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Blah. It's not even that freaky.

 

By the way, I don't understand why there has to be somesort of an annual reminder of it. Eight years isn't even the same as one, five or ten years. Just today looked at the cover of some finnish daily magazine which had the WTC, 9/11 mentioned. Don't really care for that.

 

On the subject, I still think it's just a conspiracy made by the US goverment just for an excuse to start a war on Iraq, who weren't even that involved in that whole thing.. There's so much supporting the argument that it's ridicolous. The government screwed the citizens of united states and they fell for it, big time. Atleast the average american.

 

I'd really like to see someone investigate the thing in the future and find out that hey, some people were actually right and the whole thing was made up, fixed, insise job, arranged by the US goverment.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

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Yeah I got to agree with ACCBiggz on that one.

 

I mean I am all for government conspiracies (nobody is going to convince me that Oswald killed Kennedy by himself or at all for that matter), but that is so far off base. The U.S. government in no way shape or form had anyting to do with those animals flying those planes into the World Trade Center buildings.

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Blah. It's not even that freaky.

 

By the way, I don't understand why there has to be somesort of an annual reminder of it. Eight years isn't even the same as one, five or ten years. Just today looked at the cover of some finnish daily magazine which had the WTC, 9/11 mentioned. Don't really care for that.

 

On the subject, I still think it's just a conspiracy made by the US goverment just for an excuse to start a war on Iraq, who weren't even that involved in that whole thing.. There's so much supporting the argument that it's ridicolous. The government screwed the citizens of united states and they fell for it, big time. Atleast the average american.

 

I'd really like to see someone investigate the thing in the future and find out that hey, some people were actually right and the whole thing was made up, fixed, insise job, arranged by the US goverment.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

 

As one of the few Americans (and a Texan!) who didn't buy into the reasons for going into Iraq, I had to be very, very, very careful about what I said back then. It was clear the reasons were ridiculous (and that Bush was an idiot), but with "patriotism" as high as it was then, people were blind to it and become hostile over the idea of anything else being the truth. There's a difference between supporting your country and blindly following what it tells you.

 

I don't think 9/11 was a big "conspiracy" like some say. I've seen the evidence from both sides, and the crap like "Loose Change" is utterly BS with zero real scientific evidence to back it up. Instead, Bush and his crew just took advantage of the situation when it presented itself. And yeah, I'm no fan of Saddam Hussein, but there's nothing that makes him any worse than any of the other maniacal dictators out there we didn't kick the crap out of. I knew it'd be a waste of lives from all parties involved, that there were probably no WMDs, and that it'd be a huge waste of time and a black mark on Bush's presidency. Turns out I was at least close to right, but if I'd said stuff like that in public seven years ago I'm sure some redneck would've used his right to bear arms on me.

 

But you're right FIN, ALOT of Americans fell for it. It isn't the first time a government has tricked its people into something absurdly stupid, and it won't be the last. Personally, I'd keep an eye on the ginger woman yall currently have in office... they have no souls, ya know.

 

Edit: Just to confirm, I do NOT believe Bush or anyone went out of there way to either allow or help in the attack on 9/11. Their only crime on their parts in terms of the attacks happening was incompetence or possibly arrogance. People knew it could happen, but chose to shrug off such rumblings.

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mmmmm not alot can be said about that man.....lets just say that i don't know many americans who share that view....maybe a few but not many....o and by the way.......that did not lead to a war with iraq but i don't think this is the place for that form of political talk. Would get way to intense....being alot of people from new york here.
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Blah. It's not even that freaky.

 

By the way, I don't understand why there has to be somesort of an annual reminder of it. Eight years isn't even the same as one, five or ten years. Just today looked at the cover of some finnish daily magazine which had the WTC, 9/11 mentioned. Don't really care for that.

 

On the subject, I still think it's just a conspiracy made by the US goverment just for an excuse to start a war on Iraq, who weren't even that involved in that whole thing.. There's so much supporting the argument that it's ridicolous. The government screwed the citizens of united states and they fell for it, big time. Atleast the average american.

