast-offs, but he's got good charisma to go with good skills, and can work as a face or heel.

Jungle Jack: similar to what you said about Akima Brave, but better in pretty much every way. Has a great look, and can brawl with anybody.

Dan Stone, Jr.: one of the best wrestlers out there, but not particularly suited to SWF's product. Eisen wouldn't let me keep Enforcer Roberts (low charisma), so Stone is the gatekeeper now.

 

 

I'm trying to hold off giving the Bumfholes or DuBois or any of my other talents under 25 a run at the main event, as I'd like to see them develop some personalities, feud over the midcard title, and not get huge egos like other young guys (Remo) tend to get.

[mjdgoldeneye]

The Bumfholes Storyline stunk up my midcard, but I pulled an easy B.

 

So long as I don't immediately plummet, I'm happy where I am for now...

[Shmoe]

In TEW 07, here's how things are shaping up. This is a week after the Supreme Challenge '07, and I'm enjoying the game so much I might restart the diary I had going with it.

 

Angry Gilmore - One of the most over people in the company. How do you not push him? Runaway Train lost the championship to him and Gilmore had a very memorable 4 month reign with amazing defences against the likes of Sam Keith, Skull DeBones (soon to become Vengeance), Darryl Devine etc. and I will reward him with another World title reign when the time is right.

 

Christian Faith - Probably the hardest worker on the SWF roster. Despite his skills which look mediocre, his popularity, performance skills and charisma can carry anyone to a good to great match. I found he and Squeeky McClean had brilliant chemistry and a series of A* matches ensued with Faith winning the Last Man Standing bout at Supreme Challenge to end the fued.

 

Jack Bruce - A personal favourite character of mine, just because I can imagine the guy having ridiculous, hilarious promos that would really get the crowd on his side. I had him in the Triple Threat match for the World title at the Supreme Challenge but he came up short. He'll win the belt sometime soon.

 

Marc DuBois - this one came out of nowhere! I had him in the upper midcard and wanted to keep him there for a while but I think I pushed him subconsiously way too hard. He beat Skull DeBones, Runaway Train and in his current fued, Steve Frehley at the Supreme Challenge. Because Frehley is young and has not the talent levels of DuBois, I thought he wasn't ready for the main event. I'm going to see how DuBois flies at main event level and if he doesn't impress (although he has thus far) I might launch Frehley back into the main event.

 

Rich Money - Still the North American champion. The only situation I can find him losing it is in a multi-man match where he isn't pinned.

 

Runaway Train - With the help of The Guru, has become a character I don't hate so much. Every company needs that big menacing puppet who bashes the crap out of everyone for their manager. He recently ended my user characters undefeated streak at Supreme Challenge, which shows how much I like him. Also sets me up to beat him later on.

 

Sam Keith - Ahhh, Mr. Keith. One of my favourite characters in the whole C-Verse bar none. I love the idea of a grizzled, world travelled veteran who, at Upper Midcard to begin with, feels forgotten about, even after all his achievements. After a generous skills boost (I imagine him being, even at an older age, commited to remaining a great wrestler), he's tore the SWF up and I gave him the emotional "nobody thought he'd do it" win at the Supreme Challenge for his record 5th World Heavyweight Championship.

 

Squeeky McClean - Faith sure can elevate 'em can't he?

 

On the cusp, I have World Tag Team Champions Remo and Vengeance, Darryl Devine, Steve Frehley and Elmo Benson. So it's all look healthy, with a mix of young, old and inbetween the two in the main event and some young guys looking to take over when Keith and Faith retire (and those will be sad days), it's a pretty good game!

[Bigpapa42]

One of the many things I love about SWF is that you can put anyone in the main event. Anyone at all. So long as you can manage to get their popularity up to B or higher, even a pretty limited worker can pull B- matches against someone solid. That's not really great, but its workable. Not that I would recommend put the World title on Dusty Bin, but anything short of that, you can make work.

[Tempest Kane]

I have to say... i have never had the desire to play SWF. I started off with TCW for a long time, many games but after that i simply lost the taste and moved onto all the smaller promotions and working MAW and Mexico alot.

 

I think i almost fear having to book an SE promotion due to all the over thinking it requires, i tend to stick with traditional products when possible.

 

However, having read this thread i find myself geniunly excited at the prospect of an SWF game... i realy apprechiate everyone who posted in this thread, its given me ideas for workers i otherwise looked at and decided "wow... theirs nobody to carry this company after Faith is gone" , i also was disapointed with Keiths skills given he is a legend. He is no Jeremy Stones thats for sure.

 

But im actually going to bite the bullet and give this a try, just looking at the roster i can see myself staying true with Jack Bruce & Angry Gilmore as my corner stones, i find myself wanting to "do more" with Joe Sexy (does he have the potential to make it as a mega superstar??).

 

Do you guys use alot of diffrent storylines focused on personal fueds or stick with unchained 6 mans that cover whole divisions? (I have allways done this for the rub and to avoid having to commit to storyline angles on my shows with my traditional promotions, again i think i fear having to book SE... something i want to change).

 

Im looking at Remo and Rich Money as hot prospects for the future, and i can see the Bumflows getting a rich tag team title history, who do you guys have in the tag team division as mainstays? i assume you all try to sign John Anderson and Brent Hill (The Machines) the second TCW fall to cult and cant re-sign them?

