jbergey_2005 Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 How much longer can they continue to bury him like this? He keeps losing to lifetime jobbers and guys making their debuts. I am just finding it an odd time to bury a main eventer especially considering Smackdown isnt loaded with main event threats. Id like the storyline to be a little more realstic rather than losing every single match which makes it silly IMO. Three months from now he will be beating these same guys in 5 minutes.
BurningHamster Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Beats me but MVP jobbing is good because it's something different and I tend to prefer jobbers. Who knows, maybe they are lining up a face turn where after getting his ass kicked and losing all his contract money he has to start earning his spot. Or maybe they are just doing it to see what happens and will then release him with no real explanation as to what they are doing or why.
djthefunkchris Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 How much longer can they continue to bury him like this? He keeps losing to lifetime jobbers and guys making their debuts. I am just finding it an odd time to bury a main eventer especially considering Smackdown isnt loaded with main event threats. Id like the storyline to be a little more realstic rather than losing every single match which makes it silly IMO. Three months from now he will be beating these same guys in 5 minutes. But lets be a bit fair here... Most the time he is losing by his opponant getting extremely lucky. I can't think of a time it didn't look like he should HAVE won, but somehow it didn't go his way at the end. Now.... I've also heard rumors (mainly here and there on this board) that the powers that be aren't happy with him, or perhaps his workrate, I'm not sure. The problem I have with it, is that I find him to be very believable and I like him better then most the roster. I don't know what's true or untrue in the rumors though, it could be just something as you said... Where he gets in a predicament where he cannot lose and makes a huge comeback. I'm still rooting for the Royal Rumble to be his ultimate triumph... Just keeping that out there (in case I end up right, lol). I would have him lose all the way to the rumble, and then I would have it be a stipulation somewhat like Flair's, only because he is doing so poorly.. "Alright MVP, I'll tell you what. You win the next three match's, no matter who your opponant is, and we will keep you. If you don't, your OUT OF HERE... Oh, and by the way, draw for the rumble". MVP draws, and his number is 1.
Prophet Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 I can see it doing a face turn for him, as it's increasingly deflating the MVP swagger. I'd have it work out sort of like dj does, in that I'd have him continue to lose in flukey ways all the way to the rumble. I wouldn't do the stipulation, instead, I'd have Fink do his mandatory 20 minute rule rundown, and his "and it's now time for the person who drew #1 ..." And MVP's music hits. He comes to the ring, maybe at this point, in a simple pair of black trunks. It adds to the illusion he's lost everything. The rumble kicks off, and MVP continues to survive, near elimination after near elimination. It comes down to him, HBK, Kane, and Vladimir. HBK and MVP charge in, and the two bigger men take them down, and focus on each other. Kane goes for a chokeslam, Kozlov breaks it, Kane spins, Sweet Chin Music, and Kane's eliminated. No celebration though, as HBK turns around, and Vladimir goes all "undefeated badass" on him, and eliminates Michaels. MVP gets up, the two back and forth a bit, Vladimir pushes MVP back to the ropes, goes for the battering ram headbutt, MVP ducks, Kozlov goes over the top, and we have a new #1 contender. This opens the door for the build up to No Way Out to be MVP as a good guy, being called a fluke winner, and accused to stealing Kozlov's Rumble win which he didn't earn. And within this story, MVP regains momentum, rebuilding his character from the ground up, slowly earning back that brash swagger he does so well, but with the fans vehemently behind him, towards Wrestlemania. But that's a personal choice.
GatorBait19 Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 what I have read at different websites is that it to prevent the Brock Lesnar push, and to show the talent that they can be given long losing streaks
Self Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Honestly, I think this internet talk about MVP's losing streak is a lot of crying about nothing. I keep reading how he's being 'buried' and... He is a featured player on a weekly television show, getting screen-time and his own personal storyline. This doesn't sound like someone being punished. It sounds like someone going through some character-development. I'm interested to see where it leads. At this point, wins don't mean too much in WWE. They should, but they don't. Time was, you had to build up stars ala Boxing, to create 'Main Events' that crowds would pay to see. Nowadays, that is far less the case. A lot of people will buy the PPV's simply if they enjoy the Television product. On a more vague topic of MVP. I'm a fan. When I got back into wrestling a couple of years ago, he was one of the few 'new' guys who actually had a gimmick, who I could instantly understand and get behind. He was different to all of these short-trunk-wearing, real-name-having guys who typically bore me to tears. His outfit is awesome. His music is awesome. His entrance is awesome (may it rest in peace) MVP will probably make a really good babyface sometime down the line.
