Who shouldn't be in the NFL?

[GatorBait19]

Okay so I had an argument with a friend today about who shouldn't be in the NFL, and I want to know your opinions, now after all this I will give my argument, but I just wanted to know, it can be anybody, player you hate, or someone you just think is waste a roster space?

[CQI13]

<p>Brett Favre - He should just leave. Seriously. No one cares about him, his shoulder, his love for the game, or his constant pick-6s.</p><p> </p><p>

That's it on the hate department. All the other diva WRs should just be quiete. Aside from that, don't think I consider anyone a waste of roster space. They're good enough to be in the league obviously, and you never know when a third stringer will come in and surprise you (Kurt Warner).</p>

[jagilki]

<p>The Detroit Lions?</p><p> </p><p>

<a href="http://www.instantrimshot.com/" rel="external nofollow">http://www.instantrimshot.com/</a></p>

[Tyler Gadzinski]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jagilki" data-cite="jagilki" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="20903" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Detroit Lions?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's what I was thinking the whole time and was waiting for someone to post it.. I mainly think the Detroits entire Coaching Staff should be fired.</p>

[mjdgoldeneye]

<p>I'd say Adam "Still Pacman" Jones.</p><p> </p><p>

He's a troublemaker, a distraction, and he isn't very good anymore.</p><p> </p><p>

Just watch the game last night... <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Imarevenant]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tyler Gadzinski" data-cite="Tyler Gadzinski" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="20903" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's what I was thinking the whole time and was waiting for someone to post it.. <strong>I mainly think the Detroits entire Coaching Staff should be fired.</strong></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Most of them were today. They only retained the WR, RB, and OL coaches. Oddly enough 3 of their best players are their WR, RB, and ROT.</p>

[CQI13]

<p>So the Dolphins should have disappeared after last year? Or the Colts on Manning's first year? or Carolina 2 years before their SB appearance?</p><p> </p><p>

And there's a big difference between a team not being in the league and their coaching staff being fired (which with Marinelli being fired, I can't help but think that the rest of the staff is/already has joined him). </p><p> </p><p>

I will admit that certain teams should disappear though. Bringing the number of teams down would increase the talent on each team and that would be great. Think back to the NBA in the 80s or MLB before their expansion craze.</p>

[cappyboy]

<p>I'll give you a few from a Browns fan persepctive.</p><p> </p><p>

Syndric Steptoe: I mean really dude. The only reason the guy got field time this season or any season is because Potty-Mouth Savage blew free agency this year. The guy has little to no talent and would, in normal situations, have been thanking his lucky stars to be practice squad fodder. But because Jurevicious was out and Felipe went and wasted pretty good contract paper on Donte Stallworth, there was the opening for this slug. If Steptoe is playing anywhere in the league (other than maybe Detroit) next year, there is no justice. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

Donte Stallworth: When the biggest free agent name you can come up with is Donte Stallowrth, you know that you shouldn't have even bothered.Does he have some talent when healthy? Sure. But the operative words there are WHEN HEALTHY. The odds of Stallworth ever managing to stay healthy are the same as mine of getting laid before the ball drops in Times Square Thursday morning. Zip, zero, nada. Forget the crotchety, guttermouth e-mail Savage sent his public. Giving six years to a walking hospital bed like Stallworth should have enough of a fireable offense in its own right. The moment it became clear Stallowrth would be trying to fill Joe's shoes, our receiving corps was doomed to failure.</p><p> </p><p>

Shaun Smith: Congratulations, genius. You flounder about on what could be a decent enough defense if it could just get OFF THE FIELD once in a while. And who do you choose to try picking a fight with in the weight room? The rehabbing future franchise QB who's already on IR for the year as it is. OY!! Way to take your career out to the woodshed and put a bullet in its brain, Loser. Enjoy Edmonton. Because no franchise worth its salt in this league will be looking for you any time soon with those kinds of decision skills.</p>

[NickC13573]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="CQI13" data-cite="CQI13" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="20903" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So the Dolphins should have disappeared after last year? Or the Colts on Manning's first year? or Carolina 2 years before their SB appearance?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree with you that getting rid of an entire team is rash, but i mean its the lions, they havent been good in about 12 years</p>

