UkWrestleFan Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I've put them back into the CornellVerse '08 and created a scenario where PSW shuts down. This results in DaVE opening back up with Vibert & Nemesis at the helm (I know, it's the whole Vibert/Nemesis thing again, but it's DaVE) Anyway, I was wondering if you think anybody from the SWF or TCW would 'jump ship' to add some star power to the roster? The roster I'm thinking so far consists of. There's some DaVE 'Originals' who I think would join up with Vibert & Nemesis: Acid Art Reed Chris Caulfield Eric Tyler J D Morgan Alex Braun Johnny Martin Teddy Powell And maybe I'm missing some, but in the opinion of you guys: 1. What stars from the 'big two' (if any) could you see realistically joining ? 2. Who else would be decent signings for 'New' DaVE? Cheers everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Casey Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I can't honestly see any of the stars rejoining DaVE - they'd be giving up a lot of money and, in some cases, creative control to jump ship. I suspect that, if it happened, the new DaVE would be a very different place. Workers like Darryl Devine, Davis Wayne Newton and Steven Parker would be given their shot. Fumihiro Ota, Black Eagle and Ultimate Phoenix would be the Acids of the new company. A few PSW workers (Morgan, Martin) might be brought back, but most of them are pretty hopeless. In general, I suspect that Vibert and Nemesis would learn from their mistakes and bring in the younger workers. Think of it as MAW with bite, for want of a better comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I can't honestly see any of the stars rejoining DaVE - they'd be giving up a lot of money and, in some cases, creative control to jump ship. I would say 'let it go' but it's your game. See the part I bolded? Those are the holy grail for a wrestler. No worker worth a damn is going to turn their back on a ton of money AND control over their booking, to relive somebody's idea of 'the glory days'. So, no one in TCW or SWF would return (unless they're fired and/or have no other choice). Forget Brandon and Peak and Chase. Other than those three, there was no one with true star power that would be available on a PPA basis. Martin & Morgan are shot, Tyler's on his last legs, Caulfield's in SWF, and Braun, Powell, and Reed were never really big names. Hell's Bouncer is headlining in Puerto Rico so he probably wouldn't accept anything less than that. DaVE imploded and TCW and SWF picked the carcass clean of any meat. You're left with a rotting skeleton now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UkWrestleFan Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share Posted August 4, 2009 I'm toying with ideas at the minute but bringing DaVE back is something I've been wanting to do for a while but I've not had a lot of spare time. At the moment, the plan would be to bring back Caulfield, Tyler, Acid & Reed and base 'New' DaVE around them for 6 months to a year while establishing some talented lower card workers on PPA agreements. There's a lot of talent out there who I think would be willing to work on PPA basis: Grease Hogg Lead Belly Larry Wood Griffith Brandon Smith Frankie Perez Remmy Skye Jack Marlowe Rhino Umaga Steve Flash Those are some names that spring to mind but I'm sure theres more. I could nab more 'Originals' from PSW just to help elavate some of the younger guys but I'm not sure whether I'd want a scenario where I was stepping on Mitch's toes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UkWrestleFan Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share Posted August 4, 2009 I would say 'let it go' but it's your game. See the part I bolded? Those are the holy grail for a wrestler. No worker worth a damn is going to turn their back on a ton of money AND control over their booking, to relive somebody's idea of 'the glory days'. So, no one in TCW or SWF would return (unless they're fired and/or have no other choice). Forget Brandon and Peak and Chase. Other than those three, there was no one with true star power that would be available on a PPA basis. Martin & Morgan are shot, Tyler's on his last legs, Caulfield's in SWF, and Braun, Powell, and Reed were never really big names. Hell's Bouncer is headlining in Puerto Rico so he probably wouldn't accept anything less than that. DaVE imploded and TCW and SWF picked the carcass clean of any meat. You're left with a rotting skeleton now. Cheers for the input, Remi. In your opinion, is there anybody you think would be willing to jump ship to DaVE who wasn't part of the promotion previously? As you say, tons of money and creative control is something that no worker is likely to turn down. What if Vibert & Nemesis offered Steve Frehley (as an example) such things? Would he be willing to sacrifice exposure on the grandest stage for a huge pay cheque and the chance to be the top guy in a less prestigious promotion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eayragt Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I've literally just started off a new DAVE game, but it's a Vibertless and Nemesisless DAVE. It's not exactly chocked with talent (available ex-DAVEers, and then mighty alternative additions such as The Nation of Filth), but I'm playing this game purely for storyline purposes rather than for growth. 