The Shape Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Wouldn't want to see him become a proper "good guy" for quite some time. In my mind a rumble win is a bit too far fetched, however along with the defeats they could keep building the angle up with some more promos here and there and so on. The backstage one with kennedy a couple of weeks ago just seemed so natural even though it was a freakin movie plug xD I think, at the rumble, they can do one of two things. Either he's drawn number one, then to compound his misery some big guy like festus is number two, but with a whole lot to prove MVP takes him out and lasts a long while, only to get taken out near the end, perhaps by Kozlov, he can then go mad on the outside or something, maybe if someone...smaller...takes him out, he can beat them up and start a feud, which he loses, lol. Orrr....he can come in say 10th and be eliminated in record time. But yeah, in my mind the MITB is made for him. Have him be the one to propose the idea this year as the solution to all his problems, then get beat in a qualifying match, then enter a last chance battle royal and finally pull out the victory to earn that final spot. He can win the match and voila, instant momentum ready for whenever they pull the trigger...the "money" part fits his gimmick as well. Depending on when they want him to turn face, he could even use it in a heelish way, but on a heel, like Punk did...either way it'd probably be on Raw, as I'm thinking and hoping jeff's reign lasts well beyond mania and he slowly goes more and more psycho over the belt. Jeff in a HIAC is something they have to do...
Franchise22 Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 same thing happened to cm punk last year and he then turned around and out of no where won the world title. just something to think about......
Tha Black Phenom Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 MVP is not getting outright "buried". The thing is, his losing streak has become an angle. If someone was truly buried, they would not have his losing streak be an angle, even not mentioned if anything. The fact they have MVP cut promos about his losing streak almost every week is showing that WWE is keeping their faith in him and they'll have him win matches again when they feel he's learned his lesson/paid his dues. That promo he cut on the Slammy Awards show generated so much heat
sebsy Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 As far as I'm aware, the whole thing started because Vince wanted to punish MVP for something that happened behind the scenes. During one of the random drug tests, MVP is alleged to have said to the guy doing the tests, something along the lines of 'Did you do all that hard work through college just so you could look at guys dicks' Vince was not happy at MVP disrespecting the chap and has punished him with this storyline.
cappyboy Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 As far as I'm aware, the whole thing started because Vince wanted to punish MVP for something that happened behind the scenes. During one of the random drug tests, MVP is alleged to have said to the guy doing the tests, something along the lines of 'Did you do all that hard work through college just so you could look at guys dicks' Vince was not happy at MVP disrespecting the chap and has punished him with this storyline. Man, if this is a punishment, then I know the first thing I do as a new WWE singing or callup. I request the booking team give me a similar "punishment" and build it up to a battle of the losing streaks with MVP. Complete with blow-off match where one streak has to end. Perhaps even conceding that match to him and starting a fear of success gimmick. Think how a self-sabotager would stand out (and possibly get sympathy over) in an atmosphere where so many guys have egos like the Grand Canyon. Heck, even if that play sinks my initial run, it shows my willingness to be a company guy and probably nets me open call-back potential.
The Masked Orange Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Crystal ballin’: MVP needs to start ballin’ and get back to his elite status in 2009. There is no doubt that he’s in breech of his contract, failing to cash in on his end of the business agreement with wins. This is a quote from the WWE website. And it proves they must have some stroyline with his contract on the way
CQI13 Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Which makes sense. I'm assuming this contract was mentioned when he first signed on with SmackDown. Otherwise, Funaki would have been long gone.
sabataged Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Honestly, I think this internet talk about MVP's losing streak is a lot of crying about nothing. I keep reading how he's being 'buried' and... He is a featured player on a weekly television show, getting screen-time and his own personal storyline. This doesn't sound like someone being punished. It sounds like someone going through some character-development. I'm interested to see where it leads. At this point, wins don't mean too much in WWE. They should, but they don't. Time was, you had to build up stars ala Boxing, to create 'Main Events' that crowds would pay to see. Nowadays, that is far less the case. A lot of people will buy the PPV's simply if they enjoy the Television product. On a more vague topic of MVP. I'm a fan. When I got back into wrestling a couple of years ago, he was one of the few 'new' guys who actually had a gimmick, who I could instantly understand and get behind. He was different to all of these short-trunk-wearing, real-name-having guys who typically bore me to tears. His outfit is awesome. His music is awesome. His entrance is awesome (may it rest in peace) MVP will probably make a really good babyface sometime down the line. This is basically what I have been saying all along. ya he is losing but it is still a helluva push because he is being featured every where because of it. I see it ending with some heel, my guess is Shelton Benjamin making fun of him repeatily, before MVP finally beats him. The crowd will pop because they witnessed him finally win. He was already getting a few pops anyway so it will just be like that. I can see MVP winning US title back at Mania or something perhaps. Maybe even winning MITB.