 

I'd really like to see someone investigate the thing in the future and find out that hey, some people were actually right and the whole thing was made up, fixed, insise job, arranged by the US goverment.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

 

I know you're not supposed to respond to the trolls, so I'll keep this short, but just in case anybody actually believes that nonsense...http://www.debunking911.com and http://www.ae911truth.info.

 

There's absolutely nothing - and I do literally mean nothing - supporting that argument that's actually based on fact or in reality.

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mmmmm not alot can be said about that man.....lets just say that i don't know many americans who share that view....maybe a few but not many....o and by the way.......that did not lead to a war with iraq but i don't think this is the place for that form of political talk. Would get way to intense....being alot of people from new york here.

 

yes 9/11 had nothing to do with the war in Iraq it brought on the War against Terrorism

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ahh but there were many reasons to it

 

1) Hussain helped fund Bin Laden

 

2) he had camps in Iraq

 

3) if anyone voted bush and didn't expect him to go after Hussain at some point was crazy

 

not saying the war in Iraq wasn't fueled by the terrorism war but to say the American government killed thousands of people to get it to happen is ridiculous

 

also to sit there and say it was a U.S conspiracy is a tard's way to look at it. thousands of people died that day and sent not just American's but everyone into fear. It was a huge deal for a reason, sorry it didn't happen in Finland, maybe next time

 

I guess it was also British and American conspiracy when the went after the transportation system in England?

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Wow is all I have to say, replying to all those messages that came after mine. I honestly can't believe how many (american) people are unwilling to even question the whole thing.

 

Just like a huge majority of people in Europe hate George Bush and love Obama, I bet you anything that most europeans think that the whole 9/11 is a conspiracy like I said it was. There's a huge amount of evidence proving that it was an inside job. What about the other planes? No sight of any parts of the planes, and the one that hit Pentagon? A plane wouldn't cause such small damage to a building, it looks more of a missile hitting. there's a great site for all this, I just can't remember it's name.

 

Open your eyes people. Or watch Fox news some more. :p

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Wow, I think I'll just skip over that comment by FIN.

 

I have no problem with there being reminders on this day. If you're not OK with it, you can simply look elsewhere/turn the dial/change channels/etc.

 

What I don't understand is why it's never referred to as the Islamic attacks on 9/11 or Muslim attacks on 9/11. Pearl Harbor continues to be called "The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor" -- and we know that not all Japanese were involved in the attack.

 

As for the whole war thing:

 

Far too many people focus on the result and not the reason(s). All the intelligence they had (seen by both parties and many other countries) pointed to Iraq having WMDs. With that in mind, you HAVE to go looking for them. It would have been asinine not to. Yes, the information was faulty, but that's the information they had.

 

If you and a friend are walking down the street, and decide not to cross because you see a car coming your way, I would say that's a smart decision. If the car never makes it to where you are, you can't really say "See, we could have crossed" because AT THE TIME you wanted to cross you didn't know the car wouldn't be there. Way too many people play the result, because it's far easier to.

 

I think those "truthers" saw V for Vendetta one too many times.

 

As for the Bush/Obama comment, I'll simply bite my tongue so as to not get this thread closed or get a warning.

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This will be closed before long, so i'll make this quick...

 

1. There was NO connection between Hussein and Bin Laden.

 

2. Politics is filled with hypocritical bullsh*t, look at how friendly the yanks were with Hussein. Weapons of mass destruction? Special intelligence? F*ck, they just kept the receipts.

 

3. If 9/11 was an inside job, SOMETHING would've got out. One person, at least one person, would've said something about it. No way can that many people required keep their mouths shut.

 

4. I don't like it when anniversaries like this are plastered all over the news, but have no problem with people remembering their own losses personally. But none of this "I FEEL THE HURT AS BAD AS ANY FAMILY IN MOURNING 'CAUSE I LOVES MA COUNTRAY" bullsh*t.

 

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oh come on will people please stop ragging on fox news? holy crap. it really isn't fair to rag on a news channel who is actually factually rated higher than CNN.....