80% of the old DAVE roster are available - you've just lost the top 20%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UkWrestleFan Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share Posted August 4, 2009 I've literally just started off a new DAVE game, but it's a Vibertless and Nemesisless DAVE. It's not exactly chocked with talent (available ex-DAVEers, and then mighty alternative additions such as The Nation of Filth), but I'm playing this game purely for storyline purposes rather than for growth. 80% of the old DAVE roster are available - you've just lost the top 20%. This is true but the guys that DaVE lost to SWF and TCW are near impossible to replace with the exception of Laramee who is nothing out of this world. To replace them I'd go: Brandon James - 'Bulldozer' Brandon Smith Joey Minnesota - Frankie Perez Sammy Bach - Remmy Skye Eddie Peak - Larry Wood Kurt Laramee - 'Dazzling' Dave Diamond Jack Giedroyc - Jack Griffith The New Wave are near impossible to replace but bringing The Dirty White Boyz in is a decent move. Obviously, the 'replacements' are still not in the same league as the guys who left but I think they can do a similar job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Cheers for the input, Remi. In your opinion, is there anybody you think would be willing to jump ship to DaVE who wasn't part of the promotion previously? As you say, tons of money and creative control is something that no worker is likely to turn down. What if Vibert & Nemesis offered Steve Frehley (as an example) such things? Would he be willing to sacrifice exposure on the grandest stage for a huge pay cheque and the chance to be the top guy in a less prestigious promotion? Mind you, I'm not saying it's not possible (that would be ignorant). But much of people's memory of DaVE involves a handful of workers trying to make something of themselves. Now, you'd have to find another handful of workers to do the same thing with. Oh and you'd also need a homegrown, ultra charismatic non-wrestler (preferably female). I'd recommend Melanie Florence for that role. Or, if you want, you could groom Lisa Bowen to do the same thing (if you wanted someone younger). Your choices are very good. I might add a Joey Poison (assuming he's not on a written to 4C) as another possibility. Find someone from the UK to import (Matravers, possibly? Phoebe would come in handy too) much like Giedroyc was. Remmington Remus as your Mitch Naess would work as well. I wouldn't use Larry Wood as Eddie Peak though. I'd go for someone younger, maybe even Doug. Ultimate Phoenix could be your Acid (if you can't get the real one) and if you can get him, Gino Montero would fit the Peak role extremely well (there's little he can't do well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Casey Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Your choices are very good. I might add a Joey Poison (assuming he's not on a written to 4C) as another possibility. Find someone from the UK to import (Matravers, possibly? Phoebe would come in handy too) much like Giedroyc was. Remmington Remus as your Mitch Naess would work as well. Rolling Johnny Stones would be my choice here - the man was a beast for me in '07, although i've not yet tried him on '08. Pesky travel fees... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UkWrestleFan Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share Posted August 4, 2009 Mind you, I'm not saying it's not possible (that would be ignorant). But much of people's memory of DaVE involves a handful of workers trying to make something of themselves. Now, you'd have to find another handful of workers to do the same thing with. Oh and you'd also need a homegrown, ultra charismatic non-wrestler (preferably female). I'd recommend Melanie Florence for that role. Or, if you want, you could groom Lisa Bowen to do the same thing (if you wanted someone younger). Your choices are very good. I might add a Joey Poison (assuming he's not on a written to 4C) as another possibility. Find someone from the UK to import (Matravers, possibly? Phoebe would come in handy too) much like Giedroyc was. Remmington Remus as your Mitch Naess would work as well. I wouldn't use Larry Wood as Eddie Peak though. I'd go for someone younger, maybe even Doug. Ultimate Phoenix could be your Acid (if you can't get the real one) and if you can get him, Gino Montero would fit the Peak role extremely well (there's little he can't do well). Fantastic suggestions, Remi. I didn't think of Remmington Remus as a replacement for Naess. Same goes for a UK import. I'd link to think Acid would come back but there'd still be room for Ultimate Phoenix. As for Gino Montero, it would mean editing his debut date in the database but I still might as I think it would be fun. I also like the idea of trying to get Doug Peak over as much as his brother is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Cheers for the input, Remi. In your opinion, is there anybody you think would be willing to jump ship to DaVE who wasn't part of the promotion previously? As you say, tons of money and creative control is something that no worker is likely to turn down. What if Vibert & Nemesis offered