GDE71 Posted January 7, 2009 Posted January 7, 2009 pwinsider or 411wrestling have mentioned it leading to a face turn.
Gabbo Posted January 7, 2009 Posted January 7, 2009 what I have read at different websites is that it to prevent the Brock Lesnar push, and to show the talent that they can be given long losing streaks I've read that MVP has embraced the streak and is happy working it, besides it is all planned to lead to a face turn. I believe the seeds were planted last Friday, when he seemed resigned to his fate.
Superkevd Posted January 7, 2009 Posted January 7, 2009 Personally i love the storyline, its the first original thing WWE has tried in a long while. I hope this does lead to a push for MVP yes prefferably to the main event where he belongs(hes been involved in 2 of the most talked about stories of last 2 years, his feud with Matt Hardy and his losing streak) the guy is interesting to a degree where people care about his losing streak because he has that star quality. I just hope this doesn't lead to his release since the last time this storyline was attempted ala Rob Conway.
The Shape Posted January 7, 2009 Posted January 7, 2009 With conway I don't think they even mentioned it till the day he got fired, he just got squashed a lot xD
jbergey_2005 Posted January 8, 2009 Author Posted January 8, 2009 Personally i love the storyline, its the first original thing WWE has tried in a long while. I hope this does lead to a push for MVP yes prefferably to the main event where he belongs(hes been involved in 2 of the most talked about stories of last 2 years, his feud with Matt Hardy and his losing streak) the guy is interesting to a degree where people care about his losing streak because he has that star quality. I just hope this doesn't lead to his release since the last time this storyline was attempted ala Rob Conway. I guess it is what it is. Sure its a push I suppose but the fact that he is losing to openers just bothers me. It could be a creative idea if it wasnt so far fetched. He was an upper mid/main eventer 6 months ago and now he losing to guys that get maybe 3-4 wins a year. Its just not a believable storyline IMO. Have him lose to some guys that he could possibly lose to mixed in with a couple of fluky upsets with lower guys not just loss after loss to the lower card wrestlers.
wilts Posted January 8, 2009 Posted January 8, 2009 I guess it is what it is. Sure its a push I suppose but the fact that he is losing to openers just bothers me. It could be a creative idea if it wasnt so far fetched. He was an upper mid/main eventer 6 months ago and now he losing to guys that get maybe 3-4 wins a year. Its just not a believable storyline IMO. Have him lose to some guys that he could possibly lose to mixed in with a couple of fluky upsets with lower guys not just loss after loss to the lower card wrestlers. Why isn't it believable? In all forms of sport confidence plays a big part in it, and it is obvious that confidence is what WWE is playing off, you could see that quite clearly last week before the Kizarny match. Like I said, happens in all forms of sport, the top football team could go on a bit of a losing streak and end up losing to a conference side in the cup, or the top rugby team could easily lose to the team at the bottom of the div if they are low on confidence. Perfect example, look at the England team (football). They sucked for ages because they were low on confidence, losing matches that should have been a walkover, now they bought in Capello, confidence is sky high and the team is doing alright.... It is all down to confidence my friend. Also, last point that just came to me. You have to warrant being a main eventer, so if he has been on a losing streak, he doesn't warrant being in main event matches with main event calibre opponents. His streak deserves Funaki calibre opponents, so that is what he gets....
Self Posted January 8, 2009 Posted January 8, 2009 ... and for MVP to really bottom out confidence wise, he has to be losing to the worst of the worst. His ego has to take an incredible beating for this storyline to work. Losing to Shelton or R-Truth or Hurricane or Finlay week after week won't cut it any more, because there's no shame in losing to those guys. They may not be 'Main Event' players, but they're (kayfabe) all awesome fighters, some of the best in the world (/kayfabe)
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