 

WHAT THE F*CK? Rated by who!? All news corporations are in the business of profit, so they can't be completely trusted, but Fox news are nothing but actors and such. 'Factually rated higher'? What the f*ck does that mean?

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Wow is all I have to say, replying to all those messages that came after mine. I honestly can't believe how many (american) people are unwilling to even question the whole thing.

 

Just like a huge majority of people in Europe hate George Bush and love Obama, I bet you anything that most europeans think that the whole 9/11 is a conspiracy like I said it was. There's a huge amount of evidence proving that it was an inside job. What about the other planes? No sight of any parts of the planes, and the one that hit Pentagon? A plane wouldn't cause such small damage to a building, it looks more of a missile hitting. there's a great site for all this, I just can't remember it's name.

 

Open your eyes people. Or watch Fox news some more. :p

 

Wow, next you're going to tell me the moon landing was faked because the flag was "flapping."

 

There's an excellent south park episode that covers this, but I'll sum it up:

 

1) Nobody can say what could or couldn't happen in a disaster of this proportion. People found strange oddities in the aftermath of the nuke detonations in Japan. Things like a table undisturbed in an otherwise completely ruined building. Bizarre things that can't really be logically explained. Does that mean OMGS CONSPIRACY? No, it just means that our current model of science is far from complete, especially when you factor in chaos theory.

 

2) I can all but gurantee that all those people touting "facts about 9/11" like what a plan crashing into a skyscraper "should" look like is full of s***. Things like that aren't discussed in common research. What you have is arm-chair "experts" with community college degrees trying to hoist their flag and come off as the world's leading expert in BLAH.

 

Have you actually seen a plan crash into something? The wings completely sheer off and then you have a huge tube with a rocket at the end. Sounds just like a missile to me :D. The wings aren't solid pieces of metal, they're actually very delicate smaller pieces of machinery welded together. Again if you've looked at horrible plane crashes, the wings just completely disintigrate. And yet you have those guys saying "it looks more like a cruise missile" then a plane?

 

Well, I remember actually watching the live footage of a plane crashing into the buildings. I've heard the last phone calls of the heroes who fought on Flight 175 to prevent the plane from hitting anything else. Those brave men and women literally gave their lives to protect this nation, so when people like you sit back and say "oh it's all a conspiracy" not only do you degrade the country that's given so much to both us and the world (remember how you don't speak german ;)) but also to the victims of the attack and the heroes who died trying to save the lives of others.

 

To paraphrase South Park: 1/3 people of the world are idiots. Coincidentally, 1/3 of the people of the world believe that WTC was a big government conspiracy.

 

For the record, I did not support Iraq. I thought the politicians shamelessly capitalized on a national tragedy.

 

Finally, look at it from a different perspective. Think about how many people would have to keep their mouths shut for this to be pulled off. There has been not a single person who said "yeah, it's a big bluff, I helped pull it off."

 

When we couldn't even cover up Bill Clinton's oval office BJ or Nixon's watergate scandal, you really believe we could cover up something this huge and nobody would talk?

 

edit: Rabble rabble rabble troll baiting rabble rabble rabble

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WHAT THE F*CK? Rated by who!? All news corporations are in the business of profit, so they can't be completely trusted, but Fox news are nothing but actors and such. 'Factually rated higher'? What the f*ck does that mean?

 

you can thank neilson media for that. I was actually talking about the television ratings. and yes its true you can't really trust any news media outlet but come on

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I think the problem people have with Fox News is in the name. Even though it says NEWS, the majority of their programming is COMMENTARY. Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, and Rachel Maddow are no closer to news that Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, and Bill O'Reilly.
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I think the problem people have with Fox News is in the name. Even though it says NEWS, the majority of their programming is COMMENTARY. Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, and Rachel Maddow are no closer to news that Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, and Bill O'Reilly.

 

that's just their primetime line-up. they DO share news 3/4's of the day

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And most people will stand by theirs. So this has accomplished what exactly?

 

Altough I'm pretty good in speaking, writing and understanding english, I'm going to have to admit that it would take a lot of excessive use of dictionary to get my point trough. It seems that I have hit a big nerve here :o:rolleyes:

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