Steve Frehley (as an example) such things? Would he be willing to sacrifice exposure on the grandest stage for a huge pay cheque and the chance to be the top guy in a less prestigious promotion? WCW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Stranger Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Rolling Johnny Stones would be my choice here - the man was a beast for me in '07, although i've not yet tried him on '08. Pesky travel fees... Personally I'd replace Travis Century... With Rod 'The God' Todd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedew Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Personally I'd replace Travis Century... With Rod 'The God' Todd. I'm liking that. The only thing ECW was missing was a hardcore religious zealot (James Mitchell aside)... make sure DAVE rights that wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappyboy Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Personally I'd replace Travis Century... With Rod 'The God' Todd. Or as he's known now, Jonathan Faust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chosen One Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Champagne Lust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Stranger Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Or as he's known now, Jonathan Faust Yeah, but specifically with Rod 'The God' Todd. A gimmick that's known to be TOO EXTREME for another company's TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg McNeish Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Or as he's known now, Jonathan Faust Gotta bring back the 'God' character. The only reason he isn't still using it, is that Jeff Nova wouldn't risk putting him on TV. DaVE wouldn't have the same hang-ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappyboy Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Gotta bring back the 'God' character. The only reason he isn't still using it, is that Jeff Nova wouldn't risk putting him on TV. DaVE wouldn't have the same hang-ups. Oh I know. Just reminding folks where to find Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg McNeish Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Just making sure my boy gets some love. I've recently started a 21CW game, that may turn into a diary, and Faust is someone that I'm having a lot of fun with. He's the ultimate weaselly heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Fromage Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Just making sure my boy gets some love. I've recently started a 21CW game, that may turn into a diary, and Faust is someone that I'm having a lot of fun with. He's the ultimate weaselly heel. Do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UkWrestleFan Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 I'm thinking the roster could end up being pretty tasty (not that I'm a pixel cannibal or anything) Promotion DaVE Owner Phil Vibert Comissioner/GM Nemesis Managers/Valets Lisa Bowen Phoebe Referee Ryan Holland Commentary/Announcing Phil Vibert Remmington Remus Active Roster Art Reed Acid Chris Caulfield Eric Tyler J.D Morgan Johnny Martin Alex Braun Teddy Powell Adam Matravers Doug Peak Larry Wood Ultimate Phoenix Rod 'The God' Todd Joey Poison Frankie Perez Remmy Skye 'Bulldozer' Brandon Smith 'Dazzling' Dave Diamond Jack Griffith Ash Campbell Gino Montero Grunt Stink Grease Hogg Lead Belly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 While it's unlikely it would ever come back and makes very little sense that they'd do so... I can't help notice that Nathan Coleman and the McWade brothers have been ignored. Those three were all on the DAVE roster when it folded and I see no reason why they'd not sign back up if DAVE made it's much vaunted return from recent closure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UkWrestleFan Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 While it's unlikely it would ever come back and makes very little sense that they'd do so... I can't help notice that Nathan Coleman and the McWade brothers have been ignored. Those three were all on the DAVE roster when it folded and I see no reason why they'd not sign back up if DAVE made it's much vaunted return from recent closure. Ah yeah, the McWade brothers could definitely do with being there to beef up the tag teams. I really want to fire a diary up about DaVE returning but I agree, I'd need a decent backstory to make it believable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eayragt Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Personally I'd replace Travis Century... With Rod 'The God' Todd. Well, in my DAVE game there's no replacing - it's my new team, Travis Century and his "student", Rod 'The God' Todd! Lots of inappropriate religious zealots, that's what we like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Stranger Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 OK, see, looking at that roster, here's the question... DaVE closed down due to the fact that it kept getting raided for talent and that can really cost you money. How does this new DaVE attempt to change that? If it doesn't, are you assuming Phil Vibert to be not that smart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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