VTial Posted December 27, 2008 Posted December 27, 2008 Wow, all I can say is that these ratings remind me more of Modern Warriors ratings than Cornellverse's even compared to the previous patches...or maybe my random bookings just suck cause many of the other orgs fighters still remain undefeated but damn... My entire lightweight division shot to hell after I hired the BCF regulars. Total domination. Pat Troy even got a broken nose from Kojuro Ijichi but the worse are how everyone from BCF pwned everyone from my division that I previously hired. Sure, most of them suck but man, even people from the other divisions are suffering. Adam White lost to Shinji Hirase (rookie replacement of retired Susumu Katoh, that's mostly a GnP fighter) Derek South lost to Marvin Stevens (Stevens 3 fight losing streak, South 5-0) Kimie Igarashi lost to Emi Nagano (She was 3-0-1 prior to this) Kendall Tracy lost to Will Kane in BCF (After being 9-0 with back to back wins against Jerry Bogdonovich and Percy Catcher) Edit: Btw, one of the most insane things this new patch brings is that fighters coming out of a 5 round upset happens more often. Not sure if this is due to a smarter AI but I have tons of fights with 5 10 min. Automatic Draw rules go the way of a superior fighter beating a guy for 4 rounds and losing via KO or TKO in the fifth. That's how South lost to Stevens. It was a crazy event where every fighter with the better ground game won via comeback through a takedown.
Jacko00 Posted December 29, 2008 Posted December 29, 2008 Its very strange Stevens winning a fight, the only fights he wins are against total bums.
Adam Ryland Posted December 29, 2008 Posted December 29, 2008 The latest patch hasn't changed anything regarding the match engine, the one and only change was a minor bug fix. Any change in behaviour or results is entirely coincidental.
VTial Posted December 29, 2008 Author Posted December 29, 2008 <p>Adam, true but you did modify the fighter's skills as well. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="20870" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Altered stat caps for fighters to stop so many superhuman competitors appearing</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This shouldn't factor much because the game feels more balanced but the live reports are totally screwed up. You pretty much get 4 outcomes now:</p><p> </p><p> (Using 5 10 min. rounds, Automatic Draw, Cage rules)</p><p> </p><p> 1) Rashad - Forrest: Fighter A beats Fighter B up to the 5th round where Fighter B gets Fighter A to the ground and wins it. It doesn't have much of a ground battle. Fighter A is automatically stunned once it hits the ground. Sometimes this is due to a shove especially in the early rounds.</p><p> </p><p> 2) Fighter A gets an awfully easy takedown according to the text and proceeds to either get swept or submitted.</p><p> </p><p> 3) Good old both fighters threw the same punches at the same time so one guy wins or some guy throws body shots and as the other guy turns, the one who hit the body shots gets there first.</p><p> </p><p> 4) Draw - This is where you get to see more of the unique live reports.</p><p> </p><p> These happen in the past too but the rate it is occuring now, that's pretty much what you see.</p><p> </p><p> I think Fezzik gets a past because he's so well rounded already. It's guys like Bretton who didn't used to have a weakness with ground strikes that suffer the most. Sometimes it's small guys with mediocre ground games. </p><p> </p><p> Also the game seems to benefit momentum more. Not a bad effect in my opinion because the game is random now (Vanessa Philipps ko'd Karen Curtis for ex. even after already going on a 2 win streak over Haley Croft and a stoppage on Henrietta Stein and 3 draws over cans and all she has in the skill dept. is being good on defending from her back and everything else are athleticism like fantastic consistency and fantastic strength) but live reporting needs to be diversified because in the past only the clinch - get hit - freebie shot - release clinch - come back with low kick and body shots text was as annoying.</p>
Nephrinn Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 Adam, true but you did modify the fighter's skills as well. That's been in the patches for a long time (6 months+). Adam just adds those little notes with each patch release...not all at once. The ones on the bottom are the recent additions for the Dec. 1st patch, everything before it is from previous patches. What you're experiencing is just random occurrences in the engine and not anything changed by any recent patches. Remember that WMMA has a "destiny" algorithm that changes how each new game plays out. As to undefeated fighters...it's simply unrealistic and I'm glad that it's extremely rare for fighters to stay undefeated. Sure, it sucks when your favorite fighters have their records tarnished with a defeat, but MMA is a very unpredictable sport where anything can happen (the recent UFC proves that alone).
Cade Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 guys just a quick note on the diversity and unpredictible nature of the engine i was curious and when a fighter lost i quit the game started up again and the event had not been completed and did it again and the result was the opposite so in one go fighter A won then on reset and repeating the same event fighter B wins found this strange but then again it may explain that on any given day any of the fighters can win
VTial Posted December 30, 2008 Author Posted December 30, 2008 That's been in the patches for a long time (6 months+). Adam just adds those little notes with each patch release...not all at once. The ones on the bottom are the recent additions for the Dec. 1st patch, everything before it is from previous patches. What you're experiencing is just random occurrences in the engine and not anything changed by any recent patches. Remember that WMMA has a "destiny" algorithm that changes how each new game plays out. As to undefeated fighters...it's simply unrealistic and I'm glad that it's extremely rare for fighters to stay undefeated. Sure, it sucks when your favorite fighters have their records tarnished with a defeat, but MMA is a very unpredictable sport where anything can happen (the recent UFC proves that alone). I'm familiar with this. I've started 4 games already prior to this patch and yes some fighters did suck and you can't control undefeated fighters but the way the fighters have degraded can be shocking after this patch at least for me. This is why I'm asking because this isn't just exclusive to any fighter, this is happening to every fighter or at least the ones I've signed which aren't GAMMA/Alpha-1 fighters. I too am for this change as now every veteran fighter that has some skills can beat young fighters where in the past they become total cans barring flukes. I'm just looking for confirmation if something changed or I just happened to be playing a weird coincidental game. This is especially glaring with the FLW division where in the past you can get several tough young female fighters and now you can't.
Adam Ryland Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 I'm just looking for confirmation if something changed or I just happened to be playing a weird coincidental game. As I stated earlier, nothing has changed. The last time the game engine itself was altered was well before TEW08 came out, all patches since then have just been error fixes.
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