[GatorBait19]

<p>Besides Adam Jones, because I think he shouldn't be in because of his attitude either, you all make nice points, but here is my thing</p><p> </p><p>

If the people who ragged on the Lions, were on the lions, would the lions win?</p><p> </p><p>

could you guys do better than people on the Lions or Dolphins of last year, could you play better than anyone already in the NFL?</p><p> </p><p>

could CQI13 play better than Jet Farve?</p><p> </p><p>

Maybe it's us as fan just being fans, and giving our opinion on the teams and players, but could we really play or for that matter, do better than they did?</p><p> </p><p>

That is the question you have to ask, can you play or even coach better than the people you tease in blogs and things?</p>

[darthsiddus2]

if they had better coaches yea you would do better. it all starts with the position coaches who train the talent.

[GatorBait19]

<p>train what, seriously, most of these people have been playing the same position for more than 10 years</p><p> </p><p>

Are you saying if P. Manning had a different QB coach he wouldn't be as good?</p><p> </p><p>

Calvin Johnson was good before he got to the Lions, and so was Sims, LT has had multiple coaches, along with TO, I mean no offense to coaches in the NFL but they only really teach the playbook and some tidbits, like a tendency of a certain player they will go up against</p><p> </p><p>

Players are good because they have the skills to do it, not because of the coaches in the NFL</p><p> </p><p>

And I know I am going to get criticized for this, but name me one coach who didn't have a great QB to help them? Yeah Walsh and Parcells, and Bill Belichick have always had good QB to help them, cuz look Belichick didn't have Brady in Cleveland and he didn't win, but back to the point</p><p> </p><p>

Coaches in the NFL don't win the games, they may call the plays, but the players win the games</p>

[darthsiddus2]

Manning is the exception to the rule. yes there are those that are the exception BUT if you don't learn your playbook or the coaches don't help you learn the playbook then your sh*t outa luck. you can't teach accuracy but you can teach knowledge.

[GatorBait19]

<p>See I am trying to see your side but it's hard because you really can't teach knowledge</p><p> </p><p>

I mean Micheal Vick had a coach who help Elway! but Vick wasn't smart at the position</p><p> </p><p>

Marvin Lewis was once the mastermind behind the Ravens D, but in Cincy, they aren't that good</p><p> </p><p>

And College coaches, people who are still teaching players how to play the game and their position still, don't do well in the NFL most times, so the coaches thing to me doesn't effect players, players effect themselves</p><p> </p><p>

Injuries, Skills, Brains, Work Ethic, these to me are what makes a player good, not the coaches and so to me, no if you had better coaches you still wouldn't play better than those players</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

and why do my post numbers stay at 398, i hit that number like 12 post ago</p>

[NickC13573]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GatorBait19" data-cite="GatorBait19" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="20903" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>See I am trying to see your side but it's hard because you really can't teach knowledge<p> </p><p> I mean Micheal Vick had a coach who help Elway! but Vick wasn't smart at the position</p><p> </p><p> Marvin Lewis was once the mastermind behind the Ravens D, but in Cincy, they aren't that good</p><p> </p><p> And College coaches, people who are still teaching players how to play the game and their position still, don't do well in the NFL most times, so the coaches thing to me doesn't effect players, players effect themselves</p><p> </p><p> Injuries, Skills, Brains, Work Ethic, these to me are what makes a player good, not the coaches and so to me, no if you had better coaches you still wouldn't play better than those players</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> and why do my post numbers stay at 398, i hit that number like 12 post ago</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> How was Michael Vick not smart at the quarterback. he didnt have the ARM for the quarterback. He had the speed for a running back. and you do know that Dog Pound posts dont count towards your post count.</p>

[GatorBait19]

<p>okay thanks for the post thing, I didn't know that</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

but Vick had an arm, that wasn't the question, it was always if he could read a defense and make the play through the air</p>

[AfRoMaN36]

<p>Clearly the entire Jets organization needs to be swallowed whole if not for the choke job they did this year, than for knocking off 5 years of my life expectancy for making me believe they can actually do something this year before doing what they did in the last 4 weeks.</p><p> </p><p>