 

I allways try to aquire and push the Samoan Machine in all my games (As a Samoa Joe rip off with a Goldberg push for the first year) i ushall debut him at my main PPV of the year and drop his winning streak the year later at the same PPV to an up and coming main eventer, so i guess ill do my best to get him this time around also.

 

Anyone a regular Gargantuan user? I cant remmber the last game i didnt use this guy, does he fit in with the SWF roster? Or perhaps Primus Allen can fill the role of the young mega heel monster who will later replace Run Away Train etc.

 

Thanks for the tips so far guys.

[Shmoe]

Yeah, I boost Keith purely on the idea I have of him in my mind whereas others might see him as losing his skill. But personally I don't.

 

As for the Tag Team Division, it's a lot harder to manage but you do have some quality teams. I managed to sign Human Arsenal from TCW but Brent Hill hasn't come up yet. I just gave Arsenal his real John Anderson name and put him in Richard Eisen's super stable.

 

Still, I reccomend SWF to play. It does seem daunting and sometimes can feel slow but when you have hot storylines and fun characters, it makes things pretty awesome.

[ZMAN]

This is why I can't get in to SWF anymore. Their roster seems way too over crowded. They need to go in to a brand system by the next game.

 

I do remember in TEW 05, pushing Elmo Benson and Bart Biggz to the top though.

[Irish Wolf]

So not to totally hijack the in another direction. But I'm with Tempest, this thread interests in a SWF game but I am woefully horrible at booking SE feds. I like the idea of the characters but I tend to be more match oriented in my booking style. So maybe some ideas on how to go about poperly booking SWF to get me started would help.

[Condors]

Anyone a regular Gargantuan user? I cant remmber the last game i didnt use this guy, does he fit in with the SWF roster? Or perhaps Primus Allen can fill the role of the young mega heel monster who will later replace Run Away Train etc.

 

Thanks for the tips so far guys.

 

I used to be a big Gargantuan signer but I have never been able to get his personalty under control. He is a project that has never worked out for me. I have since gone with The Big Problem. He has worked out quite a few times and has never caused problems although sometimes he doesn't like putting some guys over I give him enough wins for him to resign with me. If you want someone younger for the future I would go with Hell's Bouncer.

[Shmoe]

I really hate Gargantuan. For rookie monsters ...well, Remo is still a young guy so as far as I'm concerned he can become the perennial SWF monster, but Primus Allen is also a good choice.

 

As for ideas in getting started with SWF booking, pretty much the guys with charisma are your strength. Book two charismatic guys in a fued together, the angles will get the heat, the heat will get the match grades. Faith versus Rich Money, Jack Bruce versus Angry Gilmore. Remember that the SWF is not only home to charismatic wrestlers, but many of them are also very talented (see DuBois, Marc). Use the main eventers to your advantage and use them in fueds to start elevating the younger guys. That's about all I can think of for getting started.

[Eisen-verse]

I really hate Gargantuan. For rookie monsters ...well, Remo is still a young guy so as far as I'm concerned he can become the perennial SWF monster, but Primus Allen is also a good choice.

 

I agree. I'm not a huge Gargantuan fan when there are other people already on the roster who can fill that void (Remo, Runaway Train, Vengeance, etc.). Even on top of that, I'd rather swing for Hell's Bouncer over Gargantuan any day.

 

Then again, creating your own superstars is the fun part of this game so I could see why someone would want to go for someone like Gargantuan.

 

As for ideas in getting started with SWF booking, pretty much the guys with charisma are your strength. Book two charismatic guys in a fued together, the angles will get the heat, the heat will get the match grades. Faith versus Rich Money, Jack Bruce versus Angry Gilmore. Remember that the SWF is not only home to charismatic wrestlers, but many of them are also very talented (see DuBois, Marc). Use the main eventers to your advantage and use them in fueds to start elevating the younger guys. That's about all I can think of for getting started.

 

I always end up having my "big stars" work with younger workers to give them a rub... however... not the entire time. I'll start out my game with some major high profile feuds... Just to get things going. Get a sense for the game.

 

Then I'll have someone like Christian Faith work with Frederique Garcia. Try to work him up, however, don't have the storyline go for very long.

 

I'm all about working over your younger superstars to have them "rise up the ranks"... However, I hardly ever give anyone a Goldberg push.

 

Then again... With that being said... It would be kind of fun to throw a big man out there in the SWF and give them a Goldberg push. Someone who I haven't worked with before, however, want to see how fast I can rise him up the ranks.

 

 

 

 

Any ideas of a good indy worker out there who is talented "enough" and has decent to good star quality for something like this?

[shamelessposer]

I've had a lot of success pairing SWF's big, menacing heels against talented babyfaces like Faith, Lobster, (plus Chris Caulfield and Enygma in the upper midcard)

 

Wait, what?

[Eisen-verse]

Wait, what?

 

Enygma is talented in an SE kind of way. haha. People use to rag on him, however, my last game I had to keep him highly over and I grew to love the guy. hah.

[Shmoe]

I job Enygma out and then let him go. I just see him as really irritating, probably due to the fact that him and Richy Eisen are buddies as well, which just makes me think he got there because of connections. But Enygma is good for giving people a rub who are rising up the cad.