And seriously.... Eric Mangini needs to go. To another team, to another city, to another country, to hell, I do not care, he cannot coach here.</p><p> </p><p>

...</p><p> </p><p>

[/rant from angry fan]</p>

[NickC13573]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="AfRoMaN36" data-cite="AfRoMaN36" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="20903" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Clearly the entire Jets organization needs to be swallowed whole if not for the choke job they did this year, than for knocking off 5 years of my life expectancy for making me believe they can actually do something this year before doing what they did in the last 4 weeks.<p> </p><p> And seriously.... Eric Mangini needs to go. To another team, to another city, to another country, to hell, I do not care, he cannot coach here.</p><p> </p><p> ...</p><p> </p><p> [/rant from angry fan]</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> as much as i love him, Mike Shanahan needs to get off his high horse and get a person who picks the defensive players so that we can make the playoffs.</p>

[Nedew]

Rather than you choosing who goes out (and i have no idea about handball whatsoever), why don't you guys implement promotion and relegation in a league system? Never understood your system in the first place.

[GatorBait19]

<p>to tell the truth I don't think I have ever seen this many teams cough up leads</p><p> </p><p>

Bucs, Jets, Broncos, Bears, Cowboys, Redskins</p><p> </p><p>

and does anyone else agree that this whole divison stuff is overrated and the top 6 records should make the playoffs</p><p> </p><p>

New England, and some NFC teams were left out, who are much better as well than the two west teams who won the divisons</p>

[GatorBait19]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Nedew" data-cite="Nedew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="20903" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Rather than you choosing who goes out (and i have no idea about handball whatsoever), why don't you guys implement promotion and relegation in a league system? Never understood your system in the first place.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Huh?</p>

[jagilki]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="20903" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So the Dolphins should have disappeared after last year? Or the Colts on Manning's first year? or Carolina 2 years before their SB appearance?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> For my part, if you notice the "instantrimshot.com", that was to indicate I was joking.</p>

[Nedew]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GatorBait19" data-cite="GatorBait19" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="20903" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Huh?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Why not have an NFL Premiership, and an NFL Championship. The team(s) which finish bottom of the Premiership go down into the Championship and the best Championship team(s) go up into the Premiership. The Premiership gets more TV coverage and quality players etc., but the Championship clubs can 1. help worse players improve through sheer grafting and 2. improve themselves to Premiership level.</p><p> </p><p> I just don't get how you guys can live without that... a team can finish last every season for 100 years and not lose anything for it?</p>

[cappyboy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Nedew" data-cite="Nedew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="20903" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why not have an NFL Premiership, and an NFL Championship. The team(s) which finish bottom of the Premiership go down into the Championship and the best Championship team(s) go up into the Premiership. The Premiership gets more TV coverage and quality players etc., but the Championship clubs can 1. help worse players improve through sheer grafting and 2. improve themselves to Premiership level.<p> </p><p> I just don't get how you guys can live without that... a team can finish last every season for 100 years and not lose anything for it?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There's not enough talent to make that viable on the pro level. Although I would love to see this at the college level.A hundred and eighteen teams battling for one national championship? REALLY?!!! That's what I don't get.</p>

[Nedew]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cappyboy" data-cite="cappyboy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="20903" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There's not enough talent to make that viable on the pro level.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Really? America is a country of 300 million people and they can't do a two-tier league system of say, 40 teams? (20 in each)</p><p> </p><p> For comparison, the English (population: 51 million) league system as a whole has 26 'pyramid' levels, consisting of 480 individual leagues (to save word confusion, it consist of 480 competitions - that is to say, groups of teams who play each other). That's over 7000 (yes, SEVEN THOUSAND) teams (playing at least 77,000 players) in total, all of whom could get relegated down right to the bottom from the top or promoted to the top, right from the bottom (albeit taking 26 years of consecutive promotions and going from a level where about 20 people are in the crowd up to the all-seater stadiums of 60,000).</p><p> </p><p> Basically, REALLY? Not enough?</p>